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What’s the one common denominator Peo? Trae? OO? Bey? Vit? CC’s improved play? Refs calling games differently now? Team adapting to Quin’s system? Seems there are a number of factors that could be contributing to me.

Yeah, I really think he could do it. Now, not 100%, day-one fully replace Bogi of course. He couldn’t fill in as a starter like Bogi can. But I think he could handle his role for 15 minutes a game his first year coming off the bench as a microwave. He’s a three level scorer, and he wouldn’t lose anything defensively from Bogi’s absence. Dollar for dollar he would be a much better value and we could get decent assets back from trading Bogi, increasing the value of this move. I think Reeves age (26?) is the main factor that will drop his stock on draft day. But I think that will mean his experience will make him easier to plug in first year. He was the only KY player to actually perform in their tournament game, lights and pressure didn’t affect him like it did the young guys.

Rather than focusing on one player who has a small chance of being drafted by the Hawks, I’d like to see what your draft big board would be if you ran the Hawks draft room. What is your strategy, and what are your player rankings? If we get the Sac pick, I want to come out with at least one C, and one PF or wing. If we only have our own pick, I’d pick best player available among those positions. I’m not looking at any PG, and only SGs big enough to split time at SF. Knecht and Holland are the two smallest players on my board at 6’6” each. Here’s my draft board First tier (Taking any of these players if we get a pick in the top 10): Zaccharie Risacher Position: SG/SF Size: 6-foot-8, 204 lbs Alexandre Sarr Position: PF/C Size: 7-foot-1, 216 lbs Donovan Clingan Position: C Size: 7-foot-2, 280 lbs Cody Williams Position: SF/PF Size: 6-foot-8, 190 lbs Kyle Filipowski Position: PF/C Size: 7-foot-0, 248 lbs Matas Buzelis Position: SF Size: 6-foot-8, 209 lbs Second tier (players I’d be happy to walk away from this draft with if any of the top tier players are gone before we pick): Ron Holland Position: SF Size: 6-foot-6, 204 lbs Zach Edey Position: C Size: 7-foot-4, 300 lbs Yves Missi Position: C Size: 7-foot-0, 235 lbs Kel’el Ware Position: C Size: 7-foot-0, 242 lbs Dalton Knecht Position: SG/SF Size: 6-foot-6, 204 lbs Johnny Furphy Position: SF Size: 6-foot-9, 202 lbs Third tier (Break glass in case of emergency. Only if we have the Sac pick and all the above players have already been selected): Tyler Smith Position: PF Size: 6-foot-11, 224 lbs Oso Ighodaro Position: PF/C Size: 6-foot-11, 235 lbs Ryan Dunn Position: PF Size: 6-foot-8, 216 lbs Tristan da Silva Position: SF/PF Size: 6-foot-9, 220 lbs Bobi Klintman Position: SF/PF Size: 6-foot-8, 215 lbs BONUS UDFA target: Antonio Reeves Position: SG Size: 6-foot-6, 195 lbs I’m calling Reeves after my last pick and try to get him to agree on a contract in case he doesn’t get drafted. If he goes undrafted and agrees to sign, I’m immediately trading Bogi. Reeves is a walking bucket and could easily become our next Crawford/Lemon Pepper/Bogi off the bench beginning in his rookie year.

I can’t believe there is so much energy put into this discussion for a guy that has like 1/60 of a chance of getting drafted by the Hawks.

Yeah, I’d love to see that. I’d be happy if we drafted Edey. But I’d be really happy if we got Clingan.

But (and it’s a big butt), you gotta let them go before the rest of the league knows they won’t amount to much. There’s a very small window to make that work.

I believe this to be true, but I also believe he will be off the board by the time the Hawks pick.

If the games were meaningless, they wouldn’t keep score. Suckers.

Sorry, but I just disagree. They’re both bad things to do that deserve punishment, but one is worse than the other. One altered the outcome of a game. Pete Rose gambled and was rightfully punished. But he didn’t alter games that we know of, & there is still a large contingency of people who believe he should be allowed back in MLB. Tim Donaghy altered NBA game outcomes, and no one wants him to be a part of the NBA at all.

I mean I guess that’s what I was thinking, but that doesn’t seem to coincide with Supes answers to the issues raised with Edey. I will say that Edey, like all draft prospects, isn’t a finished product so it isn’t fair to compare his clips from college to Gobert after he’s been in the league for years. I don’t think he’s MVP caliber like Supes, but I do think he’ll be a positive contributor. Floor of 15 min/game player by year two, ceiling of a contributing starter. I won’t be mad if the Hawks draft him, but I will be mad if they don’t draft any big (Missi, Clingan, Ware, Filip…).

Technically that’s different. Ohtani made bets which is bad, but as of right now we have no idea if he bet on baseball. Or the fact that he owed millions to a bookie would suggest he did not take advantage on his bets with insider info or purposely swaying the outcomes. But Porter purposely altered his play on the court to hit expected (or unexpected?) betting outcomes, likely getting paid by someone to purposely tank. His actions more directly undermined the integrity of the game.

A boilermaker is when you drop a shot glass full of whisky into a full glass of beer. Chug and enjoy.

@NBASupes can you explain what you mean by fluidity? It’s such a big part of your argument and I’m not certain I understand what you’re trying to express.

Trae not having full range of his pinky may seem insignificant until you realize he has more basketball ability in that pinky than nearly 99% of the rest of the world.

I don’t think it will. He’ll be punished and the NBA will be like, “See, we caught it and dealt with it. The system works!” They will have no problem throwing a two-bit two way player under the bus.

They don’t call them The Pickle Bros for nothing!

Sorry to be that guy. I hate myself.

Bob Sura: I’m the biggest killer to any Hawks tanking efforts in the history of the team! 2023-24 Hawks: Hold my beer.

If Hawks get a lucky bounce of the ping pong balls and end up with a top 5 pick, who would y’all want? What are the top five of your draft board for the Hawks? Rissacher and Sarr clearly up there. IHDK who 3-5. Clingan, Buzelis, and Holland or Cody Williams?

Keep: Trae and JJ Trade: DJM and Bogi. Both would bring back the most value. I’m not buying Bogi to stay healthy so I’m selling high. Rest: Ideally we would trade CC, but his only value is as an expiring deal. I doubt we would get anything back worthwhile or worse would have to give up more to get rid of his contract. We would probably just have to pay him to be a backup for a year and let him walk. If he bounces back at all next season, trade him in January for some second round picks. I don’t trust Hunter to be healthy either, but he is worth more to us than whatever we could get back in a trade. I like AJ, OO, MoG, Kobe, Bruno and would like to keep, but they could be available to trade if something good comes up or to include in a package. Maybe Vit too, I like his size. Let Bey walk. Sadly given how his season ended, but I didn’t want to keep him even before his injury. The rest can be let go.

If just in the East, then I have him at about 9. Butler Tatum DeRozan Middleton Bridges Wagner Barnes Anunoby Hunter

I’m furiously trying to finish my bunker so I can take cover when the Hawks don’t draft Edey and the ensuing bomb goes off.

Mitchell and Reeves were their upperclassmen this year and were the only ones who showed up to play. Wouldn’t be surprised if Bradshaw, Big Z, and even Reed return for a second year. SMDH.