TheFuzz

13 minutes ago, Plainview1981 said:

This is always a simplistic and silly take.

I've seen mediocre to mid-level from this team several times before. What's exciting about it?

There's nothing special about winning 45-50 games and getting thrown out in the first or second round. This franchise isn't trying to win a title. It's the same franchise with the same kind of management it has always had. Ressler is business as usual, management is boneheaded, and the roster is extremely flawed. Same shit, different year.

Winning 50 games means our assets are more valuable and we're a more attractive destination. I think the roster is "flawed" to some degree but it's more lack of top level talent than lack of versatility unless JJ/OO/Griffin pops.

Why do you feel management is boneheaded? I've been impressed with Fields

6 hours ago, Jody23 said:

I think the Hawks will be doing another Collins or Huerter style move before the beginning of next season.  If you keep showing everybody that you'll do just about anything to avoid paying the tax, then teams will continue to low ball you in trade discussions because they know you're desperate to get off committed money.

As is I think Bey is probably the casualty unless we're good enough to go into the tax. Without Bey, we're about this same spot next year.

Side note: I think it'll take us a minute to hit our stride, but around December I'm expecting some quality bball.

I agree that we're the type of team built for the regular season and maybe not the playoffs. I'd be keeping a very close eye on the Ingram situation or a comparable upgrade at wing.

Let's put this away in the 4th folks

We're playing the right brand of ball. This passing is and defense is electric! Imagine after we have more than 1 off-season!

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

Clearly but he doesn't seem to want that to be his role, which is what the issue in TOR is.  IIUC 

We've seen Snyder change up some folks games already, maybe he can work his magic with OG. Hell, maybe he can work it with Hunter and it's moot.

As for some other folks to keep an eye on due to their teams cap situation: Brandon Ingram, Jaden McDaniels. Either would be very nice.

10 hours ago, kg01 said:

Ok, now explain how to account for the fact that he wants a bigger role in the offense.  Go ... 

I hesitate here, too, but maybe in a Snyder motion offense he can get the touches he wants. I think he's a play finisher rather than playmaker though

For OG? Sure. Getting OG won't be easy though. He is a free agent next year, so dealing Hunter/Capela for quality expiring (Hield is interesting) I could get behind.

I think there's a reasonable chance JJ+OO is a very high level 4/5 combo as soon as this year if they play to their defensive potential. Offensively they're very strong, defensively they've got all the tools

Don't know if this has been said yet, but I think CC is professional enough to come off the bench IF OO earns it (I'm not totally convinced he has tbh, his defense needs to be good). CC is cheap enough in the new cap to be a bench player and good enough we shouldn't just dump him. 

On 10/15/2023 at 2:13 PM, theheroatl said:

 

ultimately I want to see a JJ-OO-Bogi-DJ-Trae line up more often.

Think this is our best lineup potentially. Either CC or OO at center

7 minutes ago, terrell said:

AJ shit aint even close.... Geez

Everything else looks fine from him. Hopefully it's just a slump but it looks pretty bad

Everybody but AJ has impressed this preseason imo. Murray struggling to dribble though 

Just now, AtLaS said:

JJ such a good passer.  Really sees the floor, that is pretty rare.

He's looked pretty good overall. Needs to hit his spot up 3s, but active on D with some good passing.

Quick thoughts:

1. Only a couple of shots I didn't like (Trae iso and Murray midranger)

2. Better ball movement

3. BIG believer in Bufkin

4. Griffin missed some bunnies but looked goodb I thought

5. Okongwu three looked good, less impressed by his defense 

6. Trae was a little sloppy but overall good

7. Love all the 3s!

8 hours ago, sturt said:

 

The concern falls apart once we dismiss ignorant people as being irrelevant.

Same idea, said the other way, the concern only exists because we give ignorant people some status as being relevant.

 

This is ironically pretty ignorant @sturt. @AHF is being quite lenient. As @JeffS17 said it ain't up to you and it doesn't take a high school English essay to get the point.

Picked AJ because I see some star upside there. Not sure JJ has that due to less scoring ability, HOWEVER I'm very high on JJ as a super role player. Aaron Gordon was a good comp above, or Batum maybe.

1 minute ago, SalvorMallow said:

@Sothron @NBASupes Do you know if DJM committed to signing an extension during the trade discussions (for DJM from the Spurs) or was this decided after the season? It seems reasonable that they had this commitment before which is why they gave such a big haul for him.

Honestly, I'd imagine it happened this offseason after seeing what some other players were getting. Based off this offseason I'd be surprised if he got the full $40M next year.

3 minutes ago, NekiEcko said:

So that is the reason why they held up the Collins trade for or it was something else but regardless it was a master play by the FO (It still might not happen but if it does, I be happy about it)

@TheFuzz

That would be a negative there, because of Siakam does, he will get a better deal since he is good wing player that is very good in defense. 

On the money front? You're probably right but KAT's already at $50M a year.

Just now, NBASupes said:

With Siakam, we was still gonna have Capela but Toronto wanted Okongwu and that was a fk no for Atlanta. Griffin and Okongwu have been major stopping points for Atlanta. Those two Atlanta wants to keep long term. JJ as well but more open on him than JJ or OO. 

Think I agree with the Hawks on this one. I like all 4 of our young 1st round picks tbh and would rather deal our future picks for an upgrade somewhere.

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Me KAT but that's due to the what we would lose in a trade than anything. I also think KAT is a better fit but Siakam is clearly the better player 

KAT's shooting vs Siakam's defense. I think in the playoffs I like Siakam+Okongwu's 2 way ability on the front line over Towns+Okongwu. I also think there's a chance Siakam ends up commanding less money than KAT...

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

I've been thru my share of players I didn't want, but once you put on the 'Hawks' - I'm rooting for success. 

Didn't want Dwight

Didn't want Capela

! Capela has become one of my fave Hawks of recent vintage. Dude is a class act and a baller!

Question is: would you rather have Siakam or Towns? I think I lean Siakam honestly but it's close.

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

15 Guaranteed contracts:
PG: Trae Young, Kobe Bufkin, TyTy Washington
SG: Dejounte Murray, Bogdan Bogdanovich, Garrison Mathews
SF: DeAndre Hunter, AJ Griffin. Mouhamed Gueye
PF: Jalen Johnson, Saddiq Bey, Rudy Gay
C - Clint Capela, Onyeka Okongwu, Usman Garuba

3 Unguaranteed contracts:
PG: Vit Krejci
SG: Tyrese Martin
SF:
PF:
C - Bruno Fernando

2 Two-Way Contracts:
PG: Trent Forrest
SG: Seth Lundy
SF:
PF:  Miles Norris
C - 

Total Salaries - $161,726,997  (*$3.5 million under the Luxury Tax)

I feel like Bey starts over JJ.