DS17Fanboy

Well deserved. But what is this? Is it along the lines of the ASG?

I never really got why the Hawks where not "a big market". The other night I was in Holland doing some drinking in bars with an old friend and I told him about watching allot of b-ball lately and how the Hawks team I follow are playing a cinderella-season also with this German kid, playing team basketball, not being able to attract superstars etc. The friend of mine also didnt get why the Hawks where not a big market and he always was a fan of the Mutombo, Blaylock, Smith Hawks. I think internationally the Hawks always had this high mid-end apeal. At least for all us 90's kids.

lolwut? Did you even watch the game? Dennis had a +/- of 10. The only thing keeping Minnessota in the game was Mo Williams scoring(against Teague), and Young his extraordinary efficiency in the assigned role he got. And Dennis his D was off the charts... When people complain about the "straying from our offense" or that "Dennis is playing to much hero-ball", people need to understand that coach Bud wants him to. Of course you dont get the Teague-Korver-Carrol-Milsapp-Horford offense, with Dennis and maybe one or two of the starting line-up. But that second unit is off the charts D, and Dennis his drives go great with the Antić and Scott type of games they have.

The media-lackey hipster guys are prolly reading this forum allot these days, so maybe I had something to with that term as I called the hawks "playing like stoic juggernauts" a week or two back.

The father of a buddy of mine back in 1992 placed a 100 Gulders bet(Dutch currency back then), on Denmark winning the European Championship Soccer. Denmark was only allowed to play the tournament because Yugoslavia was going trough its tragic turmoils and was disqualified from the tournament, so Denmark was allowed to take their place. Denmark wont it all, and that dad was 4500 Gulders richer. They won it because of playing like a team and because they had nothing to loose and feared nothing on the pitch. I really hope like so one said earlier that the hawks dont let the hype get to them. They really can take it all when they keep on doing what their doing.

I feel blessed as a sportsfan to have jumped on the Hawks bandwagon due to the Schröder draft. Not only because the team is succesful. Its much more that I have seen the development going from day one with Bud at the helm. A development that could not be more interresting to watch. This also comes at a time where my soccer club is relegated to the second division and Im starting to forget all about watching them(spescially after last nights 3-0 loss). And at a time where Dallas is kinda gay and frustrating to watch. Thx Hawks for being a highlight in my sportfanship.

Also notice how often announcers now praise Schröder, mainly for there being no drop-off in the pressure department.

The Hawks style of basketball should actually be viewed as a positive the longer the season progresses. For one the team plays a consistent type of D, where outside of a few positions, an injured player wouldnt mean a big drop-off. And that being said, the Hawks bench has been growing real deep this year and really knowing what roles to play. Also with this team oriented basketball its really like the individuals fear less. You can see that the Hawks have been outplayed quite some early quarters, but are the best 4th quarter team(still, I think). This shows they dont panic and give up, and are just like a stoic juggernaut continuing their game. That could also translate into play-off clutch, which is indeed always a story of its own.

I think The Big 7, Shell and BP are some srsly evil companies who have gotten enough political leaway and straight enforcement all across the globe to maximize their profits with some srsly negative direct and indirect outcomes for billions of people across the world. Surely their profits will rise again, once the politics with Putin is done. Just imagine all the Gazprom riches and market-consolidation being able the smear the engines of the trickle-down system for the next couple of years further.

You are making me a happy German camper saying all these great things about my biggest B-ball idol vs Kobe Bryant and I 100% agree with what your saying. I think you just misunderstood me. Again, Im speaking against this superstar culture thats more about selling all kinds of stuff(not just jerseys, people need their stars in this pop-culture, and the NBA is primarily about making money for all sorts of commercial interests in and outside the NBA and need to speak to the lowest common denominator consumer primarily). Im arguing from a wanting the Hawks to succeed with what they got POV, which needed to break away from this superstar-culture and create a high BBIQ culture. "Impact on the floor" doesnt make you a superstar. There is truckloads of impactful players who are no stars. And many stars have a bad impact on the court. Stats and spectacel make you a superstar. Every other team has a superstar stat-wise, but every year you see only one team taking it all, and they all have in common playing top-notch team basketball from top to bottom on a consistent basis. The hawks have that main ingredient, which imo is not a superstar, but top-notch team basketball from top to bottom on a consistent basis...even on the championship-teams having "superstars", "semi-superstars", or HOF'ers long passed their prime they wouldnt have gotten all the way in this 500 best B-Ball players league without playing top-notch team basketball from top to bottom on a consistent basis.

Wo cares about Al being a superstar or not when you have Al being all about making this team a title-contender? I srsly dont get it. Also look at what one game playing PF did for Al his stats. Many on this board need to wake up and smell the coffee and do away with their ESPN court gossip. The Atlanta Hawks are in the process of solidifying a new basketball culture prolly never seen before in Atlanta. This requires different things from players than in the past and Al is the Spiritus Rector on the court of that culture. A culture in the process of breaking W/L records.

I use the term "superstar" as I think what it truly means, not as an ultimate measure of how good a player is, which is a term thrown around which is for a huge dosis just media hype to sell stuff and get average people interested. Kobe is that kind of guy, Dirk not. Dirk is other things. Similar to Atlanta not being hyped, but being other things....

Why not "the Germany winning last worldcup of this NBA"...Atletico never wins anything, and the German squad doesnt have any real superstars either, and did well on many ocassions in the worldcups previously with no-name players but just by being a well oiled machine from top to bottom and where one superstar guy injured or not feeling it doesnt mean the end of the world.

OK I had a hard time saying that, but he's not on that Lebron, MJ, Kobe level "superstar" wise. A gamechanging franchise player he is. One perhaps more valuable than a "superstar". A guy that also posseses lots of fundamentals and makes other players better(reason why most his All-star apearences where due to the NBA coaches pick). I see him a notch beneath Tim Duncan, as Duncan won more and had better stats. In other words: a big portion of what made him great, that wasnt so much nice stats, or just shooting in everyones face, was about how he was able to set picks, pass out of double-teams, and somehow having great defensive effeciency despite failing the eye-test. Lots of that reminds me of the Hawks, not of "superstars", like Melo, Kobe, or Dwight Howard.

Bud his facial expression sometimes worries me, as if he's about to have a stroke. But thats prolly his basketball-brain going full tilt. The good thing is that he has that facial expression allot.

What I always noticed from watching the big soccer tournaments like the worldcup or championsleague, that its rarely the team with the most media-hyped stars that win the title, but the team playing the best team ball, from defense to offense, on a consistent basis. Well, that...and a deep bench, which again gets you that consistency. I think its not much different in the NBA. Look at the past title holders. Spurs goes without saying. Some might say Duncan is a superstar, but he's long passed his prime. Miami had a great perimeter D and an offensive system cut out for Lebron, but look what he can do in a Cleveland situation. Yeah he's still a "superstar", but far away from winning a title with that team. Dallas also was just a band of nice veterans around Nowitzki, a semi-superstar. A franchise that had some seasons assembling some great star-players previously around Nowitzki, but it only started klicking in the play-offs once Carlisle got on board and did with allot less than Donnie Nelson in 2003 for instance. And before that Detroit. OK LA...but they had a force of nature in Shaq, and they had Phil Jackson and his system working with allot of talented non-superstars along Kobe. Atalanta, IMO seems to have gathered the most important ingredient when it comes to going all the way. The game against GS will be an interesting one to watch. I actually think Dennis could be a pain in the ass of Curry. Dennis has his problems with bigger PG's like Lowry, but does well against smaller scoring PG's. Maybe bud pulls a rabbit out of his hat for GS and lets Dennis face up against Curry.

No gramma-nazi here... I love when people try...and if they fail, its also funny on top of that. I just thought to point out, how so far away, is often so close at home and to let you'll know a (imo)fun fact. Anyway, Im suprised I didnt make the OP list, seeing me advocating for Lance Stephenson, Greg Monroe, and sniffing at Korvers defence(wow). Nvm trading Teague and Millsap for injured Paul George. This season though, as it is going, no one saw ahead.

^ I've just wanted to chime in on an unrelated note, seeing as the above poster is from "Brunswick" and I have heard lots of game-announcers etc expressing troubles with pronouncing(or making fun of the sounding of) the city where Dennis comes from, Braunschweig. Well, that city even got its own name in English, namely "Brunswick". Apparently there is also one in Georgia. So all of you can relax, and just say Dennis is a talented 1 year PG, from Brunswick, Germany. (Its to do with Lower-Saxony having been an allie of the Hannoverian-Georgian English crown and sending lots of regiments to fight in the war of independence for the English, they where named like Brunswick Regiment a.o. Its a small world)

Why not write a contract with him with a no 3's clause. If its not allowed, it should be. Could save a man's career. The Mavs boards actually overall would like the signing seeing the Rondo connection, the rim-protection, them low on bench bigs, and the belief that Carlysle can mold difficult characters into something(Deshawn Stevenson, Ron Artest, Monta Ellis etc). But yeah, even they know about the 3's. That dude...

Again. People need to not forget he's running his lungs out and putting major focus on D on these two starting games and did well distributing the ball. Which where likely the tasks he got from coach bud and which where the keys to winning both these games against top-NBA teams. Maybe if he had 5 steals last night it would have kept some opportunism down. Maybe rather look at what Beverly and Harden did last night...9 out of 30 won that game and half of that was on Beverly. Oh, and what did Kyrie Irving do the other night?

Key to last nights game was the 5-16 by James Harden, and that was brilliantly put together by Carrol overplaying him and mostly Dennis comming out to help when Harden gets trough. That being said, Patrick Beverly(also a good defender on Dennis btw) was off trough most of the game(5-14, 3 TO's on 3 Assists), except two 3's at the start of the game comming due to such Dennis help defense situations leaving him to open. But after that it was only one 3 at the stretch and one lay-up when it didnt matter. So he ironed out that quickly and succesfully. Thats what wins games against opponents like these. That wins play-off games. Nice personal stats are secondary really...

In all fairness, that guard had both Brendan wright and Tyson Chandler hanging around. Combining for 3.3 blocks per game.

Another thing not mentioned about Schröder this game, is that he held "superstar allstar on the box-cover of NBA 2K14" Kyrie Irving to 9 points and 6 assists, while having 1/3 more game-time vs Dennis' 10 and 10 on 22 min. It was great seeing him trying with screens and dribbles, not getting what he wanted, but being a smart and good enough PG to pass up the ball. However killing momentum, ending up late in the clock etc. That was a real game-changer of the Cleveland game early on, when all the Cleveland lead was, was just a few minutes run. The Hawks where locked in from the get-go, no comparing to what happened last time with Cleveland around. Also, great to see Horfords jump-hooks falling consistently finally. And now we beat both Chicago and Cleveland. Surely a big ego-boost for this Hawks team. Anything can happen this year... Im love watching these Hawks grow up.

One imo very positive thing of last nights game, is that Bazemore seems to have found an effective rhythm in his very physical and bravehearted game. I like Mack as a player and as a PG, but idealy not on the 2 position. Would love to see more of Bazemore comming games.

I think Evan Turner is kind of dumb.