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Holy hell, Millsap is heads and shoulders above Josh Smith. What stats are you looking at? Take a look at efficiency stats like +/-, Net Rating, True Shooting %, VORP, PER, WS/48, etc., Millsap absolutely destroys Josh Smith because he is 10x the player. You must be looking at misleading counting stats. Look at the stats that actually tell you how much a player helped his team when he played and Josh Smith can't hold Millsap's jock strap.

It's absurd how overrated Demarre has gotten on this board. People are acting like he was Kawhi Leonard. Yes, his loss will hurt but we have players who can do a very good job at trying to replace his production. The drop off isn't going to be huge. And our improvements with size (Tiago) more than makes up for Carroll's loss.

This thread really makes me wonder how many of our fans started following the Hawks last year. People acting like this was some horrible move? WTF? This trade was easily the best move of our offseason, an absolute heist. Sure, it helped the Spurs immensely but that doesn't mean it didn't help us out just as much. We now have so much flexibility with our rotations. Tiago is a legit center and when he played, the Spurs allowed ten less points per game. This is a HUGE pickup.

Why do so many people on here think Thabo can't be a starter? He has been a starter more than half his career. I am guessing people who doubt he can play regular minutes don't know much about his history. Just because he was a backup on our squad last year doesn't mean he can't be a starter for us this year. It isn't as if Thabo is some career journeyman. He was a very high first round draft pick and a starter for five straight years before coming to the Hawks in 2014. He had a better +/- than Demarre all season. His offensive + defensive efficiency also better Demarre's. All the PER stats favor Thabo over Demarre during the past season. Why can't he be a starter for us? There is absolutely no reason why he can't be. I think he could flourish as our starting SF.

Why are you so positive that Thabo would turn into some pumpkin if he played more minutes? Where is any support for that thinking? I've not seen any evidence to tell me that Thabo will turn into crap if he plays 5 or 6 more minutes a game than he was last year. Why would that happen?

Thabo will not be a huge downgrade from Carroll and the metrics bare that out. Actually, when combining their offensive and defensive efficiency scores last year, Thabo was actually BETTER than Demarre. Demarre is a better scorer for sure, but I think Thabo's defense was always better than Carroll's. I just hope Thabo can stay healthy all season to get the minutes we need to get out of him.

i can't believe any Hawk fan would want Josh Smith back. He definitely cost the Hawks more wins then losses during his tenure here. Very selfish player who hogged the ball and chucked horrible selfish shot after selfish shot, trying to be a hero every night. He cost the Hawks so many damned games.

Yeah, I am perfectly fine with Thabo getting Demarre's full time minutes. We need another body though to take Thabo'd backup minutes.

A solid A. Tiago Is an upgrade for our team over Demarre, though they obviously play different positions. Tiago was a much bigger need for us, a true defensive minded center. I think we are going to see Horford playing PF, Sap SF and Tiago C quite a bit this year. I don't think Bud brought Tiago in as only a backup rotational guy...Tiago is more talented than that role. I believe in the Hawks system and think Hardaway can flourish with this team. And I am super pumped that Tavares will be a Hawk and not a lost Euro player. I don't think we will see him much this season but we now know that he will be a big part of this Franchise going forward. Great offseason so far. I expect us to trade for one last piece to replace Demarre. If not, Thabo will not be much of a downgrade from Demarre given similar minutes. I loved Carroll but he simply is NOT worth $15M a year...that is a huge overpayment.

The bottom line is that this move means that Bud and company weren't impressed with the guys left on the board by the 15th pick. If Booker, Winslows, etc. were still available when we picked we would not have traded out.

We haven't been going over the cap in any of the last few years afaik so this is great news.

I would prefer the group with actual past basketball players like Grant Hill or Dominique to be the buyers, not some nameless corporation who wants the Hawks as an asset item on their balance sheet.

Yeah, it's very suspicious how the lottery is done in private still. Why can't the public see the balls drawn live? It makes no sense unless they still want the power to make the balls go to whoever they want.

I think it is going to be Neal as well.

Okafor then Russell.

I think we make some kind of move. I don't think we make the Payne trade right before the trade deadline if we didn't plan to make some sort of move. Otherwise, why wouldn't we wait to see if Payne develops a bit more before trading him?

I Am not giving away our first round pick this year which could have a 25% chance of being a top three pick and could be a guaranteed top 8 pick if the lottery doesn't go our way. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Really? Every team missed on Gobert. That is why he was drafted so late. You can't put this as some black mark on Ferry when this kid came out of nowhere. That's absurd.

It's exciting that he wants to train with Korver in the offseason. The kid is such drive to be the best. He could turn out to be a true superstar.

Does Pop really GM the Spurs too, fully? If so, maybe I am not against Bud being both GM and coach as I once thought. I naturally assumed that being a coach and being a GM are such time intensive roles that no person could take the part of both and have enough time and energy to fulfill both roles as well as they should be filled. How long has Pop acted as the defacto GM for?

Ferry has been with us basically two seasons so far (this is only his third season with the hawks) and inherited a horribly flawed team and organization. It takes time to build a winner and look where we are now.

The fact that all of the Hawk players themselves want Ferry back should tell you how good of a job the man did. I am going to listen to the opinion of actual players like Horford and Korver, who have openly campaigned to have Ferry back, then some haters on a message board. The results speak for themselves. A team does not have a season like we are having by accident. And it isn't as if we can't figure out how we got here. We know exactly the moves that put this team together: Ferry hired Bud Ferry jettisoned Joe Johnson's ridiculous contract for great value Ferry jettisoned the garbage that is Josh Smith Ferry jettisoned Marvin Williams, another underachiever getting overpaid Ferry signed very underrated players for great value contracts (Millsap, Demarre Caroll, Thabo, Bazemore, Pero) Ferry extended the good players the Hawks had for good value contracts (Horford, Korver, Teague) Ferry drafted good value players, late in 1st round or in the 2nd (Schröder, Mack, Muscala, Mike Scott) And because of the very smart swap built into the Joe Johnson trade, we will probably end up with at least a top 8 or 9 pick in this year's draft. Those are all great moves and are why we are where we are. How could anyone think this season is some accidental fluke? Danny Ferry is a great GM and we would be much worse off if he left.

Anyone discounting what Ferry has done is crazy. The Joe Johnson trade alone was such genius. It really allowed us to move forward and has completely hamstrung the Nets. He also got rid of Josh Smith. I will always be a fan of his just for those two moves.

We better keep Ferry. I am sure Bud would do well as the GM too but that is too much work for one man. I want Bud only focusing on coaching with occasional input when we draft or sign/trade players. If Ferry leaves I am going to be one mad Hawks fan.

Sorry didn't realize there were rules in place. Say no more. :)