Marvin game breakdown: 1/20 @ Charlotte

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1ST QUARTER

11:16 - Defensive rebound

11:00 - Posts up Wallace but is doubled and loses the ball. Hawks regain possession but doesn't score.

9:20 - Marvin goes hard to the hole after receiving a pass from Smoove. his dunk attempt is blocked by Okafor.

7:25 - Misses a 20 foot jumper. Shot contested by Carroll.

6:39 - Bad bass to Ivey that almost resulted in a turnover. Ball was deflected out of bounds.

6:38 - Chill replaces Marvin. Score: 7 - 6 Bobcats. +/- floor time for Marvin and Hawks: -1

5:32 - Marvin returns to game. Score: 12 - 6 Bobcats. +/- with Marvin out of the game: -5

5:01 - Learning from Friday night, Marvin doesn't go for Okafor's pump fake and stays on the floor. He keeps his hands straight vertical and makes Emeka take a tough shot, which he makes anyway.

4:31 - Marvin picks up a loose ball that ZaZa loses. He misses a lay-up because he is fouled. Knocks down 2 FTs

3:37 - He and Smoove do a poor job handling the pick and roll, wich leads to an easy Voskhul lay-up.

3:22 - Marvin immeadiately makes up for his defensive mistake by executing a screen and roll involving JJ and ZaZa, in which ZaZa finds him for an emphatic dunk.

2:15 - Marvin and Shelden cut off a driving Derek Anderson, who loses the ball. Marvin gets the ball and starts a fast break. He passes to JJ, who is able to get the ball back to marvin for an easy 4 foot teardrop shot. (( 2X positive plays for the good defensive play and initiating the fast break and finishing the break ))

:33.8 - Marvin overplays on a steal, which lets Wallace drive to the hole, draw a foul, and get to the line. Bad decision to go for a steal in that situation

:16 - Marvin's tip offensive rebound doesn't go in the hole.

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2ND QUARTER

11:20 - Marvin drives to the hole, but his shot is blocked by Okafor.

10:15 - Plays good defense on Morrison, which forces him to miss a tough 15 footer.

9:49 - Good help defense to keep Wallace from making a lay-up.

9:28 - Ivey comes in for Marvin. Score: 28 - 22 Bobcats. +/- floor time for Marvin and Hawks: even.

6:37 - Marvin returns to game. Score: 36 - 24 Bobcats. +/- floor time with Marvin out of the game: -6.

3:13 - Marvin receives ball on the low block with Carroll on him. he makes a quick and decisive move to the right and hits a 4 foot baby hook/push shot.

2:01 - Marvin receives a pass just inside the 3-point line. He hesitates just a little to set his feet and drains a 22 foot shot.

1:26 - Makes an easy lay-up off of a pass from JJ. ( this could be a positive play, but the lay-up was easy, making it more of a routine play. Now if he'd missed the lay-up, it would've definitely have been a negative play. )

:36.6 - Defensive rebound.

End of half score: Bobcats 48 - 43. +/- floor time for Marvin and Hawks: +7

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3RD QUARTER

9:55 - Marvin hits an 18 foot jumper to cut the lead to 2. He was set to shoot the ball when he received the pass.

9:17 - Strong offensive rebound lay-up attempt blocked by Okafor. Hawks regained possession after Lo Wright picked up the loose ball.

8:53 - Tries to front Wallace on the post, but loses sight and feel of where Wallace is. Wallace receives a lob over Marvin's head and gets an easy lay-up.

8:33 - Finds Lo Wright at the FT line, who makes a wide open 15 footer. Assist to Marvin.

6:43 - Tip offensive rebound doesn't go in the hole.

4:55 - Thompson in for Marvin. Score; 61 - 57 Bobcats. +/- floor time for Marvin and Hawks: +1

:42.2 - Marvin returns. Score: 75 - 64 Bobcats. +/- floor time with Marvin out of the game: - 7

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4TH QUARTER

10:12 - Flashed down low to possibly help Batista on Okafor if he received the pass. Unfortunately, McGinnis sees this and passes the ball to Morrison, who is completely set to let a 3-pointer fly. Marvin couldn't rotate back to Morrison in time and A.M. knocks down the 3.

9:47 - Misses a 19 footer. Decent shot.

8:22 - Hits an open 20 footer after Chill drives to the hole and draws 3 people to him. Marvin's feet were set and he knocks down the jumper with ease.

8:01 - Gives a semi-hard foul to Wallace, who would've had an easy lay-up.

6:43 - Hits another 20 footer after receiving a handoff from Batista near the top of the key.

5:19 - Misses a 21 foot jumper.

4:59 - Wallace makes a driving lay-up over Marvin. Marvin was about 1/4 step behind Wallace, but was right there to contest the lay-up.

3:39 - Marvin steals a pass by Morrison. He then dribbles behind his back to elude McGinnis to start the fast break, and dishes to Ivey, who makes a tough lay-up. (( gotta give him 2X positive marks here, for making the steal, initiating the fast break, and making the pass to Ivey who finished the break ))

Final score: 104 - 85 Bobcats. +/- floor time for Marvin and Hawks: -8.

OVERALL GRADE: B+ . . . This may have been Marvin's best game of the year, from an offensive standpoint. He got lost a few times on defense, but even there, the man he was guarding didn't score a lot. Good all-around game from him.

Number of positive plays: 12

Number of negative plays: 4

This is more of the ratio he needs to be at every game. Hopefully, he can have games like this in the future, when the rest of the team also plays well.

Plus/minus floor time with Marvin in game: -1

Plus/minus floor time with Marvin out of game: -18

One GLARING thing I noticed in reviewing the tape, is that the team seemed to collapse every time Marvin left the game. His length obviously bothers small forwards and 2-guards, so they don't try to beat him off the dribble much. And it's hard for them to shoot over him when he's right on him. Smoove going out of the game killed this team for the sheer fact that Ivey ended up on Morrison a few times, which was a total mismatch. And Chill had a little trouble with the athleticism of Wallace.

But dang, Marvin played 40 minutes in that game. So in the 8 minutes that Marvin didn't play, the Hawks got outscored by 18 points? Incredible. That's where you see not having a scorer like Lue in the game with that 2nd unit, really rears its ugly head.

In the end, I think ZaZa's play is what really did in that team, because he was the one that should've been able to provide some decent scoring off the bench. After Lo picked up that 5th foul, we really needed him to step in and provide SOMETHING to the game.

If he plays his normal offensive game, that would've offset some of the bonehead plays he made on defense. But because we got nothing from him offensively, he was a complete liability, and it hurt the Hawks tremendously.

[thesheedera]

I literally JUST responded to the other post. This is good stuff, maybe you should keep them on a single thread so we can go back nd reference his progress or lack of it) throughout the season. Keep all the Marv love and hate in the same place?

Thanks for doing this.

[Popeye]

Good job man, if only we won these games DAMN!

[Nicholasp27]

so the +/- for marvin was +17 since that was the difference from when he was in the game vs on the bench...

[TheNorthCydeRises]

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I literally JUST responded to the other post. This is good stuff, maybe you should keep them on a single thread so we can go back nd reference his progress or lack of it) throughout the season. Keep all the Marv love and hate in the same place?

Thanks for doing this.

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I thought about doing that. So because you requested it, I'll keep it on one thread starting now.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

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so the +/- for marvin was +17 since that was the difference from when he was in the game vs on the bench...

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No . . his floor time +/- was -1.

I guess if you compare it to the bench it was +17, but individual plus/minus stats usually pretain to what both teams score while you're in the game. But it just shows you how horrible the Hawks were when Marvin went out of the game, for whatever reason.

[jerrywest]

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so the +/- for marvin was +17 since that was the difference from when he was in the game vs on the bench...

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No . . his floor time +/- was -1.

I guess if you compare it to the bench it was +17, but individual plus/minus stats usually pretain to what both teams score while you're in the game. But it just shows you how horrible the Hawks were when Marvin went out of the game, for whatever reason.

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Thanks again Northcyde.

Well, to compare it fairly you have to take things at a per minute basis also. Take all +/- to 48 minutes. Its hard to believe that they went -18 in 8 minutes just because of one player.

Also, if you are in a bad team your +/- will always be -. To know how important you are to the team you need to see the diff of when you were in and when you were out.

[bumpyphish1]

so this is where you post the good stuff, Northcyde. Now I see what is happening. ESPN gets your garbage.

[Gray Mule]

Thanks for all this good stuff!

I know there was a lot of work on your part to get this

to us here on Hawksquawk.

Good job!

Again, thanks.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1ST QUARTER

11:09 - Defensive rebound

9:58 - Defensive rebound

9:51 - hits a 19 foot jumper. Actually traveled on the play, but it wasn't called.

6:13 - Hits a 21 foot jumper. Great looking shot

5:55 - Wallace scores over Marvin. Big Ben was just too strong for him.

4:36 - Hits a 19 footer. Good pass from JJ to get him the good look.

3:42 - Hits 20 foot jumper. Shelden finds him open after the Hawks swing the ball around.

1:57 - Misses 20 foot jumper. Was open but the shot hit the front rim.

1:35 - Comes off a JJ screen and flashes baseline in the paint. Shelden finds him and Marvin makes an easy lay-up

1:14 - Marvin goes out of game . . . Score: 25 - 20 Bulls . . . +/- floor time: -5

:2.2 - Marvin back in game . . . Score: 27 - 20 Bulls . . +/- floor time out of game: -2

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2ND QUARTER

10:59 - Marvin tip offensive rebound

7:43 - Knocks ball away from Tyus Thomas, but he regains control and takes ball to the hole. Marvin fouls him, not giving up the easy lay-up.

7:07 - Had an open 15 foot jumper, but he puts the ball on the floor. Called for traveling. When you're as hot as he is right now, you have to take that shot.

4:28 - Deng scores a tough lay-up over Marvin.

3:37 - Knocks away lob attempt to Deng, which starts a Hawks fast break. Smoove converts on the other end with a lay-up. Showed good awareness on that play.

3:34 - Defensive rebound

2:50 - hits 18 foot jumper coming off of a screen set by Lo Wright.

2:16 - Marvin takes PJ Brown off the dribble and hits a very nice looking 8 foot running hook in the lane.

*** End of Half *** Score: 41 - 37 Bulls . . . +/- floor time: +3

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3RD QUARTER

11:23 - Hits a 19 foot jumper near top of the key. JJ finds him wide open after he is doubled in the corner.

9:12 - Tried to hit Smooove going to the basket, but throws the ball behind him. Chicago grabs loose ball and goes on a fast break.

9:04 - On that fast break, Marvin and Lo Wright cut off a driving Deng, who turns it over. Marvin gets the loose ball and starts the fast break and takes the ball to the hole. His shot is blocked by PJ Brown, but a good play nonetheless.

8:56 - Marvin goes strong to the hole after JJ finds him along the baseline. He gets fouled and hits 2 FTs.

8:05 - Marvin loses Deng running around a screen and Deng gets an easy lay-up.

4:12 - Marvin goes out of game . . . Score: 59 - 51 Bulls . . . +/- floor time: - 4

1:59 - Marvin back in game . . . Score: 66 - 55 Bulls . . . +/- out of the game: -3

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4TH QUARTER

11:01 - Marvin throws the ball out of bounds, trying to hit an open JJ in the corner. He was open too, and should've shot the ball, seeing that he's still on fire.

7:37 - Defensive rebound

7:26 - Misses 17 footer. Had a good look.

6:27 - Steps out of bounds after receiving a pass from ZaZa from a defensive rebound. He wasn't aware how close he was to the sideline.

5:17 - Leaves Selfolosha open at the 3 point line when he drifts into the paint. Hinrick gets ball to Self. Marvin is in the area, but he hesitates closing out Self, who didn't hesitate and knocks down the 3 pointer. Bulls up 15 at this point and game is virtually over.

4:59 - Goes hard to the hole and draws the foul. Knocks down 2 FTs

3:51 - Hits a 15 foot jumper

Marvin out of game . . . Score: 92 - 81 Bulls . . . +/- floor time: even

Final score . . . 94 - 86 Bulls . . . +/- out of game: -3

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OVERALL GRADE: B+ . . . It should've been an A, but he seemed to be a little less aggressive in the 2nd half. It was almost like he was overthinking on some of those plays. From an offensive standpoint, what an outstanding game. Easily his best offensive game of the year. You can see the difference when Marvin catches the ball and sets his feet, as opposed to trying to shoot off the dribble. If he's open and his feet are set, the shot is going down. Great game by the kid.

Positive plays: 13

Negative plays: 6

+/- floor time: -6

+/- out of game: -2

[TheNorthCydeRises]

I may revert back to posting the Marvin breakdowns in a single thread. I don't like how this looks in the other thread so far. We'll see.

[Popeye]

I ve got a question!

What if for example Shelden fouls Deng and sends him to the free throw line and than Shelden goes to the bench(Marvin comes in), Deng knocks down 2 free throws after Shelden went out and Marvin was in.

So who gets the MINUS 2?

Shelden or Marvin?

I am guessing it has to be Shelden since he fouled him.

How do you score that?

[Nicholasp27]

the way 82games.com does it is to see what the team did when u were in the game vs when u weren't...that's ur individual +/-...if the team does better against the opps when you are on the court than off, ur +/- will be positive, even if u lose all ur games...and the opposite is true as well

[jerrywest]

Thanks for the Bulls game analysis of MW. I missed the game last night. You need to put this in a different thread. Its hard to follow. I didn't know you posted a new one until now. This thread will become too long and hard to follow.

[exodus]

Funny that Marvin came out of his slump when northclyde started this. Over the last two games he has averaged 21 pts on 64% shooting.

[jerrywest]

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Funny that Marvin came out of his slump when northclyde started this. Over the last two games he has averaged 21 pts on 64% shooting.

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ye Marvin. Keep reading Northcyde's posts. And send him a fat check when you sign your next contract.

[Johann]

proves that all of the hawks hang on every word posted here, as we suspected (not to mention the management, owners and referees)

[thesheedera]

I agree with all you said. During the game I was frustrated with both Marvin and his teammates in the second half. He didn't play as aggressive, but Chill and JJ especially also stopped looking for him, and forced a lot of bad possessions, and the whole team was pretty sloppy.

Good game from Marv, not a good game for the team.

I hope his confidence, and mayb e more importantly his teams confidence in him, is on the way back up. We gotte put some wins together soon.

[thesheedera]

I'm looking forward to the analysis of his game against the Celts. It wasn't a complete failure, but it certainly wasn't progress on how he's been playing. The best thing he did is that one of his 3 FGs was the bucket that tied us up. All in all the J was off and he wasn't as aggressive as he's been, so he wasn't too effective in other parts of the game. In the 1st quarter he didn't touch the ball too much, the 2nd quarter was all J. Smith, and the second half was all JJ. Several of Marv's misses were blocked shots, and part of me was glad to see him going right back up...but he has to start finishing around the rim. He doesn't have much explosion off two feet from a standing still position, and that kills him when putting back and offensive board or any other time he gets the ball inside.

I would give him somewhere around a C-, possible a C. The real deal is wins and losses, and all that really matters is picking up nice comeback W on the road.