R We Closer 2 An EC Top Contender Than We Thougt?

[Guest]

Well I understand about the Duncan post....(Did you

see his missed jumpers/ft's and failure to cover Horry

on that last shot)But I felt fine with my Billups post.

I said how I feel about our team vs. Detroit's team.

I'm not going to say what I don't feel.Take a chill

pill dude.

[cynic]

"Who said anything about having to average 20PPG?"

Certainly not I.

"What are you even talking about?"

Is the parallel that elusive, Joe? Chauncey Billups has exactly one good year and you think he's far superior to JT? This is what Chillz was talking about. Last year, you would've said he was a worthless loser.

Your stats aren't right, either.

20PPG. Geez. It's an analogous situation. The particular stats don't matter. I assumed you'd draw the parallel, but I see that I've once again put far too much faith in your capacity for abstract thought.

Abstract reasoning. I think you can take a course in it (though I don't think it's offered at Dekalb).

[Guest]

WRONG...It was easy to see Billups(just like Hudson)

was coming into his own LAST YEAR.Uncle Joe knew

about him....

JT's best year was when he was the first option by

default.You know,scoring 19.7PPG on a 23 win team.

Plus JT seems to lack basketball knowledge.That's why

the coach as Diesel says has dummy down his play

book for JT to understand it.Billups has the ability

to get where he wants on the floor....JT doesn't.JT

when things get tough will start firing away...and

the rest of the team including Dog do the same

thing.

It's simple,guys will do anything to ignore the fact

that JT isn't a PG.Some have this fantasy that JT

is as good as NAsh/SM and others.Well he isn't.If

you just say he is a PG because of high assist total

then you have to call Kobe Bryant a PG aswell.....

There is a difference between running a offense and

just feeding a hot shooter.

Billups is a better PG AND player than JT.I'll take Billups

year of great play and EC title over JT's 3 years of 30

win seasons and inconsisant shooting.

That's all they're is too it.

[Hawksman]

No matter if we win or lose. I wish other people would though. Jay, me, and some others are the only ones. JT is a great player. He is still developing. You cannot just learn a position in one year. It takes a while. JT did very well his first year as all-tome point man for this team. He will get better and better. You'll see.

[cynic]

It's becoming more and more apparent to the other posters on this board that you have only one real criterion for evaluating a player: his team's won/loss record.

It doesn't seem to matter how much the player had to do with that record...it's just the record in itself that matters.

Detroit was this good last year. Billups didn't make them any better, whether you want to believe it or not. What if Billups had been traded to the Cavs where he put up even better numbers, but the Cavs had only won 18 games. You'd be arguing that he sucks.

Let's have more fun with your logic.

1) Charlie Ward is not a very good player. After all, his team missed the playoffs. HOWEVER, he used to be excellent...that is, back when the Knicks were perennial contenders.

2) Robert Horry is a tremendous player. In fact, he's one of the best ever, as he's been in the playoffs nearly every year, and won multiple championships with both Houston and LA.

3) Alan Iverson used to suck bad. Now, he's good. Just look at what Philly is doing in the playoffs.

4) Gary Payton is terrible. He played on 2 non-playoff teams this year. He was good back in the mid 90's. You know, when the Sonics played the Bulls for the championship.

5) Bill Wennington is tight.

I already know your response to this one:

"Well, I'm sorry if I don't think the Hawks have the best players in the league because they won a measley 35 games....."

I don't know why I try

[Guest]

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[Guest]

Jt just like SAR and the rest take alot of nights

off and just throw up shots.Since Jt tanks it on

defense, he should atleast be a good shooter and

he isn't that.

Billups knows is position...JT is still a tweener without

a position...Not a good enough defender to be a SG..

but he's not a real PG either.

Billups can run a offense...and defend.Jt can't do either

one.All JT can do is throw up 3pt shots.

My logic is that you got to bring you're best as often

as possible.The Hawk players tank games at times.They

don't have the will to be a sucessful team.

When I hear Shareef say there's nothing he can do

about it...You know what it tells me??He don't have

the will to win.

"3) Alan Iverson used to suck bad. Now, he's good. Just look at what Philly is doing in the playoffs.

4) Gary Payton is terrible. He played on 2 non-playoff teams this year. He was good back in the mid 90's. You know, when the Sonics played the Bulls for the championship."

Those two guys bring it alot more often than JT does.

Detroit is better than they were last year.They won the

EC this year and they have a very good shot at cracking

the finals.They'd probably be there for sure if Billups

hadn't been missing the last few games.

JT hasn't been apart of winning.And until you do...you're

so called accomplishments don't count for much.The play

offs is when you make you're name...Well,JT hasn't been

to the playoffs.Basically,I'm not rewarding JT for

garbage games.

[Playmaker0017]

HotATL,

You said that Wallace, unlike Reef, makes his team win. Where was Wallace as TeamUSA got thrashed by the overseas scrubs?

Wallace wins nothing. His ENTIRE TEAM wins games. They ALL play hard.

It is the system, NOT the player. If you put Wallace in Dallas, he would not improve their game.

Play.

[Guest]

HotATL,

You said that Wallace, unlike Reef, makes his team win. Where was Wallace as TeamUSA got thrashed by the overseas scrubs? "

They lost those games because of the style the NBA

plays.The NBA isn't real basketball anymore.Those

overseas team exposed the flawed and often stale

one on one NBA...Shareef wouldn't have made them

win either.

It's the same reason 42 year old Stockton and Malone

can make the playoffs with a weak roster.Because they

play the game the way it was meant to be played.That's

how they can survive despite there age and clearly

being passed the prime.

What has Wallace won?

Two time defensive player

Two time rebounding champ

Allstar

Only the 2nd guy in history to lead the league in

shots blocked and rebounds

The only thing Reef has to his credit so far is one

allstar apperance he didn't deserve.

"It is the system, NOT the player. If you put Wallace in Dallas, he would not improve their game."

That's just stupid.You mean the defensive player of

the year wouldn't improve the Mavs?lol

They couldn't use his 15RPG?lol pullease!

[cynic]

I agree that Wallace would make Dallas better. He's a very good player, but he doesn't 'make his team win'.

He did play in Orlando and Washington prior to Detroit. What did they win???

The system DOES matter.

[Guest]

He didn't play enough there.Detroit would miss

the playoffs without him probably.He has always

been a good rebounder.He was overlooked just

like Bowen and other guys.I bet Orlando wish

he was back there now.

Not to mention he brings alot of heart and toughness

to the game.Stats don't show that.

[cyman3]

i think his hardworking defense rubs off his teammates... watching him play defense that hard gives them motivation to play harder.

they arent the best skilled, the smartest, or the most athletic team... but they do get their share of the W's by playing hard night in and night out.

[TheDude]

once glenrob is gone, this team will be better..

i say trade glenrob and a 1st to minnesota for kg...

[cyman3]

"i say trade glenrob and a 1st to minnesota for kg... "

u should be GM on the year!!! lol...

only if it was that easy...

[Hawksman]

Hello! Anybody remember. When I see Reef go against Wallace he does very, very well. If you score 50 against a Big Ben, then you are good. end of story.

[Guest]

I was one game.Delk also scored 50 in a game.