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Hearing how Kirk Hinrich is the problem. He held Richard Hamilton to 6 pts. Bibby would have given him 36. Everytime Josh acts up saying trade him. If Phil Jackson could get Rodman, the biggest Ahole in the game to play without being a distraction, getting Josh to do the same should be nothing. I'm tired of hearing Woodson and Drew being given the excuse that the players tuned them out. It's their f***ing job to get the players to listen. Just do your job man. Do your job. You wanted to wear daddy's britches, now quit half assing it and show us something Drew. That's all for now <grin>.

I was willing to give him a chance. I've seen enough. Go get a real coach this time Spirit!

Keep Josh and trade Drew!

PBT’s trade deadline report card Atlanta Hawks (Out: Mike Bibby, Jordan Crawford, Maurice Evans. In: Kirk Hinrich, Hilton Armstrong.) The Atlanta Hawks needed to upgrade at the point guard spot and Hinrich is an upgrade. He’s a better defender, a better decision maker, and can knock down the three almost as well as Bibby. This is a good trade for the Hawks from a talent perspective. They still don/t match up with Celtics/Heat/Bulls, but they got better. Grade: B

Here is something that bugs the hell out of me about the Hawks GM. Whoever it is at the time. They all make the same dumb moves. From Wikipedia about Hilton Armstrong He was waived on April 10, 2010 by the Houston Rockets. Armstrong signed with the Washington Wizards on July 13, 2010. If we thought he was an asset, why the hell didn't we pick him up off waivers back then?????

Don't like that we threw in the 1st rounder. But loved Hinrich when he was here in Chicago. Great competitor.

From a writeup of the latest Celtic/Heat game. "Joel Anthony finished with a +5 in this game, which should probably destroy this metric for all time, and I like the metric. Anthony was constantly out of position, gave up offensive rebounds, failed to close off the baseline, and was often scrambling to recover." http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/lebron-james-misses-free-throw-as-celtics-top-heat-for-third-time

I vote no out of fear. The last time i heard break up the core to get younger and better, we got rid of Mutumbo, Steve Smith and Mookie Blaylock and sucked for 10 years with people like Isiah Rider.

McGrady reeks too much of other over-the-hill and no longer motivated players we've brought to Atlanta only to see them dial it in. Mose Malone Reggie Theus Walt Bellamy to name a few

Nice to see them take control in the 4th and fight til the end. WTG Hawks!

Besides the ABA team sueing, we had to contend with Milwaukee who had drafted Dr. J in the NBA. They were also filing protests with the league to stop the deal. But I agree with Guerin. I would have given Milwaukee two first round picks to keep Dr. J! And that footage of Pete is awesome.

NBA has its own one-and-done players

Merry Chistmas to everyone, also!

Philly 97 ORL 89 Let's hope that chemistry takes a few weeks and we can gain some ground.

Marvin is our leading scorer at 12 with 2:58 left in the 1st half against Cleveland. We lead 54-38. If you're going to mention everytime he scores low (0) then mention when he does good too.

I look at Marvin the same way I look at Jameel Anderson of the Falcons. Forget where they were drafted. What can they do for me today. So far Marvin seems to be as good an option for someone who plays the #5 choice in the offense. He does just enough to stay the starter. Anyone better wouldn't accept being so low in the pecking order.

http://hawksbasketblog.com/2010/09/10/you-cant-teach-size-or-banging/ Larry Drew recently told FoxSportsSouth.com “When I got the job, one of the first things that I spoke to Rick Sund about was bringing in a big guy — a guy that would be a kind of a natural banger.” “Natural Banger” might be the most accurate way to describe Etan Thomas. Coach Drew saw that first hand when he was an assistant with the Washington Wizards during Thomas’ rookie season. He is hoping the physical style of play will be contagious through the Hawks frontcourt. Let’s face it, Al Horford hasn’t had to go against a body like Thomas’ in practice since he was drafted. Solomon Jones, Joe Smith and Randolph Morris are all recent teammates that are over 6’10″, but all of them would rather avoid contact than initiate it. Then there is Zaza. Big Z has perfected the art of running into people, but stand him up next to Etan Thomas and tell me which one you would take in an arm wrestling contest. Zaza’s physicality will get under Dwight Howard’s skin, but Thomas’ could wear him down. This is the latest tweak in the Larry Drew approach to taking the Hawks to the next level. So far we have 1) more movement on offense, 2) more ball pressure on defense, and 3) more “banging” inside. Something tells me that if Drew has his way Hawks opponents will be sore the next morning. This style also requires a deep bench and great conditioning. I see Chattin Hill, the Hawks Strenght & Conditioning Coordinator, getting plenty of face time with the players during training camp. Word is that the players have been put on notice that they are expected to enter camp ready to hit the ground running.

I never saw Shaq display leadership or poise. I saw him play many many times in his college career (and pro). I think we had a lack of communication there.

I have to say you seem to change the rules as it suits you to make your argument. You began by saying Laettner didn't deserve to be picked over Shaq because we should discount that Laetnerr was on a better team. Now you want to use championships and records to argue Lew Alcinder over Laettner. The argument is very very weak if you are suggesting that Lew Alcinder playing at LSU, Houston, Maryland, etc. would have gone 88-2 and won 3 chamionships, when much of the credit for those things should go to the greatest basketball coach ever John Wooden and the supporting cast he put together. I would put Alcinder in a list of greatest college players ever, but wouldn't call it a slam dunk. I don't know that you can pick one over the other in a list of the top ten and Laettner deserves consideration to be in such a group. One of the things you can't list in stats is his leadership and poise. Two things I never saw in Shaq in college and very little of in the NBA for that matter. Leadership and poise are things that people who saw him play will remember and people who only read about him later will never understand. Just like I can't really measure a Wilt or Bill Russell in their prime. I never saw Russell play and only saw Wilt in his later years. And I'm no Duke homer, i'm a UGA fan.

The reason Laettner wasn't drafted higher in the NBA is because they play a different and much more boring game in the NBA. It's a 2 man game where the big man pushes, shoves, elbows, leans and forces his way to the basket with no fouls called. In college Shaq couldn't do that and Laettner made him look like a fool in head to head match ups. In the NBA it was all Shaq cause body weight and muscle and big name status are all that matter. No finesse players wanted.

Plus Laettner ate Shaq alive when they played head to head in college.

I like the part about trying to tire other teams out. Use our athletism while we still have the edge on most teams.

Drew to put Hawks in motion By Michael Cunningham The Atlanta Journal-Constitution There were cracks about Larry Drew directing like Spike Lee and how Hawks players would laugh when they watched video of their coaches, long past their playing days, working this hard. But it was mostly business during Drew's recent five-day minicamp at Philips Arena to teach his coaches the details of his new motion offensive system. And it's doubtful his players' amusement will last long after they replace their stand-ins—they'll be too busy catching their breath. There's lots of motion involved in Drew's offense. Hawks players are going to have to be in very good physical condition to run it, and that's why Drew said conditioning would a “top priority” when training camp opens on Sept. 28. In his first season as a head coach, Drew hopes to develop a drastically different offensive identity for the Hawks, from sometimes stagnant and predictable to dynamic and versatile. “It’s very difficult to guard,” Hawks assistant coach Larry Conner said of Drew's offense. “You have to be precise in your defensive schemes. You can be beat at any spot on the floor at any time. NBA teams don’t like to guard a lot of movement and screens. "I’ve heard the guys [Hawks players] are all for it and are excited about it.” Drew's coaches hit the court for some immersion in Drew's system. They ran the sets with Conner as Joe Johnson, Bob Bender as Mike Bibby, Duane Ferrell as Marvin Williams, Kenny Gattison as Josh Smith and Tyrone Hill as Al Horford. Drew put the final session on video so players can see what he wants. “We got a bunch of old guys out there running around,” Drew said. “We've got some swollen knees, guys out there trying to run and cut.” Judging by Drew's final session with his coaches, there will be plenty of running and cutting for Hawks players this season. For weeks Drew had said his system would “force the ball to move” and it was clear what he meant after seeing it in action. Things happen so fast there’s not much opportunity for holding the ball. The screens and cuts come quickly and if the first option is not there then the ball is whipped around, leading to player movement Lots of the action involves players breaking to the basket. It seems there always is an option for the next man in the sequence to either accept the ball while moving to his position or reverse field to the basket. Not much possession time is spent on the one- or even two-man game. Each player touches the ball at different spots on the floor. Decisions must be made quickly for things to flow correctly. In addition to incorporating more movement in the offense, Drew said he plans to take advantage of his players' versatility to create mismatches. Johnson, an All-Star shooting guard, also is capable of playing point guard and small forward. Drew said Horford, an All-Star center, would play significant minutes at power forward alongside Zaza Pachulia or Jason Collins. Smith, the starting power forward, will shift to small forward or even center at times. “[Regardless of lineup] nothing changes as far as the action on the floor,” Drew said. “I want to utilize our abilities as interchangeable pieces.” It's not that the Hawks were a bad offensive team last season. In fact they ranked third in the league in offensive efficiency, defined as points scored per possession. But Atlanta's offense often stalled when opponents tightened their defense and Hawks players abandoned set plays in favor of one-one-one, isolation play. The problem became apparent as the Hawks couldn't close out games in the fourth quarter after the All-Star break and was further exposed by Orlando during its sweep of Atlanta in the Eastern Conference semifinals. The Hawks are looking for that to change once the players take their coaches' place in Drew's new system. “Now when you talk about defending us, you are not talking about locking in on certain guys in the same spots,” Drew said. “We won't be as predictable.”

There was no excuse for leaving Dom off the 92 dream team or the top 50 list. And they still are missing his best dunk. Playing Boston. Bird and McHale are mugging him under the basket. Leaning on him at the edge of the three point line, i thought they were going to push him out of bounds. Instead Dom does a fake then using his incredible strength, three feet under the backboard. Goes up and moves both Bird and McHale as they hang on him...no foul called of course..and dunks with both of them hacking and hanging on him. Best physical play I ever saw in the NBA.

BK's probably saying "Damn, if only I had hired Drew."