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Do you know why the FO traded for Bey? Wasn't it well known at the time Bey wanted big money and we most likely couldn't afford to keep him?

But didn't Porzingis drop like 40 on us near the end of the last season though?

Reading between the lines here but based on pure speculation it seems like, They don't see Murray as a long term solution at SG and want Bogi to fill in that role until we can find a younger long term replacement and Murray and Trae will have to compete against each other to solidify themselves as the PG of the future so one of them could be hitting the trade market in the next off season. They want to have 4 shooters on the floor at all times so JJ and OO roles may not expand as much Hawks fans originally thought. This season will be more of a transitional season to build a new culture/craft a new play style and to asses who is staying or who should be traded.

This hypothetical Siakam trade just reeks of desperation to get something done. It reminds me the Dejounte trade. Overpaying for a rental who is an awkward fit just because its a name with some accolades. This trade leaves us with no true SF, a lot of SF/PF tweeners and little reliable shooting. and this is the team we want to mortgage the future for and go "All in" on?

Championship teams who are 1/2 players away from greatness show way more fight than our pathetic showing last season I would have been ok with chasing talent if we haven't already borrowed from the future in the Dejounte trade which didn't do much to change the team's destiny and a year later we are already scrambling trying to dig out of a sinking hole. Enough with the quick fixes. Its time to reassess and have Trae prove he can be a consistent all nba performer, enough trying to please him like hes already an all time great and its time for Quin to prove he can take the hawks to being more than a fringe playoff team. If those two can't do that there is no point in continuing to invest into this core if the foundation is rotten. If we don't do anything stupid. 2027 when Trae is a free agent (Maybe) and Dejounte has 1 year left, it gives the next era of Hawks basketball and whoever is at the FO a fighting chance to start fresh without being in a huge deficit.

Give me Kat who is a 20/10 7 footer who is a near 40% career 3 point shooter who can open up the floor for Trae and Dejounte. Kat has flaws but is a much more seamless fit. Siakim's skillset doesn't mess well with our needs at all. Trading for Siakim is like trading for the PF version of Dejounte. Yes, he has made an all nba team, is a good defender, and fills the stat sheet but hes not a consistent shooter at all and hes undersized at 6'8!. We can't continuing being the most undersized team in the league plus his offensive game is very clunky. With Dejounte and Trae having the ball in their hands 80% of the time whoever we get will need to space the floor and get out of the way on offense and KAT does that.

Glad I'm not the only one. KAT is a legit 7 Footer with elite on ball and off ball offensive skills that very few can match up against. Siakiam is 6'8! and is a very inconsistent shooter and will be a lane clogger on offense. If plan on pairing him with 6'8 OO and face a front court with any decent size we will be screaming for a 7 footer. Siakiam had the luxury of being able to pair up with Marc Gasol 7'0 250 pound during the championship run to body up other bigs and space the floor on offense. We don't have that luxury at all.

Personally I don't like it. Very undersized and lack shooting. That team would be very easy to defend come playoff time. Crowd the paint and watch Murray and Trae dribble into a sea of defenders. KAT makes way more sense to me in terms of fit and gives tons of space for our guards to operate.

If we plan on keeping Capela in any KAT deal while giving up both of our fowards who can play the 3 & 4 without getting their replacements I will be highly disappointed. We will be making a similar mistake that the twolves did last year when they moved Kat to PF full time. KAT is a 5 offensively period and plays best when he is the only true big on the floor. At the 5 he provides a skillset that few bigs in the league can provide. We will just be the Twolves of last year and be wasting KAT talent if we don't dump Capela and get some more fowards on this team.

I'm extremely skeptical also. How can be talking about loyalty for a team you only played for one season. The ones that talk about loyalty very loudly are usually the biggest snakes. Damian talk about loyalty for a decade all day on twitter but once he got his large contract that will last until hes 37. That loyalty shtick dropped quick.

Don't get all the love for Siakim we dump 1 undersized 4 that isn't a good shooter so we can trade for another undersized 4 that isn't a good shooter that is older and more expensive. At the 4 all we need is someone who can guard their position, make the extra pass and get out of DJM and Trae's way. We know DJM and Trae will be taking 20+ shots each every night so the bigs will be underutilized on offense and will need to create space with 3 point shooting.

I'm gonna maintain that JC was solely dumped so Murray could get paid. Btw after seeing the contracts these other guards are getting, Murray's trade value is probably close to zero. Giving up Huerter at 16m per year and being forced to pay Murray $40m a year with no material improvement in our record is going to haunt the hawks for years. If we aren't atleast a 50+ win team next season and a top 4 seed, we need to let him go period.

FYI, It wasn't the same roster. They changed their entire front court rotation outside of Giannis to fit a 5-out Bud style offense. They got rid of Jabari Parker, Tyler Zeller, Greg Monroe, benched John Henson and replace them with shooters such as Brook Lopez, Nikola Mirotić, and Ersan Ilyasova They also upgraded their backcourt by replacing the corpse of Jason terry with George Hill. If we want to mimic Bud's success in Milwuakee and Quin's success in Utah, we need a major upgrade in our shooting which Quin's Jazz and Bud's Bucks consistently were ranked top 5 in three pointers made while last season we finished 23rd.

Sounds like we want to dump salary so we can pay Murray next year so moving forward our roster will be Trae/Murray along with players on vet mins, rookie scale contracts, whatever Bogi can bring when hes not injured and 1 highly paid front court players (JC or Capela)

Jordan Poole is a top 5 worst contract in the league. I would be heated if I was a Wizards fan. He is a 6th man being paid all star starter money.

I doubt they gave Beal that contract due to loyalty. There is no loyalty in sports. If I had to take a guess, Beal was ready to leave if he didn't get everything that he asked for and It was the ownership that was meddling and forced the gm to give him that contract because they didn't want to go through a rebuild under any circumstance and want to compete for a play-in seed.

The Denver nuggets is just another example of if you have the best/one of the best players in the league that performs in the playoffs with a good supporting cast you can win a championship. The nuggets were lucky enough to have one of them fall into their laps in the 2nd round. There isn't a unique lesson to be learned here.

Don't forget that in Jimmy's 1st and 2nd year he was a 30th pick who was a 4th/5th option on offense that was competing for shots in an offense that featured multiple all stars while playing for a coach who was known for not playing young players. The deck was literally stacked against him in Chicago for him to succeed. Once he got opportunities he immediately proved he was an all NBA defender and an elite secondary option on offense. This polar opposite to Hunter who had all the opportunities in the world to blossom into an all star. The hawks invested very heavily to move up in the draft to pick him and immediately gave him a starting role with heavy mins with no competition for his role. Thinking Hunter can have a Butler type of development isn't realistic at all.

Going all in and mortgaging your future to acquire a 2nd tier star only makes sense to me if you are already on the cusp of contention and need an extra boost to get the Chip. It makes zero sense to make such a risky move when you are a fringe playoff team that could easily fall into the lottery with a little bit of bad luck.

I agree that we can't afford to add another star. When discussing potential trades, I think Hawks fans need to realize that the landscape of the trade market is completely lopsided to the sellers. The nba is as balanced as I have ever seen in the past couple of decades. Just 4 years ago, the KD warriors were destroying the nba and there were only 3-4 teams that were legit contenders. Now, there are at least 10 teams that are gunning to be contenders so the asking price for talent is SUPER inflated right now. This is why I believe trading away Huerter for short term savings is going to hurt this team more in the long term than most people realize. Just imagine what the market value for Huerter is now. With our lack of depth and depleting assets I don't see a realistic path to adding talent to the team. We will have to focus on improvement via internal development and better coaching.

If its true that Capela is most likely gone and big OO is being groomed as our full time starter, I'm dying laughing at the thought of us rolling out a 6'6 Jae crowder and 6'9 OO as our full time frontcourt.

I agree, this makes no sense. I thought the reason we overpaid for Dejounte by giving up 3 picks was to maximize Trae's prime years by going all in and surrounding him with as much talent as possible. Why are we so focused on destroying years of asset accumulation to cut cost? How does the front office expect us to get better? Do they expect talent to walk through the door and beg to play for us at a discount? I'm very disappointed in the direction, we are arguable in a worst position than last year. We gave up picks to still be a fringe play-in team. If the ownership wasn't willing to pay the luxury tax at all cost to hoard as much talent as possible. I would love to know the rationale on why we made the trade in the first place. I rather have huerter and the 3 picks back then what we have now.

It seems like every year when the hawks disappoint, we are quick to blame injuries.

There is way too much optimism to believe we will be in position to to get top lottery pick. We have too much talent and have been too competitive against playoff caliber teams to drop down the standings. We are stuck in the middle. We can beat low tier teams with pure talent but can't execute well enough to consistently beat quality teams that aren't tanking.

Every cheap owner says they will pay the tax if they are a "contender" which is a cop-out answer. In other words, I'm not paying the tax unless we have Giannis, Luka, Lebron, & Curry all on our roster at the same time. Why did we even trade for Dejounte if he wasn't committed to going all in? What a complete waste. SMH