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The 1st they send will probably be the Minny 4 year lottery protected pick. So that may be a 2016 second rounder.

That would be one of the worst trades in NBA history. Oh, and the Zaza billboard staring into my apartment begs to differ that he is filler. Is there a Shumpert billboard up in NYC?

Hmm.. Bring in Ellis, get worse, then pay HIM $18 mil instead of Josh. Sounds like a winner.

Trading Smith and getting Brooks and something else from the 3rd team might be nice. But who is willing to give ANYTHING for Humphries? Let alone a 1st rounder, a good contract, or expirings?

I would love to see the Hawks get right in the middle of the Boston/LA trade and the LA/Utah trade.Utah wants a PG - Bledsoe and probably doesn't want to be burdened with a bad contract. Boston wants a young physical defender - SmithLA - wants a jump shooting big to open things up for Griffin - GarnettATL - Needs a real C, has an extra 1st rounder and has exprings to send Utah as filler since Bledose makes 20% of what the other big pieces doIn the end ATL ends up with D. Jordan and Milsap's bird rights. We can afford to sign him, but could flip him in a sign and trade if it doesn't work out. The money works if the Hawks toss in the spare parts.

You mean a deal that pays a player for the value he provides a franchise in the prime of his career? I think JJ contract #2 represents overpaying for a diminishing asset based on past performance and fear.

Harden is a tier 1 guy. We will likely never get him though since he is restricted. We have a lot of pieces to work with next year. I am not concerned right now. Things still look brighter than at the end of then season. The red sea just didn't part for ATL to be the new NBA superpower.

Pietrus is a big medical question (knees)

Or, it would seem that the only practical way the Hawks can use this is to trade a draft pick or player right for a player with an equal salary to Green. If I understand correctly, they could have simultaneously acquired a player from a 3rd team at 125% of Green's deal, but didn't. If I am figuring this right this seems rather worthless at this TPE price level. With a $10 mil TPE you could trade for a contract another team hates for a 2nd rounder. What can you get for $1.3 mil, a failed draft pick from the past 3 years?

So it sounds like the Hawks can only trade this TPE for another player with an equal salary to Green's. That doesn't sound too valuable.

No. I thought it was a good pick to begin with. He isn't a starter, but how many starters were drafted in the bottom half of the 1st round? How many all stars? I will take a reliable shooter on this team. Jenkins will never be a max contract guy but you better believe that a reliable 40% 3 point shooter who can score 8-12 points per game will get the MLE or about 4-7 million a year as an unrestricted free agent. I think that is what we picked up. I bet 2/3 of the picks after him never even average 10 points a game on a winning team in their careers.

And Cleveland can't take back more than about 11 million in bad contracts. I just don't get this deal.

This is the best I could do:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6r3u2p4Orlando gets no lottery picks and is still stuck with a bad contract.

What is this miracle trade that will make this work? Lakers - Howard Orlando - ? + 2 1sts from each team? Cavs - Bynum Where do all the big contracts from Orlando (Hedo, Richardson, Duhon, etc,) go? Orlando has to take back like $15, right?

Want none of Birdman.

What was our final cap figure for 2011-2012? My recollection was around $70 million. Sounds like the owners might be saving a couple bucks this year.

We may flip any number of expirings for multi years depending on how then season goes - Morrow, Harris, Korver, Petro, or Zaza. The worse the season, the more flipping. I see a 40 game winner again and little flipping, but it is all just assets to belayed with I guess.

Biannual 1.9 guy. Would be another good big. 20 min at PF means 16 or so for Josh at SF, 20 or so for Korver. I like the sound of that.

Not much left to trade. Hinrich is the only thing close to an asset, unless we were dealing for D12. Wonder what $1.9m gets you at SF?

How about Pietrus if he can pass a physical is a D SF to match Korver?

So we lose an extra 15 games going from Joe, Marvin, Green, McGrady, Pargo, and Collins to L. Williams, Korver, Morrow, Harris, Jenkins, Petro, and Webster according to the poster? I guess it is losing Collins.

A statue may be in order if he can work some 2013 magic. I would love to be the Hawks GM next year with 4 draft picks, and a salary cap figure of 37 million or so before roster/draft holds (6 mil?).

Great posts KB21, but the 11 man team obviously won't pan out over a season. Obviously, we want more minutes out of Horf than 11 games, so Zaza should be down as would Collins/Damp if they were back, but surely Petro would fill in 2010 Collons minutes, even in then best scenario. Put the man down for 10 crappy minutes of nothingness. Surely Stephenson will see the court too. I like how you drop Harris to 22 minutes. Another post put him down for 30+. He is like 32 and played 27 minutes last year. To be effective, that # needs to go down a few per year now. Hopefully Korver takes those SF minutes away from Ivan and Shurna. What is his WS48? That is a big drop off after the top 7.

I see Harris a huge upgrade over Hinrich who played an average of 26 minutes when healthy at 1/2. Harris is just as good a 3 point shooter, played 27 minutes per game for Utah and had a PER of 16 compared to 9 for KH. Jenkins should be no worse than a wash with Pargo's 13 minutes in 2012-2013. As for Marvin, he did only play 26 minutes a game. If Korver plays 20 and shoots well, how much slack really needs to be picked up there? Another SF seems necessary though since McGrady got minutes there.

I understand that then proposed trade offermfrom Houston sounds delicious with all those young players and picks and crazy cap savings over 3 years for Orlando. Question for then experts, How does Houston pull that off when Orlando would be trading 5 players with salaries totaling 46 million? The rookies earn a couple million each and Martin 12 mil? They would need to trade literally 12 players for 5 right? They must have some voodoo math of multiple trades or sign and trades that invoke the 150% rule, but that still means over 30 million outgoing right? Or does it need to be more?