Plainview1981

You forget one thing...DEFENSE and JO is better there by a large margin.

As seen with Portland...If you have too many bad apples there isn't much the coach can do. What more can Sttots do than bench them? You guys act like the coach is supposed to be some kind of god out there are something. Just listen to yourselves. It's the coaches fault that the Hawks whole roster is made up of guys that have lost and lost for every coach they have played for. It's up to the players to show some form of self control. Jt was doing what he was doing before Jax got here and when Dion was sitting on the bench with injuries....

Hotz, What you say is true... when you are IN A GAME. But, you can't really work on correct positioning in the offseason. " You cant study film? You can't get people together and practice the situation? Working hard is more than picking up a dumbell. You can't invite players over to work on it...You can't call up a great PG of the past and get help? Jt's problems are lack of instincts and bad offensive and defensive awareness. Those are some mighty big flaws to have. A coach can't give JT the insticts that passers have. Penny I believe wanted to be like Magic and although he was a decent passer, he didn't have the insticts to be a Magic type of player.

Is this all the players fault?" 90% of it is...They play the [censored] game the coaches don't. "Stotts is in over his head apparently. " it appears everyone is. It's everyones fault but Jt because he's a moron with limited skills. " This team has talent we need a coach that knows how to teach and motivate." Only a few stupid people here think the Hawks have the talent to win. SMART basketball fans know better. "Put another coach on the bench and see what would happen." Every coach you say the samething... First it was Lenny's fault for benching poor little innocent JT... Then it became Lon Krugers fault from shuffling JT back and fourth....Then it became Big Dog taking too many shots out of the offense...And now it's Terry Stotts fault that JT is a stupid motherfu(ker and can't simply throw a pass in the correct place despite playing 4 years in college. "If Jerry Sloan was his coach he would be one of the top point guards in the league. " Yeah right...

If Reef is to be kept it;s at a lower salary when he's a FA....And Theo and JT must see the door. And I'd take lotto picks over Reef because they are cheaper and have more potential. High paid contracts and losing aren't a good combo. I'd be fine with keeping Reef if the team can ship Hendu and Theo off on someone. And yes I'd take Sheed for them. Hendu is a waste of cap space. He's not even a useful player. He's like a Jason Caffey/Matt Gieger or someone like that....Guys that eat up cap space and don't produce. 4PPG 4RPG is not production. There are CBA'ers that can do what Hendu does. Even Leon Smith could produce 4/4. If we could trade Hendu/Theo for Sheed and trade JT and something for a real SG we'd be set to go. Diaw Sheed Reef Nazr I'd trade JT for Cuttino Mobley.

Dwight Howard=Rasheed Wallace. Play, your consisant defending of JT/SAR is sickening. If these guys where that good the Hawks wouldn't be on pace for a 20 win season. NO if and's or buts. These guys never improve their games and they take loosing in stride. Even the other teammaters KNOW IT and have said it. 20 wins is what a Denver Nuggets team from a year ago or the 98-2002 Bulls get.

You can work on your footwork. You can work on your positioning. But... drills don't really get one amped." Sorry but that's part of working hard. Working to get correct positioning is just as much work as working to improve your jumpshot. If Jt works so hard to improve his game out come he STILL can't inbound the ball correctly? Other PG's could do it as a rookie...[censored], Dan Dickau can do that correctly. I'm saying that for JT to be such a hard worker his game hasn't improved at all the last 3 years.

You say "coaching my a+*" in your post --- do you actually believe that a different coach would not make a difference " Jt had a good college coach...4 years of college experience and still no fundamentals. He should have learned some being in college for years. Jt is the dumbest player in the league and it isn't any of the coaches fault. A freakin high school PG can throw the ball in the post better than JT... "arrives in shape every year, a player that works out delligently during the offseason, a player that plays hard everynight, a player with speed agressiveness and contrary to your point a player that can shoot the ball." Yeah right...That's why his defense has improved over the years..Because he's so hard working.....So hard working that he totally ignores that end of the court. " This team is by no means the least talented in the NBA but maybe the most under-achieving they." Who expected the hawks to do anything this year other than a handful of people on this board? Not very many.. In fact, alot of people predicted this team to be the worst team in the league and that's exactually what it is. The only thing JT has done is contribute to mediocrity... Take selfish dumb shots...Not play defense....etc...etc.. etc....

Well my team sucks so i changing it up abit. I am in last place u know.

Didn't see the game...but I can't get excited over a win againest the Wizards when the team is out of playoff contention anyway.

I'd rather not discuss it...

His carrer percentage is somewhere along the lines of 42% and it seems his shooting has been trailing off the last 3 years or so.

I had us winning 30 games thisyear. doesn't look like that will happen

Read the Billy Knight article..Sure doesn't look like anything is gunna change the next few years.

Alot of those problems are because JT is playing PG. Again, there is a reason there was really no takers in the offseason.... Coaching my @ss. JT couldn't learn fundamentals in a 4 year college career. There is something wrong with that don't you think? Jt is a CBA player. He's allowed to roam and do as he pleases on a meaningless team. The fact is that he does nothing well...He doesn't even score all that much...He can't even shoot a decent percentage....The Hawks are a bad defensive team because of him. Why does a guard set a season or career high almost nightly. It doesn't matter if it's Tyus Edney or Rip Hamilton...They always bust JT's chops pretty good. No coaching could help this sorry and untalented squad. This team doesn't have the talent to be a defensive team and it doesn't have enough scorers to be an offensive team. Only idiots continue to avoild the fact that this team just isn't talented enough to win.

Jt=Nothing but a player that scores shooting at a low percentage.. Fundamental skills-Below average Passing-Below average defense-Below average shooting-below average Those aren't signs of a baller...Those are signs of a guy with severe limitations.

Why does the wild card exsist anyway? Titans Ravens Dallas They shouldn't be in the playoffs.

I agree they are are different players....but they produce about the same....Sheed shoots too many long jumpers and that's his biggest weakness in his game IMO....Despite his attitude, his play is soft. I'd take him if we keep Reef, but I don't see the benefit of trading one for the other.

Trading Reef for Sheed really doesn't help the team. There isn't alot of difference in production or anything. It seems like a pointless trade to me.

Play, you act as if coaches are supposed have this god like power that can make players into anything. JT was a 4 year starter for a good college I believe.....A good coach...One came out of college a good PG(Bibby) and they other one didn't(JT) and I know Bibby was overrated the last two years, but he was a solid PG for every coach he has played for...Even the bad coaches. Coaches at this level don't make PG's. You fail to realize that there are instincts. Larry Brown is a good coach, but I haven't seen Billups turn into a pass first PG.....Flip Sunders is a good coach, but he couldn't make Marbury a pass first PG...Players like Kidd are PG's because of instinct..They feel an open man....They see it when nobody else on the floor does. It's not Lon or Stotts fault that JT came out of college (where are you supposed to learn those fundamentals) 4 years and STILL has no clue how to play PG despite playing for a good coach. "Theo is not a bad scorer, he is a misused scorer. He is best from around 10 feet out. He doesn't play well with his back to the basket and needs to play outside the lane. Unfortunately, Stotts has just started to clue in and Theo has become a 12-15 PPG scorer since then." Theo is not a good offensive player at all. He has POOR handles, his jumpshot is mediocre, he has no ability to get to the basket. Theo had about 2 good decent scoring years.....But he carries about a 8PPG career scoring average. That's not good.

Yes JT is a bad player....What does he do other than score at a low percentage? Bad defensive player bad passer turns the ball over undersized doesn't provide any leadership What does Theo do other than block a few shots? Bad scorer Mediocre rebounder undersized terrible offensive player all together These are limited players. There is no bench.

This is the least talented team in the NBA. Jt only scores so much due to the freedom he's allowed to have. Guys like Derek Anderson/Mano/Marshall and alot of other 4 or 5th option guys could produce 18PPG if they where allowed to shoot as much as JT does. The team has no good swingman...no good defenders or anything. There really isn't any reason to believe this team could win with anyone.

As passionate of a fan as I've been for years...I've just grown sick. I haven't watched a half Hawks game in a while...As you said, the players admit the flaws they have and do nothing to prevent them...So I don't waste my time until I see improvements. I'm stuck with being a Hawks fan...But I probably will have to take on a second team just to keep myself interested in the NBA right now. No matter how much bad things I say about them, I am stuck with them. Just switching teams like that doesn't come easy to me.

When you can't score(90PPG) or play defense (97PPG) and can't create turnovers or rebound you are going to lose.

If I was terry Stotts I'd quit on this team also. Just terrible.