Hawkmoor

Meh.. Thats a contradictory statement. You said one of the sacred cows has to go, but not Trae, DJ or JJ. What other sacred cow do the Hawks have?

Win with whoever suits up for either side. They have to learn how to win regardless.

Had they lost the last two games the narrative would have continued that they have to play with Trae to win. The have to learn how to win with whoever suits up.

Weak sauce? The Cavaliers were 40-21 coming into that game against the Hawks. I agree with you. A good defensive showing against ANY team is good, especially a 40 win team. The Hawks are gelling now, learning how to play cohesively.

I've been saying for 4 years that Hunter has to be 1a or 1b, a featured player in the offense. The Hawks are not built like that. The wings just stand on the wings and let the guards play offense. Hunter looks good once he is able to get in a rhythm as a lead player. A trade might be in his best interest long term.

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Collins,Bogi, Gallinari, Snell, Capela, Hill, a young Okongwu who was showing signs, Huerter, Hunter, Reddish (at times), come on dude. The Hawks had one of the deepest rosters in the league. This has to stop. Travis built a monster and the problem was you was gonna have to pay folks and that was one of the issues that got him out of Atlanta because Ressler wasn't having it. The other factor is Trae, Lillard or whatever his name is, they wouldn't have the success they have now back in the 1980s because it was a completely different, PHYSICAL game. Guards didn't go into the lane. They just didn't do it. You had to be a physical guard back then. The point guards were physical pure point guards who had to be able to shoot over the defense if they were a scorer which most were not. The two guard was the guy back then and he had to be lights out. Nobody is gonna change those facts. Spud Webb was a bench sideshow who would dunk on fast breaks. Look at this picture of Jordan in the lane. Jordan was 6'6" tall. EVERY team had a enforcer. It was like a hockey game. The Pistons entire team were enforcers. There wasn't gonna be any Trae Young pick and rolls and floaters in the lane. Nique couldn't be stopped inside. Thats how the game was played. You HAD to be physical. And this Jordan vs Lebron discussion fiasco they keep running in the media needs to stop while I'm at it. Jordan and Nique, Bird, using these rules today would average in the 40 point range.

You mean that chemistry disaster that lasted TWO seasons with Theus (a hot dog) and the black hole called Malone that lasted three seasons and destroyed any sense of chemistry the Hawks had. That duo lead to that Hawks 80s team's downfall. I get why the Hawks management wanted them. Conceivably Theus was supposed to be a upgrade over Randy Wittman and Malone was supposed to be the scorer that Tree Rollins never was. Boston Celtics players to this day talk about how Dominique never had help in Atlanta. At times they would say "the right thing" on camera but they knew otherwise. Blaylock played I believe half a season with Nique and Augmon never played with him (correction, half a season because it was the year Wilkins tore his Achilles). Antoine Carr, John Battle, they were scrubs compared to what Bird, Jordan, Magic and Isiah had going on. Spud. Get real. Willis is the only legit debate and even he wasn't on the level of what the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls and Pistons could throw at you. They were good players but not prime time players. I remember reading a article where Dominique and Mike Fratello were asked why Fratello leaned on Nique soo much in big moments and it was said that the other players DIDN'T WANT THE BALL in big moments, that they were fine with Nique being the guy. Thats why that team never got over the hump against the big boys.

A VERY surprising mistake. I was for Quin coming here and called for it numerous times. Dude is a fake. He has the look and the stare but is not a head coach. You can watch ANY other random NBA game and see plays being run, see the schemes, see what a team is trying to do to you. With the Hawks its just the same thing over and over: spread the wings and let either Trae or Murray go one on one or take it into the trees. You don't have to have great shooters if you have a scheme that keeps the defense on its heels. Players can get in a flow, even bad shooters, when the scheme works. Not saying a team of not great shooters can win consistently, but they don't look THIS bad either.

Brah... These types of comments is why I don't post much.

Dominique carried the Hawks to FOUR straight 50 wins season by himself with zero help outside of Doc Rivers who wasn't a big time scorer. He went up against Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, and Isiah's Pistons. You think Trae would've beat any of those teams? And Trae HAS HELP compared to Dominique having zero help. Murray averaging 20 points. Collins damn near 20 points before Capela phased him out of the offense, then you got guys scoring in the mid to high teens like Hunter, Bogi, etc. Dominique carried FOUR straight Hawks teams to 50s win by his lonesome in a rugged Eastern Conference. Any of them players from the 80s would tell you that Nique is a waay better player than Trae. Its not even a discussion. Heck, Trae ain't even the best shooter on his current team, Bogi and Griffin WAS until he went Mark Jackson. Trae is a better SCORER than those two players but not a better shooter than either one.

Woah. Slow down cowboy. I was following you into you said THAT...Trae can be stopped. Defenses double him in big moments and get the ball out of his hands. Dominique would destroy entire defenses. You couldn't double or triple team him when he was on his game and Nique played when the game was physical, not this current powder puff stuff where they let guards get into the lane. That wasn't happening when Nique played and old heads on this forum KNOW THAT to be true....

I'm gonna make a serious case that the Hawks looked better under Nate McMillan. This is a overall statement about the entire season, both with and without Trae Young in the lineup. This team looks horrible. No excuse for Quin and that superstaff over there having the Hawks looking like this. I get that the team doesn't have a bunch of shooters, but they can't run plays on offense OR play defense?

Can he at least stay in front of guards long enough to cut off passing lanes with his height?

I mean, those stats tell the story. It doesn't matter how many points you score if you can't stop anybody. Thats the Hawks dilemma. If they are really trying to win they have to address it. IF THEY ARE REALLY TRYING TO WIN. The first step is to evaluate EVERY player. The next step is to come up with the solution. Right now the Hawks front office appears to be trying to stradle both sides of a fence and it can't be done. You have to address the lack of defense in your backcourt and it doesn't matter If Trae Young OR Dejuante Murray doesn't like it (thats player evaluation). If you have to go with a bigger point guard more often and in key situations to slow down the other team then so be it. I'm not adverse to playing Jalen Johnson in the backcourt (either guard position). He has the skillset to do it and would be the player they SAID Bill Simmons WAS suppose to be. Dejuante is just out there. He doesn't care anymore. Thats the problem with players when they see no vision from the front office. It rubs off on the players and they just show up. This isn't about Trae Young himself, its about the message you are sending your team. The Spurs long success was based on treating every player equally and as a cohesive team unit. The Celtics success is also like that. The Warriors long success was based on that. They play TEAM ball on offense and defense and nobody is bigger than that. It starts at the top.

The Amazon games start next season. As far as this season goes I wasn’t aware the Friday games were moved to Peachtree TV. Thanks.

They got to get this mess sorted. The bad part is Bally hasn't been forced to be transparent with their issues. You don't know what channel games are being televised on from moment to moment. Peachtree tv, NBA league pass, Bally, now Amazon Prime gonna be in the mix. To make matters even worst, I've been forced to get Bally Sports Plus to watch the games and not all the games are on that subscription service.

That will do it. The moment he points fingers it gonna garner attention.

Not gonna lie: This world is soo out of balance right now that even though I'm not a religious fanatic, I can see it. We live in a "everything goes" world right now. As far a A.J. himself, he LOOKS like a religious type. You can see it in his mannerisms and how he moves up and down the court. It makes sense now. Thats his perogative. He made it the Hawks business though when he started posting about it. Go see Mark Jackson.

My bad. I'll check it out.

DeAndre I feel could benefit from a offense that lets him be either the first or second primary scorer. I really believe that. Jalen has higher overall upside because he is more physical at the rim which is a very weak point of Hunter's game. Cam Reddish shouldn't even be in the discussion. Too inconsistent for no reason. I see too much of this with Hunter at the rim:

Whats the deal with A.J. Griffin? I haven't been keeping up with him. Is he having problems picking up the schemes?

Him and Trae would be a perfect match...