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What’s the record I’m curious and shocked if it’s truly that much better and I’m not even a Dre basher on this board, I just know he is what he is which is avg at best with an elite prototype SF build.

When you’re literally at the games it’s worse. lol I know that feeling. Are the stands still filled up ?…seems to be watching on the TV.

He is one of the problems. He definitely ain’t the savior of the team. We lose with and without him. gotta make it make sense.

That’s a Quinn question

Could not find any type of offense the last 4 minutes of the game! trae, murray, bogi are our best scorers and they were terrible the last 4 minutes of this game. Smh we really need a easy bucket scorer who can get a high percentage shot. We actually got stops and plenty of opportunities this game too.

And Synder goes away from all those combinations smh! we don’t need Capela out there at this point of the game.

Is this our closing lineup we been searching for all season ??? trae, murray, Bogi, Jalen, OO maybe too early to tell but this lineup has some good chemistry offensively and at least defensively that tip the ball a lot giving us a chance at defensive stops. I’m confident he will get it going though.

At least he’s being aggressive tonight. He still is out place defensively on some plays but he’s definitely making a small impact with his aggressiveness.

Quinn just need to stick with the same lineups and use them when they matter. when we needed to go small we went small and when we needed to go big we went big. Quinn need to do this more often and when one of these lineups get it going and get hot don’t take them out! Ride the wave!

I agree….he don’t have to play the 4….he can truly play both. Did you see Jalen staying in front of Fox on multiple possessions! Dude is great with on ball defense and he knows how to use his length! jalen is our point of attack defender but he doesn’t get that responsibility nearly enough.

Biggest difference is that Jalen is back and Bey is actually giving us a lot of activity at SF. Beys activity give us more hope than Hunters lack of effort and physical play even if Bey is ultimately a worse defender than Hunter. OO is playing aggressive tonight too. All his defense hasn’t been good but aggression can cause hesitancy. i hope they can keep this up 2nd half. This team excels when they run the floor and play at a fast pace. i would like to these same lineup combinations more often going forward including the BIG lineup. Even when we had Patty out there with Trae and Bogi…Patty plays so aggressive it’s just all a spark. This team need some damn attitude folks cause good things happen when they assert themselves.

The only way this works is if you put big physical defenders around these 3. im good with this as long as we can find the right physical SF and long defensive center who can also make a 3 if open.

Great post and I 100% agree with every point you made.

I didn’t realize his tattoo was off centered ….these kids today are hilarious. Anyways I’d still take Zion paired with Trae! Belly and all! ….Fat man can make impact and lawd knows we need size.

At this point I feel like we need to just make an adjustment of putting Hunter on our bench . I know that’s an expensive contract on the bench but since he’s not even considered an avg SF by the numbers maybe we can get his value back up by allowing him to play off the bench. we are either going to have to trade for OG or pay Bey when it’s time. Exactly what I was thinking.

As one of our insiders I’d love for you to ask your sources so we’d know lol but in all seriousness at least in my opinion it’s a mixture of the NBA and flashiness of what the Atlanta market looks for. ATL is truly a flashy city when it comes to professional sports. We don’t want to just win…we want to look good while winning! Living here really makes you realize that lol…for example Matt Ryan was hated here for the most part. I mean hated. When technically he is best franchise QB the falcons has ever had. But falcon fans aka Atlanta fans love flashiness so much Ryan was constantly compared to Vick. I loved Vick when he was here but let’s be real he wasn’t better than Ryan once Marty Ice got pass those horrible early playoff games. At one point I thought maybe it was a black vs white thing here in Atlanta but nope lol…I asked white fans at tons of falcon games who would they rather have Vick vs Ryan and 95% of the white fans always took Vick. My fellow falcon fans believe we created “scrambling” but that’s another topic. when the whole Trae vs Doncic came about and rumors swirled that Trae was wanted because he fits Atlanta flashy persona better I definitely believed it. Perhaps race was a bit of deciding factor but ultimately it was “style of play”…Atlanta loves the cool flashiness of star players and it’s the market we live in and it’s always been that way in my opinion. Trae is a huge asset to this franchise because of what the Atlanta market wants to see…and the Hawks finally got a flashy star in their hands so the goal now is to win but with flashiness. i say all that to say that perhaps other NBA superstars looking at the hawks from the outside don’t believe we are serious about winning. I mean when Johnson was our star the stands weren’t packed until playoffs. Horford complained about the Atlanta fan base cause of this but that team while decent wasn’t flashy or appealing…..these other nba superstars are probably thinking “All Atlanta wants is a show, not a title…just a show” And as for the NBA…this nba is not known for promoting another franchise to the top. They are going to promote the historic franchises until one of the bottom feeders figure out a way to dominate the league….curry’s warriors are a great example of this. So until the hawks become a force the nba will not be helping promote stars teaming up in Atlanta…that’s my theory.

I think we are stuck with Hunter. I think at one point he was highly conveyed due to his prototype more so than his production but with another knee injury on the same knee that gave him issues the earlier seasons I can’t see how he’d have any value for other teams. Hunter is officially injury prone player. Now is that time to move him just to get off his contract like we stupidly did Huerter. For Hunter we have a legitimate reason to just move on from him now. I say trade him for a 1 year contract just to get him off the books at this point. The wait is over, Dre is who he is. Ain’t no coming out party happening. He will likely be another journey man like Cam but may get opportunities like Cam cause of his build.

Well that’s great news if your source was told the truth. I have a hard time believing in Ressler. I do however believe his son loves the team and maybe that’s an influence on him to have more love for this franchise. I know you are stronger in the trade Trae scenario than soft rebuild but I honestly believe the soft rebuild is the better move. If we tried to trade Trae or even put him on the market teams are just going to wait out the two years and throw terrible ass trade offers along the way. The league isn’t fair and Atlanta is a franchise that rarely comes out on top in trades….it just is what it is. I think @terrell gave a good trade too for both teams but deals don’t end fair both ways when the hawks are involved. If we want Zion we are going to have to be ok with getting “robbed” to get him here paired with Trae. I think that’s an expectation that we just have to live with on any soft rebuild plan for a superstar. Pels is going want Bogi, Murray, CC, AJ, a first rd pick in return for Zion and some scrub fillers or any other bad contracts that they may have. sorry to be negative but you have to think of worse case scenario with the hawks and unfair trades to get what you want . Similar to how we landed Murray.

Booker is not a point guard. That’s phx problem today thinking he can run point when he can’t .

@Sothron , @NBASupes, @Vol4ever is there any inside news you can share about Trae & DJ relationship with all these losses ?…..do they still have a high desire to play together?….are they on the same page in terms of what they want for this team ? is Siakam a player that those two guys covet as some sort of missing piece? im really interested to know where these two are with their relationship and going forward. perhaps @macdaddy is right that Trae & DJ and the FO planned to trade Murray cause they knew this wasn’t going to work.

But what does that do for Trae and this franchise? the whole idea of Murray taking a pay cut is to bring in another star player. Why trade Murray for a player who can easily walk away this offseason?

That’s pretty sad. I guess it won’t be too shocking to see the franchise rumored to be up for sale over these next two seasons. i have been to plenty of these hawks games since Trae was drafted and Trae certainly isn’t Kobe but our fans love him to that extent! …that’s probably too many emotions wrapped into Trae but it’s the truth. Trae puts asses in seats. Even when we are losing the crowds are very decent to great. Resselers money will definitely stop IF Trae isn’t a hawk unless we trade for another big name star which again I have zero confidence in happening!…soon as these execs realize Trae is a sure goner they aren’t going to send over fair trades when the chances of pulling him away from Atlanta are greater. Im emotionally attached cause the franchise needed a big name and the hope was that we’d learn to succeed with it. If Trae wants to stay here we need to keep him but if he doesn’t we need to trade him for a star and just be done with it.

I hate to say it but OO has lost his edge under Synder. I believe he still has it but I’m not sure how they’re going to get him going. OO use to play with fire every game. Naturally aggressive despite being a smaller 5….yeah these traits have mysteriously disappeared for him this season.

Yup. im tired of preaching how you have to have length around Trae or Trae/Dj backcourt. its getting old but we get beat up by “bully ball” way too often. Really wish we’d just get some extremely talented physical players in here while we have this short window before Traes next contract.

Many of us are already expecting it honestly. Not really breaking news. The NBA has changed in this regard. On the flip side while I typically agree with most of your points I gotta say I’m still happy Trae pushed the front office and ended the tank years early. i get the whole let’s build it completely out theory but hawks miss too often in the draft and in free agency. I am nba historian when it comes to franchises and our franchise rarely gets lucky, gets it right, anything that relates to contender success. my personal opinion don’t matter but just because Trae said “put a winner “ around me doesn’t mean to throw a bunch of bad contracts to players. The Collins deal should have never happened. I don’t care what anyone says, it was obvious. The Huerter trade was a result of a bad FO and cheap owner. The Collins trade was another result as bad FO. Fast forward to the Murray deal and honestly…us hawk fans just don’t get those kind of opportunities often (as you know). You damn right hawks fans got happy about that deal because we very rarely make good moves. At the end of the day if Trae leaves Atlanta at least I can say that little dude gave all he could and he tried to change the Hawks culture. Shit I love the fact that Trae even tries to recruit!…our last big time star Joe Johnson was so damn quiet I’d be shocked if he did any recruiting. i know you not in love with Trae and I can say some of this can be blamed on him but also some this is a result of a bad front office and ownership of not having a plan once you finally land a star talent for franchise that’s been mediocre for 50+ seasons.