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Wow that's pretty disappointing! But I'm confused! Usually when a player does these things it get put put there. I hate what he did if he really did it but unfortunately this is sports and those guys always get away with things like this most recently Ray rice and Brandon Marshall in the NFL had similar situations...that doesn't make it right of course but I still say ferry and bud should look deeper into lances situations and then make a decision rather than just passing him up. I understand @Dolfan23 how many can hate this dude based off those actions though....if they are all true. I read somewhere that shaq use to rape women during his prime but paid them off to keep quite. I'm not so sure I'm going to pass a chance to sign an elite defender at 23 without getting ALL the facts first.

Did lance put his hands on a woman or child?

Let me put it like this...usually there's something a team is going to have to deal with. For years we had to deal with smiths terrible shot selection but most wanted to keep him cause at one point he was a great rim protector. The kings have to deal with Cousins who's also immature like lance but because centers like cousins are so extinct of course they are keeping him. All I'm saying is that Lance play surpasses his little antics by far and if that's all you got to deal with that's nothing. The pacers chemistry problems didn't start with lance it started with bird trading granger. So what lance got into a fight with turner! These things happen often and clearly the pacers organization don't know how to keep it in house! I'm sure Bruce Bowen, Avery Johnson and some others got into it with their teammates during practice too. Probably Rodman, Pippen too because the all time great MJ was an asshole.

@Dolfan23 Well look dolf...ferry and bud ain't stupid. I'm just giving a fans observation on how I view the troubled lance Stephenson and just kinda making a point that guys like lance can be on championship teams! I mean I have seen Rodman and Artest do worse and call me crazy but if they were young in their prime and I'm gm I would take their crazy asses today just like I would gamble on lance. But there's nothing for hawk fans to worry about I'm sure ferry/bud won't risk money on a guy like lance, again I'm just putting in my 2cents on the guy. To me lance is an elite defender, who will make everyone especially DMC a better defender as well and we will have a better overall team defensively in a major way.

Mavs took a gamble....I feel like the hawks can take a gamble and get the best out of lance. Lance don't respect Vogel but he respects Bird though he disobeyed him (I guess)....bird asked him not to blow in Lebrons ear anymore and he didn't. Everybody see lance as not being mature and so do I to a certain extent but on the flip side he also has more balls than 95% of the people that face off against lebron! Not because he blew in his ear but because he never backs down. Ferry/Bud are going to make the right decision. I'm just saying "hey guys there's a 23 year old elite defender in free agency that's unrestricted and has traits of Rodman/Artest in free agency" If ferry/bud feel like they can handle it like the mavs did with Ellis I'm sure they will go after him.

@Dolfan23 Naw dolf it's just that there's and elite very young perimeter defender in free agency who is unrestricted and well worth 10m. Just saying maybe ferry should really investigate in his so called off court issues and take a look at the guy...

This deserves it's own thread! I trust ferry and bud will take care of the defense issues but I wonder if these stand up guys are looking at lance or not regardless of off court problems. 1. Hawks have a defense problem not just around the goal but on the perimeter. 2. Like lance or not he's an elite defender. 3. Lance is an unrestricted 23 year old elite defender Are character issues really that big of a concern to pass up an elite defensive talent like this?...I see why hawk fans would say no if woody or LD was still the head coach but coach bud can control this guys ego in opinion.

I figured someone would say that...I'm not against swapping Irving/curry or Teague/Lowry

This is my top 10.... 1. Tony Parker 2. Russell Westbrook 3. Damian Lillard 4. Chris Paul 5. Kyrie Irving 6. Steph Curry 7. Kyle Lowry 8. Jeff Teague 9. John Wall 10.Deron Williams Parker is the best PG in the league no question. If not Parker Westbrook then CP3. Wall is not a top 5 PG...in fact he has more flaws in his game than Teague. Also if we compare playoffs Teague was way better than wall and it's no argument. Speaking of Teague him and Lowry are really equal in my opinion. Last I agree with everyone else that deron is on the downfall in a major way.

I don't know squat about bebe other than what you guys are telling me however I have seen some highlights and the guy can really run the floor for a 7 footer! That's intriguing to me that he can play in a fast pace offense and keep up with guards! Maybe I'm crazy but I think his speed alone can impact the NBA right now...chase down blocks, fast break points, weak side defense will be his signature weapons probably. I do think he will struggle in half court because of his size though but luckily there aren't many scoring centers.

Pipe dream of course!...however I wouldn't be shocked if the rumor did have legs not because I want it to but because in Cleveland's case they need to make the playoffs or kyrie will likely walk next off season and they want to entertain the idea of bringing back lebron. To do either one they need veteran all star talent regardless and right now! Assuming the rumors are true: -Cavs want love....... but I doubt love is traded before the next season. It isn't likely to happen. - Cavs want Aldrige......yeah to get Alridge they would have to include kyrie who the blazers don't need! And the number 1 pick to the blazers seem like a waste of time since LA looked like a bonafide superstar against the loaded rockets. -Cavs want Noah......bulls aren't giving up their defense player of the year and anchor of the defense. -Cavs want horford......very possible trade.

Yeah we need that athletic wing that can slash and finish above the rim. ....and shoot ...and play defense! Lol

These are my thoughts as well. Unfortunately I think ferry is going to have to gamble too eventually as I still don't think Atlanta is on that level yet to bring in marquee free agents, however I think coach buds style has made Atlanta look more appealing than ever it's still not enough to bring in a big name star so why not try and draft one and just let coach bud develop him. But ferry/bud are hard to really get what they are going to do when it comes to the draft! They could see a potential star at 15.

Lol you guys are bringing that argument to this thread now! Lmao But seriously bebe's weight isn't concerning me. I say bring him over and let's see what he can do. Also I just don't think bebe can gain a lot of weight looking at his body frame...I think the guy is meant to be skinny like a KG.

Ok I like that....if he reaches full potential he's the next Noah...I can get on board with that only bad thing is that if he takes 2-4 years for him to reach that level (if he reaches that level) we will need another PF soon by that time as horford will be 30 or 31 if he resigns in two years that is.

Good to know....what else you guys got? Anybody actually have a chance to watch him overseas? Isn't he friends with Dwight Howard? I ask cause I was wondering what other players think about him. (Not that it matters)

Lol....thanks

I understand everything is a process but I'm very interested to know some things about bebe that I'm just completely clueless about. So maybe you guys can help me! 1. Should bebe be on the roster next season or is it still too early? 2. What's bebe's offense game like? We know he can run the floor but what else can the guy do?...any post moves in this kid? 3. Does bebe have any offensive potential to drop atleast 10 points a game THIS season if given the minutes? 4. Though he's still small can he make an impact on defense in the NBA right now with his height? Specifically against bigger centers? 5. Is it safe to say if bebe is brought over he will take on the major role to surely be used on bigger centers we play and horford will be moved to the 4? I only ask because I don't hear sh*t about bebe and can't find anything on the guy until it's mentioned here. Im sure most of these questions can't be answered just kinda want your input on how good you think bebe is right now and how good he's going to be.

http://msn.foxsports.com/south/story/nba-draft-preview-potential-first-round-picks-for-hawks-052614 (Didn't see posted)

Oh my! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8_MDi2bZrU Guys whatever ferry and bud do I'm with it! Embiid is a very rare center today and his potential is the highest of any in the draft. Just look at the video above! Man I know ferry and bud knows best but if I could trade horford + Lou + 15th pick for cavs #1 pick + waiters....I'm all for it! Embiid has better post offense than horford at this stage and he can shoot and block, coach bud will make sure he doesn't fail and I'm sure if the trigger is pulled we have a top notch medical staff in place to go about this back issue the right way! This is just another one of those cases like a horford for Anthony David type deal. Maybe ferry and bud will really look into it because embiid could be our Duncan in the future.

I agree and the superstar potential these players have, have a great chance of making that happen under a great development coach like Bud and staff. That's why this is so intriguing! If bud wasn't the coach I probably would be against this but i just feel that bud could coach up any of these guys to reach their full potential...with that said it's still a scary thought to lose horford.

Yeah man you're not the only one that's scared to move horford but if ferry and bud are able to and they feel it's the best move I'm behind it....still scares me! I would hate for that top pick to be a bust but I trust coach buds coach developing.

Can't act like this isn't a big deal....if ferry and bud see any of those guys as a franchise player for the hawks and they pull the trigger assuming the opposing team accept the offer I would trust they know what they are doing.

I'm willing to take a shot on him at 7-9m because I believe in this coaching staff but he will likely get more than that and he's a risk already so unless ferry wants him badly and there are reports that say ferry wants him...Im sticking with no because he will be too much.

Lol hey I can admit to that unlike other posters. I criticized ferry and bud a couple of times but now my feelings are that it's crazy to do so when they are here to change the culture while teaching a winning system! They aren't going to change that in 1 year! It takes a lot of time. After 3-4 years of both bud and ferry being on the job, if the franchise is still in the same place than criticism is fair. And I don't mind opinions. Many of you want asik and I want hawes, if ferry and bud traded sap for asik and we ended up with a worst record the next season I will probably have a lil doubt because it seems like we back tracked but my feelings towards these two now is that a plan is always in place! Trust me I know I sound like a hypocrite right now because of my pass threads. But that's mostly due to me not trusting our coaching staff or gm. I trust these guys, I even trust the ASG a bit more. I really think they want to win and I haven't been this happy about the gm and coach in a long time! Maybe I'm smoking I don't know what's wrong with me but I feel bud can win some coach of the year awards in the near future. I even feel that we would have won 50 games with a healthy team....I guess I see more bright lights in the near future than most of you.