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I don't see what the problem is if Josh is our team MVP.

Good point.

But ZERO playing with Joe Johnson.

I did and it said Josh is the team MVP.

Crawford has actually played in 55 games with the Hawks.

Rebounds Smith 482 Johnson 261 Free Throws Made Smith 194 Johnson 162 FG% Smith .517 Johnson .466 So, um.... You were saying?

You're right I did say that. I think that is part of a different subject and I should have left that out of this thread.

Again, so Josh needs to score 6 more per game? And we're not talking about building a team around, we're talking about team MVP.

Well he only scores 6 per game less than Joe. So you are saying he has to match Joe's scoring despite being ahead of him (or even) in every other category? Being he is ahead of Joe in most categories, and he only averages 6 fewer PPG than him, how many more PPG should Josh have to surpass Joe as team MVP in your opinion? 2 more points per game making it 4 less than Joe? 4 more, being 2 less than Joe? What will it take?

Crawford has never scored 50 playing with JJ. He has done it several times without JJ.

Yeah Joe gets20 a game.. but that's it. Jamal gets 17 coming off the bench. But lets not turn this into a hate Joe thread. Josh gives you a solid performance in so many areas. And he's very disruptive for opposing offenses. Josh is emotional and gets the fans fired up. The team seems to rally behind his exciting and sometimes dominant play. You don't get these things from Joe. You just get 20. If Josh continues improving, very soon he will be one of the best all-around players in the NBA. He's pretty dang good right now.

No other player on the Hawks is more valuable to the teams success than Josh Smith. Horford, Crawford, and Johnson are all good players but none bring the all around dominance that Smith does. I think J Smith should be the player this team builds around. This is all just my opinion. But who else (in your opinion) brings more to the table than Josh?

It's really unfair to other players when you put a starter as a 6th man. Crawford should be starting.

Like someone above said, losing exposes weaknesses. Yes, all teams have weaknesses, but that doesn't mean we (as fans) can't complain about them. I think this is especially common when you are a fan of a team like the Hawks. I believe we feel like the Hawks are close to being elite but lack a few minor details. We just need a little more from Marvin and Bibby. We need a little more discipline from Josh. We need a little more experience for Horford. We need a lot more emotion from our "star" player, but this too is a minor detail and easily fixed. The bench, as a whole (thanks to Crawford), is fine. But individually we need more from them after Crawford. We need Crawford to be healthy. We need Woodson to develop a half court offense when we aren't doing well in the run game. These are all areas of concern that can be fixed. Marvin and Bibby have the talent to be more productive. We have seen it. Josh has been and can be dominant. I think he has been more disciplined than ever and needs to keep his head together just a little more. Hordford is learning and improving with every game. I saw JJ jumping up and down on the game winning 3 pointer from Crawford. So I know he can be emotional. Joe Smith, Mo Evans, and Zaza all have some talent. Crawford will be healthy again very soon. Woodson has to know how to work a half court offense. Maybe he can go back before he started coaching the Hawks and refresh his memory. But all of these are minor. We are close to being an elite team. These "tweaks" just need to be addressed and bitching about them among fans can't be bad. Hopefully the coaching staff is listening.

I stopped reading when he said sign Joe.

I believe Jamal could carry the team. Josh Smith can be dominant at times with his defense. Joe Johnson gets the team fired up often! (Just kidding about Johnson.)

I would say screw the 6th man award and start Crawford. But then Joe would probably hate being the 3rd best starter on the team. Teague is worse than Bibby. Joe may just have to suck it up and deal with it. Horford is becoming the 3rd best player on the team behind Josh and Craw. And will someone buy Joe a new dog? It appears he lost his dog a few years ago and hasn't gotten over it yet. I'm really tired of seeing him act like he's mad at the world. He wasn't friends with Vick was he? :saythat:

Max for a 20 PPG scorer with no emotion, leadership, or clutch abilities? WOW! I really should have played through that shoulder injury in HS and dumped my GF.

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too much for too little.

Yeah, I'm not a big JJ fan but what he said is correct. This team CAN do it, but they'll just have to put a little more effort in it than some of the other teams.

Yeah, the seller should have the tickets. If the seller doesn't have them then who does?

Shakira and Alicia Keys will perform at the All-Star Game. Which one would you meet? AH: Shakira. I want to meet her! I’m a fan of his music and everything he represents. She’s such a good dancer. I think Al is confused or the article is a mis-print. He her she him, lol

I've never bought any basketball tickets but I have bought football tickets many times. Every time I have ever bought any stubhub notifies the seller that his/her tickets have sold. The seller sends the tickets to you using a FedEx label that stubhub emails to them. The tickets I have bought have always been originals. However, most likely just like in football, STH's have the option to email their tickets to buyers. I have both sold and received emailed tickets. So it's very possible that you someone has listed their tickets on stubhub and prefers to email the buyer their tickets. If this happens you'll get an email and you print out a page that then replaces the original tickets. The page is your ticket. The page you print out will have a barcode on it. This barcode will be scanned at the gate. The original tickets are no longer valid after they are emailed. Anyway, hope this helps.

I agree they do not possess the same skill set. Crawford is better.