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Thats just it, over the years the bar for improvement has drasticly lowered. I asked why Billy and Woody have so much security with the owneres? He said they don't, if we have another bad start I.E 2-8, Heads will roll. The way I see it is if we do start off that bad, with the team we have now it will not last. I think that would be a gelling process carried over from preseason. With that said and the fact that It does not take a hell of a lot to improve from last season How bad can Nique look. He told me he worked with Josh Smith for 15 min and changed his whole prospective on Basketball. He told me that he was the reason for The JS change the second half of the season. If that is true then Imagin what he could do with the team for even half a season. Granted he would work better with our bigger men and may leave our back court a little shabby. But isn't our team 70% or better big men. I mean Nique did not have the best handles in the NBA, but he could sure show us some postup moves.

I had a nice long conversation with Nique last week. It was a real talk type conversation where he told me how he really felt and not the typical superstar fan convo. With that in mind I will not discuss the details of the conversation because I am not sure that what he told me would exactly make him employee of the month. But we did discuss his thoughts on being a coach or part of the coaching staff. I know when we brought this up before there were mixed feelings. I just wanted to know what the opinnion of the board was to date. We talked about HawkSquawk he told me that the front office is well aware of Hawksquawk and the opinion of the fans are heavily concidered when making decisions. He told me that in order for him to become coach the "City" would have to get behind him. The City would have be heard. I just wonder what the city (Fans) would have to say when they are heard.

But does anyone have a picture of a players new Jersey? Like The Josh's or the Williams. I know what they have on Hawks.com and NBA.com but I want to see a players jersey. Also am I understanding correctly that the home jersey will have Hawks and the Away Jersey will have Atlanta on it?

I would love to come out and play but during the week would be hard as I work in Macon. I leave work at 5pm usually getting to the south side of ATL about 6pm. I could change before I leave but the best I could do is 6:30 and since it closes at 7 I won't even have time to warm up.

Check Ball Walter.

I am glad you brought the fouls up. What is a foul? Looked it up on NBA.com and they give it as: "A common personal foul is illegal physical contact which occurs with an opponent after the ball has become live or before the horn sounds to end the period." "Blocking is illegal personal contact which impedes the progress of an opponent" "An offensive foul is illegal contact, committed by an offensive player, after the ball is live and there is team control." I guess my question now is what is "legal contact"? How much room for error does this leave us?

If Stern admits there is a problem especialy if he admits there is superstar treatment, then the Jordan's and Kobe's and Birds suddanly loose status. If he does or says nothing then he Stern looses trust and the league will forever be suspect even more so now and will ineveitably loose fans and money.

I was not trying to say I think they should raise the bar as that would be just as bad as lowering the bar. I was trying to say if there is to be any difference in treatment that should be it.

I never understood the reasoning behind the star treatment anyway. In any other arena a person that excels is usually greeted with a more challenging task. In Sports mostly the NBA the person that excels usually gets the easier task. It is like people with the most money getting free and discounted merchandise. Where does this thinking come from anyway? I think if you excel in basketball you should get less calls as you are head and shoulders above the competition.

Quote: Not to big on the jersey thing as my one and only jersey is a Laettner jersey circa...1996 I believe. That's right I said Laettner, what's it to ya? Thats exactly why in the past I would not purchase a Jersey. As soon as you spend the money that person is no longer on your team. I guess that comes from having no real stars. I get so tired of seeing Reef and JT jerseys it sickens me. So I just by them for the season now(hopefully beyond). Since I go to enough games to get some ware out of them. Then I will retire them up in the rafters of my hawks room.

Because I am strange like this, I will do like the last style and my first jersey will probably be Salim Stoudamire if he is still here. Then I will probably go with Solomon Jones. After that I will go down the list with Joe, JS, Horford, Chill, Law......until I get in trouble and wifie tells me I can't buy anymore I have to many.

I don't care how professional you are or how much of an adult you are. At some point the immaturity in you will show. I just don't see a grown man, being told what he can not do when he wants to do it, can come in and give you 110%. Thus the disgruntled employee affect. If these are vital pieces to your puzzle then why would you want them in your organization half azzing around? We had bad enough a coaching situation in Atlanta now they don't even want to be here and are being held against their will.........Some how playoff contender just does not seem to get me all goosie right now.

Quote: Here's where it gets interesting: say we go ahead and give Smoove and Chillz extensions starting at the above figures. That gives us 10 players for 08-09, at about $55M. The cap will probably be $58-60M. That only give us maybe $4M to work with, and team are required to carry 13 contracts. We might be forced to sign 3 guys at minimum contracts. You can easily imagine a scenario in which our artificial salary cap constraints directly clash with CBA roster requirements. If we increase our future salary commitments in this offseason, it will get really interesting. I guess this would be assuming we don't trade away some of those contracts by next year. If we buy someone out of a contract I.E Speedy, how does that work?

Can't do. I will be at Phillips.

The Uni is cool. It is just the red and black have become a lifestyle for me. Most if not all of my athletic ware sport the red and black colors.

I have two uncles that are season ticket holders in Memphis. Both would be happy to see Pau go. They laughed at us for taking Wright last year and they are begging us to take Pau this year. What that tells us I don't know but look what we got in Wright last year after they laughed at us. With this said. I want to give them as little as possible and I definantly don't want to disrupt any starter on our team.

I will always be a fan. No matter what.

When all looks lost reboot. Been there done that. We need something else. The reboot has not worked. We need to rework. I have an ideal. Lets revamp the coaches contract and make it based on his wins. You get paid per game. Kind of like getting paid hourly vs salary. The games you win you get full pay the games you loose you get half pay. While you are at it lets do the same for the players. The blow out games you get over time. I think we see more wins what do you think. Lets work on fan participation. Lets utilize some of our tax write-offs. Lets do some give aways and promo's. Some contest some better entertainment. Well I will say more entertainment how about that. Fill the stands so the team can have someone to play for and feel good for when they win. How about selling your players to the fans. Make them local hero's so the kids just have to see them. I think we can work on the intangibles and get this team back on target. And lets leave Microsoft out of this.

Quote: Mike Woodson is a terrible coach, but if anybody thinks Salim is ever going to become a 34 mpg guy in the NBA, they're kidding themselves. He cannot create his own shot, he plays bad defense (despite what the Salimophiles say, "he's an underrated defender," yeah yeah I've seen him play and that's BS...he gambles and gets a steal occasionally but usually he gets burned), and bad things tend to happen when he puts the ball on the floor. . Guys like him are expected to play limited minutes and hit shots. If he can't hit shots with limited minutes, he doesn't belong in the NBA. Dude, you are trippin'. I remember not so long ago we could not figure out for the life of us why Josh Smith was chucking up 3's that he would rarely make. Yes he had a short run where he made some but he did not make nearly enough to take them at will as he did. Then even more recently even sometimes now when Josh is driving with the ball it makes you wanna go down and smack every decision maker on the bench. And let’s not talk about how Josh Commits at almost every shot to make the block and when he misses he is burned in the worst way because he has jumped so high that he can not get back into play. Now he is either going to foul or his man has blew buy him and scored. To quote you "he gambles on the block and gets a block occasionally but usually he gets burned and bad things usually happen when he puts the ball on the floor." However all hail praises go to J-smooth because he has numbers. Yes he has numbers he has more PT and because of it he has become more patient with his shot selections, less anxious with his dribbles and an all-around better ball player. Bottom line more PT creates better B-Ball IQ thus making a better player out of those with the talent. You can train until you are blue in the face but until you are in a live situation you don’t know what you can do. So to all the slim haters, you have to identify with the man. He sits in the expensive seats and when his number is called he wants to shine. No I am not going to go on the floor and just pass the ball to the star and waste my five min of fame shoot I am out there trying to become a super star and if I have to shoot until you see it so be it but before I sit down and get traded or sent to d’league I am going to try something. Give the man some PT and you will see that chucking go down a more consistent shot form and as a result of that a better ball passer. Use your brain silly, quit hating.

You know I was begining to think that I was the only salim fan. People always give me that questioned look when I ware his Jearsey. As if being a hawks fan wasn't enough. I had to add to it buy waring a non starters Jearsey. But I love his speed his quick shot and ball handleing. I just wish the coach could see what I see. But then again Soloman would be in the line up also.

As long as I have been on this board I could not figure out where to post this post. Well I have 4 Tickets for Sale for Saturdays game. Sec 206 Row c seats 11-14. I will let them go for $60 or a Josh Smith Bobble Head just in case someone here has it. I am trying to complete my collection. PM me or contact me however you feel is best. I will not be able to answer until about 10 PM today however I will look at the time the first message was sent to me and contact you back in that order. Thanks and if this is the incorrect etiquette for this board please forgive me. I usually want tickets not sale them.

Can we please stop quoting Hotlanta1981 I have him blocked and I still have to see his nonsense. I wish his parents would let him out of the attic so he can go play with the other kids. When he learns to share and play well with others then maybe he will have a more positive outlook on life. But for now playstation/Xbox seem to have clouded his judgment and distorted his basketball IQ.

Now, I would be happy with that. I think that would be worth a 4 year wait. It satisfies a thirst for today and promises tomorrow.

Maybe now that JJ is an allstar he will step up. Now wouldn't that be nice. JJ better than before? Has to be nasty!!!!

I am a bit confused. I am not sure you are saying Chill is a poor defender, rather stating that GS had his number as the Nets had JJ's number. Yes I was fustrated last night when people were blowing buy him at will. But this is not a nightly occurance. Or is it and I just can't see it because I see the offence in him so much?