More stats that might surprise you

[Diesel]

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How do you know that good defense didn't translate into easy buckets, which in turn led to a higher FG% which in turn led to winning more?

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Check the Number of Steals from first half to Second...

In the first half of the season we had 337 steals.

In the second half of the season we had 330 steals.

If it were easy buckets because of defense, you would think that those easy buckets would be by steals (as a major contributor) right. However the numbers show that we had MORE steals in the first half of the season (before IRA) than the second.

Like I said and the NUMBERS Prove. It was Mostly our offense. All of you guess work can be proved or disproved. AnD RIGHT NOW.. MY proof is outshining yours.

[Diesel]

Again, as I said during the season our team had to be built to OUTSCoRE others. YOU SEE PROOF. Overwhelming proof that shows that it was not our defense that won games or lost games. It was our offense. AND LACK Of consistent scoring led to most of our losses. However, when we won, it was a 12 point swing in our offense. OUR OFFENSE was responsible for weather we won or loss.

What IDIOT would doubt the facts.

Also, if you think Defense is SO Precious... Where does Dallas rank defensively? Tell the truth too because we WERE NOT 2nd worst defensively. DALLAS WAS!!!!

[Teeareess]

You can analyze boxscores all you want. I'll stick to watching games. There isn't really a question. The major difference between the first half, where we lost most of our games, and the second half, where we played much better, was our defense.

[Diesel]

Maybe your focus was on defense... However, when we WON games, the numbers say it was our OFFENSE putting up 12 more ppg than when we lost games.

Again, I like watching the games too. However, we all can be subjective and prejudice when it comes to what we see... However, NUMBERS don't lie and Numbers don't judge. Numbers get right down to the truth of the matter. And in this case, the truth is that even with the gains we showed in our defense. It was our offense which determined weather we won or loss.

[Sage11]

Defense wins championships. Where did LA rank on offense and Defense???? I am sure you know. I know you are not suggesting that we simple ignore defense. Common sense tells you that both offense and defense are part of the game and both are needed. One should not be ignored at the cost of the other. In playoff ball defense is vital to get key stops to win a game. If you cannot stop the other team you will eventually watch others play in june no matter how good your offense is (i.e. Dallas and Sactown). You must have solid defense and it is silly to argue otherwise.

[Diesel]

LAL : Defensive =10th. Offensive = 3rd.

Even though both offense and defense are a part of the game, offense is more important than defense. The reason it's important to know that is so that we would know that it's a waste to go out and pay Ira a Bowen like Contract because he is a defensive specialist. Defense is not as important as offense. It's important because we need to know that having Glover's offense on the floor may turn out to be more important than Ira's defense.

[Sage11]

My point is that both are important. The Lakers are in the top ten for both categories, that should tell you something if you are willing to listen. In the playoffs Defense is essential to winning any series. If the Kings could have stopped Shaq who do you think would have won the series?

I recognize that we must score points but no team will be good until they can muster some defensive stops.....

[Diesel]

Has anybody ever stopped Shaq?

The two best defensive teams last yr were Miami and Philly. Do you think that they could have stopped Shaq?

Defense is needed and good to have, however, instead of doing the impossible (stopping Shaq), it's better if you can find a way to outscore your opponents. NOW, had Peja been Healthy, stopping Shaq would have been irrelevant. It took the Lakers 7 games and an overtime to beat an injured Kings team. It wasn't the Kings defense that let them down, it was their health.

[TrentL2]

I admire your imagination, the way you pick up various explanations why your view is the right way to look at things. Diesel is the worst guy to argue with in this forum. I don't wanna take a side on this never mindpatricular subject. On the ohter hand, I'm pretty drunk right now, so never mind...

[Teeareess]

Buy you are being subjective and prejudiced by your decision to only look at some of the numbers.

You can't take one or two stats from games you didn't watch and pretend that you can properly disect a game.

[Diesel]

Honestly TRS,

haven't you ever went to a game, watched it. Then later on heard that a certain player scored a certain amount of points and said to yourself... "wow, it really didn't seem like he scored that many"

I'm being honest today. That has happened to me a few times. What it tells me is that when you are not focused on a certain part of the game, you tend to disregaurd it.

For instance, I saw quite a few Hawks game last season. However, it bowled me over to hear that we scored 12 more points in our wins than we did in our losses? Honestly... Did you know that the difference was that big? I mean, you watched many games too. Probably more than I did... Did you really realize that?

I would tend to think No. Reason being is that when we were winning, you come to this board and all you ever heard about was our defense. However, the defensive numbers were not that much different. In fact, we had more steals when we were losing. However, we got so caught up of looking at the different of personnell on defense (Ira vs. Toni, DJ vs. JT) that we failed to see that in our wins, it was really the OFFENSE which made the most difference.

[Guest Walter]

That's our opponent's PPG average in our losses.

Only 3 teams in the NBA could have won (half their) games (meaning they averaged scoring more than 100.7 PPG) allowing that many PPG and all were WC conference teams (LA, SAC, and Dallas) who averaged as a whole 3.7 PPG more (97.4 to 93.7) than EC teams. In fact, our 94 PPG scoring average was above the EC scoring average of 93.7 PPG. Were were above average in terms of scoring for our conference!!!!!!!!

Defensively, we (98.3 PPG), for the season (including our short period with Ira in the starting lineup), ALLOWED 3.8 PPG MORE than our EC counterparts (94.5 PPG) did on average!

Thus, we were above average in the EC in terms of offense and WELL below average in the EC in terms of defense!

Truth be known, our biggest problem wasn't offense or defense, but rather playing away. We were 23-18 at home and 10-31 away.

W

[Diesel]

Walter, that's a lot of BS you just posted..> What's wrong, scared to tell the truth. Well, I Will!!

Here's our offense.

IN wins we scored 101 ppg

In losses we scored 89 ppg.

Difference 12 ppg.

Here's our defense.

In Wins we gave up 95 ppg.

In losses we gave up 101 ppg.

Difference 6 ppg.

It's evident that our offense was more responsible for why we won or lost than our defense.

For the simpleton... Outscoring our opponents worked much better than trying to stop them.

[Guest Walter]

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"In Wins we gave up 95 ppg.

In losses we gave up 101 ppg.

Difference 6 ppg."

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In wins we gave up 91.9 PPG for a difference of 8.8 PPG.

And I repeat WE WERE .3 PPG ABOVE AVERAGE IN TERMS OF SCORING BUT WE WERE 3.7 PPG B-E-L-O-W (meaning we gave up 3.7 MORE PPG than the average EC team) AVERAGE IN TERMS POINTS ALLOWED IN THE EC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which begs the question...

If you're 2 FGs BELOW average on defense and above average on offense relative to your conference counterparts, what do you need to improve more?

Diesel, assuming you are better than average looking relative to the average male, but knowing that you are obviously considerably less intelligent, given both looks and intelligence are equal, what are you going to focus on more to make a success of yourself?

W

[Diesel]

Don't taint the conversation with your wrong Numbers.

We gave up 8058 points total.

In losses we gave up 4934 pts

In wins we gave up 3124 pts.

Over 33 wins we averaged 94.7 ppg.

I rounded up to 95.

In our 49 losses we averaged 100.7 ppg.

Walter, I know that you will lie about a stat if I let you so I took my time organizing the right numbers. If you want to argue... Fine. BUT don't try to make up stuff.

[Diesel]

Why would a WCU graduate dare try to brag about Intelligence?

They give out WCU diplomas over the mail and in your local Kmart with the purchase of 3 2 Liter Pepsi Products.

Please.

[Guest Walter]

...but a 3.7 GPA and the University's Philosopher of the Year award don't sound too bad.

W

[Guest]

Could we please PLEASE not start weighitng people's comments based on their highest level of education or where it was obtained? I mean honestly. I'd wager that some very intelligent and insightful comments have been made on this board by people who didn't finish HS. Does that make what they say any less correct...HELL NO! In my experience, they don't really teach sports analysis in most college curriculums. I know I've made some mistaken/ dumb comments before, and will again, but I know that it had anything to do with a lack of formal education. To think otherwise...this is simply rediculous.

[Diesel]

You mean that you are the top idiot in a university full of idiots?

Good Job.

I guess those 3 Pepsi did you well?