DavidSomerset Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Next season??? I would be happy with 15 pts and 7 or 8 rebs, don't know if he can do that though. Will he be starting next year, also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 tough to say when we don't know who we are drafting, trading for and signing ask again in october Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascar78 Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 The biggest question here is whether Al is here or not. Too hard to answer until we at least know that and who we draft. If we let al go and draft foye, marvin get a lot more opportunity than if we re-sign al and draft shelden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vdunkndunk Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I think 15 points, 7 rebounds is a realistic expectation. I would at least expect him to average that for the second half of next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 15 and 7 is a realistic expectation for Marvin. Over the last three months of the season, Marvin was averaging right at 15.4 P/40 and 7.1 R40 while shooting 45% and getting to the free throw line a lot. If he is given starters minutes, 15 and 7 will probably be the low end of what he will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBob Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: If he is given starters minutes, 15 and 7 will probably be the low end of what he will do. Yes. Let's trade him immediately while his stock is still high. It would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: ...If he is given starters minutes, 15 and 7 will probably be the low end of what he will do. Do you really think Marvin will be our starting 3 next year? Even if we get a PG - if we start Best PG we can get JJ Marvin Smoove Zaza We would be looking at 26 wins again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 He may not start next year, but I bet he gets starters minutes at both the small forward and power forward positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnybravo4 Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: Quote: ...If he is given starters minutes, 15 and 7 will probably be the low end of what he will do. Do you really think Marvin will be our starting 3 next year? Even if we get a PG - if we start Best PG we can get JJ Marvin Smoove Zaza We would be looking at 26 wins again. I disagree. The only way we are back at 26 is if Marvin Smoove, and Zaza didn't improve one iota in the offseason, and if they didn't, it doesn't matter who we add in FA, we are going to stink. I have more faith than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Well I'm not saying there won't be improvement on the part of MW and JS...but will it overcome losing Al's offense? Al's offensive post moves are dismissed on this board as just so much of nothing, but at least he is a scorer down low. If we lose him and our only real help we get is a PG we are still going to get killed in the paint and will score even less there. That would be a tough situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: 15 and 7 is a realistic expectation for Marvin. Over the last three months of the season, Marvin was averaging right at 15.4 P/40 and 7.1 R40 while shooting 45% and getting to the free throw line a lot. If he is given starters minutes, 15 and 7 will probably be the low end of what he will do. 40 minutes a game isn't starters minutes, those are superstar's minutes. Only 9 players last year averaged over 40 mpg. A more realistic mpg for a starter is between 30-35 and I think Marvin could put in those minutes. But it is way too early to project his points and rebounds when we don't know if Al will return or any other roster changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 i think the loss of Al will be counteracted (HOPEFULLY) by the defense of our new big man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: i think the loss of Al will be counteracted (HOPEFULLY) by the defense of our new big man I believe that can happen DH. The discussion was about Marvin getting "starter minutes" however. That lead me to believe that the expectation was that Marvin would be our starting 3 next year and JS our starting 4. Since there aren't any dominant bigmen that we can get at the 5 spot in the draft that would likely outplay Zaza next year, that would mean our front line would have to be MW/JS/Zaza for the sake of this arguement. That's what I would see as trouble. I'm pretty sure it's not going to happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Don't get me wrong. Al Harrington is a very good offensive player in the low post, and he's got decent range. He can't do much off the dribble, but he's a very solid player. Al Harrington needs to be on a team that will play him as a power oriented small forward though. When he's at power foward, his defensive liabilities are exploited. The direction the Hawks have chosen in their rebuiding relative to the type of team they want doesn't leave much room for Al long term. He's basically without a position in Atlanta, and long term, he would probably be more of a sixth man with the way this team is being structured. The Hawks could have chosen to build the team a different way, had they decided to use Al Harrington as more of a power oriented small forward. They have chosen to be more of an athletic, get up and down the floor team instead of being a power oriented team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: but will it overcome losing Al's offense? Al's offensive post moves are dismissed on this board as just so much of nothing, but at least he is a scorer down low. When Al was out, either missing game or taking extended breaks during games, the Hawks didn't have much trouble scoring. Al was out during the Hawks biggest scoring game of the season. And the Hawks went on consistent runs when Al went to the bench. The big reasons were; -better defense. stops and turnovers leading to fast breaks. -much quicker ball movement resulting in better looks. -more off the ball movement among the players, since it is hard to get a lot of movement when one guy is pounding the ball into the floor. -the young guys looking to score instead of deferring to Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: Next season??? I would be happy with 15 pts and 7 or 8 rebs, don't know if he can do that though. Will he be starting next year, also? MW not be able to match Al's contribution (and shouldn't be able to at this time), nor with he or JS remotely have MW post-up game. This team will struggle without it. Unless our draft pick or a player traded for Al makes up for the loss, even MW playing better won't make us better. I predict 13 points, 6.5 rebounds a game in 28-32 MPG. W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 we'll be fine without al we did very well in points-in-paint in games al didn't play and we scored very well both last year and the previous year when al/toine were both out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Quote: we'll be fine without al we did very well in points-in-paint in games al didn't play and we scored very well both last year and the previous year when al/toine were both out ...but nobody save JJ wants the ball and knows what to do with it the way Al did (poor shot selection and TOs aside). That will come with time but perhaps not next season. "We'll be fine" doesn't sound all too encouraging regardless. My opinion is well known. I think this team is very flawed even to the point of being a Frankenstein team. Far too many skill sets and positions are lacking or unfilled in favor of redundancy and we simply lack a superstar. That will continue to play out on the court. W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeye Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 Quote: Quote: I predict 13 points, 6.5 rebounds a game in 28-32 MPG. W [/indent] That's about fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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