Better coaching/execution would solve trade issues

[WorldBFree]

yes, another consistent threat from the perimeter would be a great answer to the double-teaming of JJ.

but so would decent-freakin execution of a half-court offense!

this was my first year as a season-ticket holder, so i got to see a lot more of each game than TV shows. and what i saw on offense was pathetic. NO off-ball movement. none. literally 85% of Hawks possessions were ball-handler (usually JJ) trying to take his defender while the other four players cleared out of the way and either a) stood still, waving their hand in the air asking for a pass, or b) stood still waiting to see if JJ would shoot (and maybe, just maybe, they'd rush toward the basket for a potential rebound).

for me, it's hard to speculate on who (if anyone) the Hawks should trade for b/c i can't see anyone making a big difference if the offensive set is more of the same.

imo, it's irrelevant whether the problem is that Woody doesn't actually coach movement or call for particular plays to be run OR he is doing that but the players aren't listening, b/c both causes point to a coaching problem (unless someone is suggesting that ATL should get rid of its roster and start over).

it'd be interesting to see what would happen if, while JJ had the ball, the other Hawks were running around, trying to get open, setting real screens, etc. we might discover that everyone's 3pt FGP would increase in a world where they were more open and got the ball with a defender not standing beside them (as they stand still).

until the offense looks more like a legit basketball TEAM and less like a hot mess of playground 'ballin', it's hard to say what player(s) would really be the solution.

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that everyone's 3pt FGP would increase in a world where they were more open and got the ball with a defender not standing beside them (as they stand still).

Woody sucks for sure but Smith couldn't possibly be more open at the three point line than he already is. Marvin never tries to step behind the line.

A better coach is a must in my view but a better coach won't change the fact that we lack shooting and size inside.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Bibby was that solution for about a 3 week stretch in March. People are kind of forgetting that. Then he started playing like crap, and we started to become highly inconsistent because he wouldn't stop shooting.

Bibby in March ( 17 games ):

15.5 ppg

6.8 apg

82% FT

44% FG

39% 3FG ( hit 38 threes )

Hawks record: 9 - 8 ( won 8 of their last 10 to close the month )

Bibby in April ( 8 games ):

13.4 ppg

6.3 apg

100% FT ( went 8 - 8 from the line )

37% FG

33% 3FG

Hawks record: 3 - 5 ( although we easily could've been 4 - 4 if we played regular rotation the usual minutes vs Miami )

Bibby in the playoffs ( 7 games ):

10.3 ppg

3.1 apg

66% FT

34% FG

29% 3FG ( 7 - 24 from 3 )

Bibby in the games @ Boston during the playoffs ( 4 games )

6.25 ppg

1.25 apg

80% FT ( 8 - 10 from the line . . . ALL in Game 2 )

25% FG ( 7 - 28 from the field )

25% 3FG ( 3 - 12 from 3 )

When this team has good PG play, whether it be Bibby, Acie, or even when AJ was here, this team won. When the PG plays like crap, we lose most of the time.

[WorldBFree]

you're right about Smith, and in all honesty, ATL needs him taking LESS 3pt shots, not more.

i do think the needs of the team are harder to gauge and harder to fix with such a poor offensive system being run.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

The "system" looked pretty good, when Bibby was playing well. People forget that we had Tyronn Lue, Royal Ivey, Anthony Johnson, Salim Stoudamire, Josh Childress, Acie Law, and Joe Johnson trying to play PG here at some point in the past 4 years. Bibby is the first legit guy we've had here . . but even he isn't legit when he's not making shots.

Most good to great offensive systems, have a good to great PG running the show.

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The "system" looked pretty good, when Bibby was playing well. People forget that we had

Tyronn Lue, Royal Ivey, Anthony Johnson, Salim Stoudamire, Josh Childress, Acie Law, and Joe Johnson

trying to play PG here at some point in the past 4 years. Bibby is the first legit guy we've had here . . but even he isn't legit when he's not making shots.

Most good to great offensive systems, have a good to great PG running the show.

well we don't have a system period so that doesn't apply here.Chris Paul would look average under Woody.He can't throw oops to the big man if he stands still the whole time.He can't kick it out to a guy for an open shot because he'd be easily covered because he's been standing in one place for 24 seconds.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

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The "system" looked pretty good, when Bibby was playing well. People forget that we had

Tyronn Lue, Royal Ivey, Anthony Johnson, Salim Stoudamire, Josh Childress, Acie Law, and Joe Johnson

trying to play PG here at some point in the past 4 years. Bibby is the first legit guy we've had here . . but even he isn't legit when he's not making shots.

Most good to great offensive systems, have a good to great PG running the show.

well we don't have a system period so that doesn't apply here.Chris Paul would look average under Woody.He can't throw oops to the big man if he stands still the whole time.He can't kick it out to a guy for an open shot because he'd be easily covered because he's been standing in one place for 24 seconds.

Cwell . . . that is complete BS. Woody dang near gave Bibby complete control of the offense as soon as he got here. Our offense looked much, much better with Bibby . . when he passed and shot the ball halfway decent.

Woody would give Paul free reign in this offense, and he'd instantly make everyone on the team more efficient . . starting with our captain. He'd damn near demand the ball from Smoove every time he try to race the ball up the court, because he'd tell Smoove that he'd find him for a highlight dunk about 2 - 3 times a game, just off the fast break. And JJ would never have to worry about playing long stretches at the point ever again.

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The "system" looked pretty good, when Bibby was playing well. People forget that we had

Tyronn Lue, Royal Ivey, Anthony Johnson, Salim Stoudamire, Josh Childress, Acie Law, and Joe Johnson

trying to play PG here at some point in the past 4 years. Bibby is the first legit guy we've had here . . but even he isn't legit when he's not making shots.

Most good to great offensive systems, have a good to great PG running the show.

well we don't have a system period so that doesn't apply here.Chris Paul would look average under Woody.He can't throw oops to the big man if he stands still the whole time.He can't kick it out to a guy for an open shot because he'd be easily covered because he's been standing in one place for 24 seconds.

Cwell . . . that is complete BS. Woody dang near gave Bibby complete control of the offense as soon as he got here. Our offense looked much, much better with Bibby . . when he passed and shot the ball halfway decent.

Woody would give Paul free reign in this offense, and he'd instantly make everyone on the team more efficient . . starting with our captain. He'd damn near demand the ball from Smoove every time he try to race the ball up the court, because he'd tell Smoove that he'd find him for a highlight dunk about 2 - 3 times a game, just off the fast break. And JJ would never have to worry about playing long stretches at the point ever again. no northcyde that's complete BS.Woody would have NEVER gave Paul or any rookie PG the reigns of the team.Paul wasn't a 9 year vet coming out.Even with Bibby,the other guys still stood around most of the time.

[DrReality]

There is a silver lining in all of this . . . that getting a decent coach could be like adding a major addition to the team. We don't know how good they are or what they can do other than the one man offense.

I hope that the bs about keeping Woody is just a pr move to show good will toward him when in fact they are planning to bring in a GM and let him decide. Which is a good PR move and not perpetuate a lot of speculation in the mean time.

Just think these guys with a viable coach. That's exciting.

[thefloydian]

I really hope you're right, because I don't know if I can stand to watch another year of Woody ball.