Synergy Sports tells it all about Hawks

[Plainview1981]

Kyle Korver

We all know what Kyle is. He's a 3 point specialist that will take about 55% of his shots from 3 point range. And to be more specific on offense, he's going to have 3 shot types

Spot Up . . . 38.8% of his shots . . . 33.3% FG . . . 0.87 ppp

Off Screen . 23.8% of his shots . . . 47.1% FG . . . 1.11 ppp

Transition . . 22.5% of his shots . . . 64.7% FG . . . 1.78 ppp

And let's focus on the transition opportunities for a minute. He's shooting 71% from three point range in transition, making 10 of his 14 threes off the break. Teague is doing a really good job in finding Korver when he gets the ball and pushes it up the court. He's not out of control and is actively looking for Korver, who shoots it as soon as he catches it from Teague ( or Josh on some plays ).

Overall defensively, Korver has been ( dare I say it . . ) stellar on defense. Opponents are only shooting 32% FG against him.

They are also only shooting 4 - 24 ( 17% ) from 3 when he's guarding them. I don't know if people are really noticing it during games, but he really closes out hard on jumpshooters. In the past, guys like Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, and sometimes Josh Smith were notorious for weak closeouts on 3 point shooters. But you can tell that Thibodeau in Chicago really stressed this to Korver. No such thing as "hand down, man down" with Kyle.

I've heard people say that he is better on the defensive end than people expect.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Zaza Pachulia

Yes, Zaza is still "Turnover Pachulia" so far this season ( turns it over on 24% of the plays he's involved in ). Yes, he's still an offensive rebound demon. Yes, he's still the only true center on the Hawks. But in the role that he plays, he's been solid on both offense and defense. If he can continue to hold his man to under 35% FG shooting, it may propel him to a starter's role if Horford continues to struggle vs bigger and/or faster players.

Ivan Johnson

Still shooting almost 70% FG ( on a wide variety of shots ). Still fouling at a Summer League rate ( basically a foul every 6 minutes ). But with the way this dude plays in just a short amount of minutes, I'm just glad ( hopefully ) that Drew has come to his senses and has given him double figure minutes the last 3 games. And in those last 3 games, he's averaging

10 ppg

4.7 rebs

1.7 stls

and has shot 70% FG ( 14 - 20 FGs. ) . . in just 18 minutes of play

Stop holding the dude back and let him play. Gonna have that dude singing Rick Ross songs, talking about . . . . "Coach Drew tryna hold me back . . D. Ferry tryna hold me back."

[Guest]

Great confidence in the data? The data is what it is.

This is exactly why people laugh at any analysis of or complaints about statistics you have. You clearly have no knowledge of what is going on. Why not start up another thread about how eFG% is sooooo bad and always lies? That was a real laugher for me.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Deshawn Stevenson

After the red hot start, Deshawn is starting to cool off dramatically ( 2 for his last 15 from three ). And it doesn't help that of the 40 shots he's taken, 33 of them have been 3s. So as he reverts to how he shot the ball last season, he becomes more and more one dimensional.

Anthony Morrow

As Stevenson continues to struggle with his shot, and Harris continues to be lackluster when he plays the 2, Drew is going to have to consider playing Morrow a little more. ( Should be a lot more, honestly ). Small sample size, but he's shooting 48% FG and 50% 3FG. He's scoring almost a point every 2 minutes. Drew shouldn't continue to play ineffective players, when you have guys who can produce. If that means taking Harris completely out of the rotation so that Morrow can play more, so be it.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

This is exactly why people laugh at any analysis of or complaints about statistics you have. You clearly have no knowledge of what is going on. Why not start up another thread about how eFG% is sooooo bad and always lies? That was a real laugher for me.

I understand the game far more than you do sir. I'm not just tossing out a bunch of numbers. I'm tossing out the numbers and telling you why they are occurring ( via the video clips I can look at to back up my opinions and by the games I've already watched of this team ). Most people already knew all of this, but may not have known the details behind the numbers. That's what this thread is about, when it comes to people like Josh, Al, Teague, and Lou. People like you would be cool with Josh Smith jacking up 3 pointers left and right, if he could make 30% of them, because you'd justify that he's "effectively" shooting 45% on that shot. That's when looking at the stats, and not watching what is really going on, gets you in trouble. Or in other words . . . as long as people say something positive about Smith, there is no problem. But when people start talking negative about the dude, the excuse is . . "Oh just give him time. He'll snap out of it." Well let's see how long it takes for him to snap out of it. I'll update this thread after Game #20, and see how these players are progressing. You can either choose to view the thread, or not. Your choice.

[MrMeltdown]

So, I guess in a nutshell that Teague should give up 5 or 6 of his 11 or 12 shots to Josh. That would mean Josh would be getting 20 plus shots a game and cant shoot for chit,makes little to no sense considering Josh is not going to stop the bleeding on any of his self inflicted wounds, he will not change but everyone else should.

Edited November 21, 2012 by MrMeltdown

[Guest]

People like you would be cool with Josh Smith jacking up 3 pointers left and right, if he could make 30% of them, because you'd justify that he's "effectively" shooting 45% on that shot. That's when looking at the stats, and not watching what is really going on, gets you in trouble.

You also have no perspective or any semblance of knowledge for what I actually have to say about basketball. To say I want Josh shooting 3s is a complete mischaracterization for what I have talked about with him. If it is an option down to a long 2 or a 3 then hell yes he shoots the 3, only a moron would say the other. That does not imply I think he should be hanging out there in the first place. You are generalizing others and just exuding ignorance and bullshit any time you open your mouth about statistics. Didn't you come up with northcyde jumpshot index? I think it had something to do with adding the feet away from the basket to their FG% or something ridiculous like that. Yeah, that along with your discussion on eFG% settles it for me. Do you even understand why small sample size is a problem? This whole thread tells me you don't.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

You also have no perspective or any semblance of knowledge for what I actually have to say about basketball. To say I want Josh shooting 3s is a complete mischaracterization for what I have talked about with him. If it is an option down to a long 2 or a 3 then hell yes he shoots the 3, only a moron would say the other. That does not imply I think he should be hanging out there in the first place. You are generalizing others and just exuding ignorance and bullshit any time you open your mouth about statistics. Didn't you come up with northcyde jumpshot index? I think it had something to do with adding the feet away from the basket to their FG% or something ridiculous like that. Yeah, that along with your discussion on eFG% settles it for me. Do you even understand why small sample size is a problem? This whole thread tells me you don't.

Aren't you Mr. Win Score per 48? Tell me who the leaders are in that category for the Hawks . . . or is the sample size too small for that, to let you know who is actually playing well and having an impact in games. You don't need a 25 game sample size to let you know what guys are doing well and what they aren't. Like with Kyle Korver tonight. 1 - 5 from 3 going into halftime . . and I know that 3 of those misses came in spot up jumper type situations in the halfcourt. That's the rype of 3 point shot he's struggled with so far this year, while he's damn near made everything in transition from the 3 point line. Meanwhile, Midrange Shawty has only taken 2 jumpshots total, and is beasting on the inside via some nice passes from Devin Harris, and has even converted a few post ups. He's even making his FTs. You don't need a 25 game data set to let you know what the guy should, and shouldn't be doing. Like I said dude. You don't have to read the thread, if you don't think the data is of any consequence because of the sample size. Just bypass the thread and save yourself the "grief" of having to sift through what the early numbers are telling us about the Hawks.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

So, I guess in a nutshell that Teague should give up 5 or 6 of his 11 or 12 shots to Josh. That would mean Josh would be getting 20 plus shots a game and cant shoot for chit,makes little to no sense considering Josh is not going to stop the bleeding on any of his self inflicted wounds, he will not change but everyone else should.

Josh is having an excellent offensive game so far tonight ( midway in the 3rd as I type this ), because he's letting the guards create point blank looks for him at the rim. Only 3 total jumpers for him right now. Everything is around the rim. It's the way he should ALWAYS play.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

And Korver makes another 3 pointer in transition.But the sample size is too small . . lol.

[Guest]

The search tool for Hawksquawk isn't working right, but thanks to google I was able to find something that totally melted my brain by its stupidity:

http://hawksquawk.ne...jumpshot-index/

Where I think this is summed up perfectly by my single favorite post all-time on the 'squawk:

Zack's Scrabble Score Factor: the total value of the player's surname in Scrabble.

It's a corrolary I developed for NSJI, since both are irrelevant.

http://hawksquawk.ne..._45#entry394738

Yeeeaaaaahhhh. Kids, stay in school. And North, you should actually look up sample size and why it is important because you obviously have no sense in why we should care about it. I am not about to delve into a dissertation like post to explain statistics, as far as I know only Lascar has been able to do that.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

The search tool for Hawksquawk isn't working right, but thanks to google I was able to find something that totally melted my brain by its stupidity: http://hawksquawk.ne...jumpshot-index/ Where I think this is summed up perfectly by my single favorite post all-time on the 'squawk: http://hawksquawk.ne..._45#entry394738 Yeeeaaaaahhhh. Kids, stay in school. And North, you should actually look up sample size and why it is important because you obviously have no sense in why we should care about it. I am not about to delve into a dissertation like post to explain statistics, as far as I know only Lascar has been able to do that.

I'll keep the NJSI . . and you hang onto that eFG%. My index won't lie on who are the good long range jumpshooters in the league are. I might just run those numbers on Sunday, to see who is at the top of the NJSI. Korver will definitely be up there, if he keeps shooting like he's shooting. Heck . . Jamal Crawford may top that list, incredible as it may seem.

[Buzzard]

The only indication of that we can see about Horford, is via 82games.com. I'm glad they're updating their site a little more frequently than in year's past.

Al Horford Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production at PF

22.4 ppg ( on 17.7 shots )

12 rpg

53.3% eFG% . . ( 36% inside FG% )

PER: 18.8

Al Horford Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production at C

16.5 ppg ( on 11.8 shots )

18.5 rebs

54.1% eFG% . . ( 59% inside FG% )

PER: 18.8

I can tell you right now 12 rebounds p48 is a decent stat against NBA PFs. And inside fg% of .36 is not shabby either. Most NBA PF's hit 11 to 12 rebounds p48. The glaring weakness stat for me is 18 rebounds p48 against centers. There is only one player in the league that avg 18+ rebounds per 48 and that is the newly remade beast himself Anderson Varejao; and Dwight Howard only avgs 15.1 rebounds per 48. Al is playing out of position, small sample size or not.

link: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds/position/centers

Edited November 22, 2012 by Buzzard