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[Guest]

I'm always wary of guys putting up numbers in contract years.

I like Ariza's game though.

[GameTime]

I'm always wary of guys putting up numbers in contract years.

I like Ariza's game though.

 

Ariza has no handles, can't create, bad passer; Shot 36, 33, 30, 33 % from 3 before this season. 

Giving him 8-10 mill makes no sense to me.

[Admin]

Ariza has no handles, can't create, bad passer; Shot 36, 33, 30, 33 % from 3 before this season. 

Giving him 8-10 mill makes no sense to me.

 

Those are pretty good shooting #'s from 3 on ISO based teams. And he's a 1st-2nd team all defense caliber player every year at a position where having a premium defender is critical. In the playoffs you gotta stop LeBron and George if you want to get anywhere and Ariza can help with that. Pair him with DMC and your wings are pretty darn solid defensively and both shoot in the high 30's from 3 in our system. 

[GameTime]

Those are pretty good shooting #'s from 3 on ISO based teams. And he's a 1st-2nd team all defense caliber player every year at a position where having a premium defender is critical. In the playoffs you gotta stop LeBron and George if you want to get anywhere and Ariza can help with that. Pair him with DMC and your wings are pretty darn solid defensively and both shoot in the high 30's from 3 in our system. 

 

30-33% are not good numbers on any based team. Isn't it said that Deng can't shoot? He shot 30, 32, 37, 35, 39% from 3 the last five years.... those are similar; and Deng is a better scorer, ball handler, passer and defender. I rather give Deng 10 mill over Ariza.

[Admin]

30-33% are not good numbers on any based team. Isn't it said that Deng can't shoot? He shot 30, 32, 37, 35, 39% from 3 the last five years.... those are similar; and Deng is a better scorer, ball handler, passer and defender. I rather give Deng 10 mill over Ariza.

 

DMC was 28% on Utah.  36% in Atlanta.  That's a significant change and yes the style of offense does dictate the shooting %'s quite a bit. How else can you explain guys improving in the Spurs / Hawks systems so much? 

 

Deng is not a better defender than Ariza. And Deng can't shoot to save his life anymore with his injured wrist. 

 

I know some of you guys are enamored with the idea of getting someone who can create his own offense but I'd rather have a better 3 and D specialist ala Bruce Bowen / Danny Green than a guy who needs to pound the ball to create a shot for himself. 

[GameTime]

DMC was 28% on Utah.  36% in Atlanta.  That's a significant change and yes the style of offense does dictate the shooting %'s quite a bit. How else can you explain guys improving in the Spurs / Hawks systems so much? 

 

Deng is not a better defender than Ariza. And Deng can't shoot to save his life anymore with his injured wrist. 

 

I know some of you guys are enamored with the idea of getting someone who can create his own offense but I'd rather have a better 3 and D specialist ala Bruce Bowen / Danny Green than a guy who needs to pound the ball to create a shot for himself. 

 

So you don't see Deng improving his shot leaving the ISO-laden Cavs/Bulls offense? Deng is an elite defender that can do way more things for your money. I don't even LOVE a Deng move, but I would object wholeheartedly to us overpaying for Ariza. Ariza is redundant to our SG/SF situation: DMC/Korver/Jenkins. As much as Lou needed to the go he was our only guy other than Teague/Sap that could penetrate. We literally have NO ONE right now that can attack at SG/SF.

[Admin]

So you don't see Deng improving his shot leaving the ISO-laden Cavs/Bulls offense? Deng is an elite defender that can do way more things for your money. I don't even LOVE a Deng move, but I would object wholeheartedly to us overpaying for Ariza. Ariza is redundant to our SG/SF situation: DMC/Korver/Jenkins. As much as Lou needed to the go he was our only guy other than Teague/Sap that could penetrate. We literally have NO ONE right now that can attack at SG/SF.

 

No I don't because the #'s that were posted show his badly his shooting has gotten since tearing the ligament in his wrist that he's failed to get fixed. 

 

Deng is a good defender. Ariza is an elite defender. 

 

Who's saying to overpay for Ariza? I'm talking about these guys getting comparable 7-9 million dollar per year 2 year deals like Millsap got. In that case Ariza is a better choice for our team for a myriad of reasons.

 

And you get Ariza to play SF you've still got room to go and get someone to attack from the SG spot or as a 6th man if that's what your really want.  The Spurs certainly don't have anyone other than their PGs and Manu who can attack the D off the dribble and they score just fine. 

[coachx]

Ariza has no handles, can't create, bad passer; Shot 36, 33, 30, 33 % from 3 before this season. 

Giving him 8-10 mill makes no sense to me.

I think part of what makes him attractive is that he should be cheaper than that.

[GameTime]

No I don't because the #'s that were posted show his badly his shooting has gotten since tearing the ligament in his wrist that he's failed to get fixed. 

 

Deng is a good defender. Ariza is an elite defender. 

 

Who's saying to overpay for Ariza? I'm talking about these guys getting comparable 7-9 million dollar per year 2 year deals like Millsap got. In that case Ariza is a better choice for our team for a myriad of reasons.

 

And you get Ariza to play SF you've still got room to go and get someone to attack from the SG spot or as a 6th man if that's what your really want.  The Spurs certainly don't have anyone other than their PGs and Manu who can attack the D off the dribble and they score just fine. 

 

Deng's defensive resume would actually tell you the exact opposite. Although i'm not sure if Deng is elite anymore, he is still pretty close. Ariza is far from elite. He is darn good though. If we sign Ariza he is getting 30+ minutes, so using the 5 million left over to spend on an penetrator in this FA doesn't make much sense. Only 96 minutes to go around (DMC 25-30, Korver 25-30, Ariza (30+)

 

Spurs have Kawhi, Diaw, Manu, Tony, Duncan who all attack. Who do we have? Millsap and Teague (When he is aggressive). That is it.

[GameTime]

I think part of what makes him attractive is that he should be cheaper than that.

 

Martell Webster is out most likely all next year, so the Wizards will definitely match a 7-9 million dollar deal.

[yungsta]

it seems like all of these SF have a ridiculously large amount of suitors and the chances of us coming away with one is looking more slim by the minute.

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[Admin]

Deng's defensive resume would actually tell you the exact opposite. Although i'm not sure if Deng is elite anymore, he is still pretty close. Ariza is far from elite. He is darn good though. If we sign Ariza he is getting 30+ minutes, so using the 5 million left over to spend on an penetrator in this FA doesn't make much sense. Only 96 minutes to go around (DMC 25-30, Korver 25-30, Ariza (30+)

 

Spurs have Kawhi, Diaw, Manu, Tony, Duncan who all attack. Who do we have? Millsap and Teague (When he is aggressive). That is it.

 

Kawhi, Diaw and Duncan attacking off the dribble??? 

 

 

As always, there's room for argument when it comes to select teams such as the NBA's first and second All-Defense announced Monday. Chris Paul, Paul George, Andre Igoudala, Serge Ibaka and Joakim Noah made the first team while Patrick Beverley, Jimmy Butler, LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard and Roy Hibbert rounded out the second team.  

 

It's that "others receiving votes" category that can be the bewildering head-scratcher.

 

The Wizards' best one-on-one defender, Trevor Ariza, only received five points -- two first-team votes and one second-team vote. John Wall finished with eight points, including one first-team vote for a total seven votes. 

 

While Wall had stretches of solid defense throughout the season, he had some serious lapses. Ariza was the key on the defensive end for the Wizards, who advanced to the second round of the playoffs, won 44 games and finished with a top 10 scoring defense for the second year in a row.

 

When the Wizards were struggling to contain D.J. Augustin in a first-round series vs. the Chicago Bulls, Ariza took him out of the equation and they closed in five games.

 

Playing with the flu, Ariza went into Madison Square Garden on April 4 in a must-win regular season game and held Carmelo Anthony to 10 points on 5-for-14 shooting. He battled the flu earlier in the season in a home game vs. the Miami Heat, holding LeBron James mostly in check in a 17-point win. 

 

In losing to the Indiana Pacers in the second round, Ariza was stellar vs. another elite wing player in Paul George. While George was unstoppable with 39 points in Game 4, Ariza made him a non-factor in most of the others. George finished just 36-for-91 for 39% shooting. 

 

Ariza's ability to defend the toughest position on the floor coupled with his three-point shooting makes him a valued offseason commodity, and he'll be rewarded with a bump from his $7.7 million salary in 2013-14. 

 

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/trevor-ariza-receives-little-credit-all-defensive-teams-voting

[Guest]

it seems like all of these SF have a ridiculously large amount of suitors and the chances of us coming away with one is looking more slim by the minute.

Can someone look up last year's suitor's for Millsap?

[Admin]

Martell Webster is out most likely all next year, so the Wizards will definitely match a 7-9 million dollar deal.

 

He's not a restricted free agent so they don't have the right to match. 

[GrimeyKidd]

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[AHF]

Ariza scares me as some team is going to pay for his career best offensive season.  

 

Last year's TS% was .590.  That is excellent. 

 

The 4 years before?

 

.538%  (much lower, but not still good)

.496%  (terrible)

.487% (terrible)

.488% (terrible)

 

That is very concerning.  That covers his last 5 year deal and amounts to one great season (his contract year), one good season, and three terrible seasons.  

 

I would let someone else take on that risk rather than paying for him at a .560 TS% or whatever the market is going to build into the salary offers.

Edited June 30, 2014 by AHF

[yungsta]

Can someone look up last year's suitor's for Millsap?

In my opinion, we were the only suitors that aggressively went after millsap (We meet with him at 12:01) which explains why we were able to get him for only 9 mil per with only 2 years committed.

[JonKoncak]

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I prefer Parsons. Good shooter, decent defense, shoots well from beyond the arc, and he occasionally attacks the rim.

[coachx]

Ariza scares me as some team is going to pay for his career best offensive season.  

 

Last year's TS% was .590.  That is excellent. 

 

The 4 years before?

 

.538%  (much lower, but not still good)

.496%  (terrible)

.487% (terrible)

.488% (terrible)

 

That is very concerning.  That covers his last 5 year deal and amounts to one great season (his contract year), one good season, and three terrible seasons.  

 

I would let someone else take on that risk rather than paying for him at a .560 TS% or whatever the market is going to build into the salary offers.

This is the issue with the URFA.

 

Do you sign Deng while coming off a career low shooting ? Is he still a better then average defender ?

Do you sign Ariza coming off career best shooting ? He is a premier wing defender right now.

Do you pay more for Parsons.....who is the most consistent shooter out of the bunch but the worst defender of the bunch.

 

This Wizards have both Ariza and Gortat to resign.

I can't see Deng wanting to stay in Cleveland........ especially after taking Wiggens #1 over all.

 

Whatever wing we sign..............I want them to be an above average defender. Shooting is a close #2 on my want list.

Edited June 30, 2014 by coachx

[AHF]

This is the issue with the URFA.

 

Do you sign Deng while coming off a career low shooting ? Yes, if you get him on a discount.  His time in Cleveland may have lowered his value and that is the right time to strike if it translates to a lower contract.

Do you sign Ariza coming off career best shooting ?  Yes, but only if you don't have to pay for his offense.  If the offers come in reflecting that performance likes Supes is convinced,  you don't sign him.

Do you pay more for Parsons.....who is the most consistent shooter out of the bunch but the worst defender ?  Yes, as long as you don't have to break the bank to get Houston to pass on matching.  

 

My $.02.