Chat Log for 8/4/2002

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[20:40] <jaywalker72> Playoffs...

[20:41] <Playoffs03> Finals is a better word

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[20:42] <jaywalker72> I hope so

[20:42] <jaywalker72> Anything can happen now

[20:42] <Playoffs03> ~true

[20:42] <jaywalker72> jez...

[20:42] <jezmund> hey Jay

[20:42] <jezmund> how are ya

[20:42] <jaywalker72> Good

[20:43] <jaywalker72> ready to roll

[20:43] <jezmund> sure

[20:43] <Playoffs03> hey jez, first time talking to u

[20:43] <jezmund> yeah I haven't chatted with anyone on here since last summer when we were talking about the HUGE J.Vaughn and E.Davis signings

[20:44] <jezmund> actually JV turned out to be a great signing IMO

[20:44] <jaywalker72> Sure was..

[20:44] <jezmund> especially for what we got him for

[20:44] <jaywalker72> replacement value signing

[20:44] <Playoffs03> yep, i hope he will have the same success in orlando

[20:44] <jaywalker72> which is what Kevin Willis or whoever we get will be

[20:44] <jezmund> I thought he was extremely solid for us

[20:44] <jezmund> right

[20:44] <jaywalker72> He will...it's a good setup for him

[20:44] <jaywalker72> he had some issues, but was terrific for the price

[20:45] <jezmund> I think he's suppose to start down there since they want to bring Armstrong off the bench

[20:45] <jaywalker72> We'll see....but if he tries to hold the ball until 10 seconds left in the clock there, TMac will kill him

[20:45] <jezmund> haha

[20:45] <jezmund> definitely

[20:45] <jaywalker72> lol...but Doc should straighten him out on that

[20:46] <jezmund> as long as he penetrates and dishes out to Tmac, Miller and Garrity he's good to go

[20:46] <jezmund> anyways enough about OTHER teams

[20:46] <jezmund> haah

[20:46] <jezmund> how about our team

[20:46] <jaywalker72> Unbelieveable...

[20:47] <Playoffs03> my name already explains it

[20:47] <jezmund> haha I hear that

[20:47] <jaywalker72> IWhere were you when you guys heard about the Dog trade?

[20:47] <jezmund> I was visiting a friend in TENN and was at a restaurant

[20:47] <jezmund> saw it at a distance onthe TV

[20:47] <jezmund> I couldn't hear it

[20:48] <jezmund> I just saw clips of the DOG

[20:48] <jezmund> and then of Kukoc

[20:48] <jezmund> and I was like what the hell?

[20:48] <Playoffs03> i was at school, then when i got home, i saw everybody talking bout big dog in hawksquawk

[20:49] <jezmund> I wasn't sure what to think at first

[20:49] <jezmund> I was like "It makes us look damn good on paper"

[20:49] <jaywalker72> I was getting ready to go out on my second wedding anniversary dinner when I got a 4pm email from the Hawks

[20:49] <jezmund> and that's all it is so far

[20:49] <jezmund> alright Jay enough bragging haha

[20:49] <jezmund> "email from the Hawks"

[20:49] <jezmund> just playin

[20:49] <jaywalker72> It stunned me

[20:49] <jaywalker72> But it gave no details...

[20:50] <jezmund> yeah as long as he WANTS to be here we'll be in good shape

[20:50] <jaywalker72> exactly

[20:50] <jezmund> after seeing the Celtics, PIstons and Nets do what they did last season

[20:50] <jaywalker72> Is there a team in the East that is appreciably better?

[20:50] <jezmund> I never make opinions about a team on paper

[20:51] <jezmund> I didn't think those teams had more talent than us last year definitely not now

[20:51] <jaywalker72> You're right...it's about execution

[20:51] <jezmund> it's all about coaching, chemistry and leadership

[20:51] <jaywalker72> I think it is so crucial that we get off to a good start with Jason at PG and DerMarr at the 2

[20:51] <jezmund> coaching+chemistry=execution?

[20:51] <jaywalker72> We have another brutal first month schedule

[20:52] <jezmund> definitely

[20:52] <jaywalker72> Exactly, jez...we can't give anyone cause for panic and a lineup change

[20:52] <jaywalker72> Does anybody else watch nba.comTV?

[20:52] <jezmund> I hope our players learned a lot from Kukoc

[20:52] <jezmund> passing wise

[20:52] <jezmund> and vision wise

[20:53] <Playoffs03> i hope DJ learned them

[20:53] <jaywalker72> I think they tuned him out last year at the end of the season

[20:53] <jezmund> yeah

[20:53] <jezmund> I've watched that channel a few times at my dads

[20:53] <jezmund> he has satellite

[20:53] <jezmund> I don't like it though

[20:53] <jezmund> it's always showing stuff from like 97

[20:53] <jezmund> or it atleast seems to be

[20:54] <jaywalker72> I was watching some '92 playoffs a few days ago

[20:54] <Playoffs03> i have absolutely nothing to watch but those baby bulls

[20:54] <jaywalker72> They should be better this year

[20:54] <Playoffs03> sometimes raptors

[20:54] <jezmund> without a doubt

[20:54] <jezmund> where you live Playoff?

[20:55] <Playoffs03> where shareef played for years when he was a rookie

[20:55] <jezmund> oh ok

[20:55] <jezmund> you like it in Vancouver?

[20:56] <Playoffs03> city is great, ppl are great, but they like hockey

[20:56] <jezmund> yeah

[20:56] <jezmund> I heard it's a beautiful place

[20:56] <jezmund> clean, fresh

[20:56] <Playoffs03> in the summer, yes, winter = awful

[20:56] <jezmund> not sure if I'd want to live in Canada though

[20:57] <jezmund> winter's bad huh?

[20:57] <jezmund> where'd Jay go?

[20:57] <jaywalker72> I am watching nba.com TV while typing...

[20:57] <jaywalker72> sorry

[20:57] <jaywalker72> lol

[20:57] <Playoffs03> raining everyday

[20:57] <jezmund> oh you don't have to apologize just curiuos

[20:57] <jaywalker72> Early STockton/Malone clips

[20:57] <jaywalker72> When Karl had hair

[20:57] <jezmund> oh

[20:57] <jezmund> ha

[20:58] <jezmund> in a nutshell........

[20:58] <jezmund> I use to fear playing teams like Dallas and Sac last few seasons

[20:58] <jezmund> now we can match up with them offensively

[20:58] <jaywalker72> What do you guys think about the Hawks defense?

[20:58] <jezmund> hmm

[20:58] <jezmund> haha

[20:59] <Playoffs03> inside shouldn't be a problem

[20:59] <jezmund> well obviously a healthy Theo would help a lot

[20:59] <jaywalker72> agreed

[20:59] <jaywalker72> Who should start at the two?

[20:59] <Playoffs03> DJ, definitely

[20:59] <jezmund> DerMarr

[20:59] <jezmund> I wouldn't tell him that though

[20:59] <jezmund> make him earn it

[20:59] <Playoffs03> agree

[20:59] <jaywalker72> I think Kruger is feeling the same way

[21:00] <jaywalker72> but not to worry, Slim is going to go after it whether or not it's handed to him

[21:00] <jaywalker72> Glover, too

[21:00] <jezmund> I think Glover has a great body for sticking someone but I guess just doens't know how to use it yet on the D side

[21:00] <Playoffs03> what do u guys think about bringing back grant long?

[21:00] <jezmund> I've said that a few times

[21:00] <jaywalker72> DerMarr is just so tall, it gives him an inherant advantage

[21:01] <jezmund> Grant Long would be just as solid if not better than Oakley IMO

[21:01] <jezmund> yeah Jay

[21:01] <jaywalker72> I think that Grant would have been welcome, but I think that Kevin is ahead of him on the list, due to some of the reasons that Diesel listed

[21:01] <jezmund> he needs to learn how to lower his center of gravity

[21:01] <jezmund> strengthen his legs

[21:01] <jaywalker72> yes, jez

[21:01] <jezmund> he looks like an oaf when dribbling

[21:01] <jaywalker72> 1999 Playoffs...Knicks/Spurs on the com TV

[21:02] <Playoffs03>

y don't canadian love b-ball?

[21:02] <jezmund> I'm not basketball expert but he just needs to get lower and use his body to separate him from the Defender

[21:02] <jaywalker72> Snooze...Going back to the Braves/Cards

[21:02] <jezmund> ha

[21:03] <jezmund> I really feel like the Mavs, Sac and Clips are the direction basketball is going in

[21:03] <jezmund> quick and high scoring

[21:03] <Playoffs03> yep, high scoring

[21:03] <jezmund> more for entertainment purposes it seems

[21:03] <jezmund> SAC is actually pretty disciplined

[21:03] <jezmund> it seems at least

[21:03] <jaywalker72> Definately

[21:04] <jezmund> Mavs aren't as disciplined but have the talent to work through it

[21:04] <jaywalker72> Getting Bibby was key to getting that offense purring for four quarters

[21:04] <jezmund> yeah

[21:04] <jezmund> how about Bobby Jackson though

[21:05] <jezmund> he was outstanding for them off the bench

[21:05] <Playoffs03> spark plug off the bench, hopefully dickau will do just that

[21:05] <jezmund> he impressed me a great deal in the playoffs

[21:05] <jaywalker72> He has always been key, but they couldn't depend on him to go 30 minutes, so they had Jason Williams playing the majority of the minutes...

[21:05] <jezmund> Dickau and Glover

[21:05] <jezmund> right Jay

[21:05] <jaywalker72> Dan and DIon would be nice offensively

[21:05] <Playoffs03> hedo is going to be great

[21:05] <jezmund> yaeh

[21:05] <jezmund> I don't know about great

[21:05] <jezmund> but solid

[21:06] <jezmund> I think Stoy will always be better

[21:06] <jaywalker72> He has made some real solid contributions, but it looks even better when all you see of him are highlights and playoffs.

[21:06] <jezmund> I don't see Hedo ever developing his shot like Peja

[21:06] <Playoffs03> i think the opposite

[21:06] <jaywalker72> at least on my end

[21:06] <jezmund> I don't know though Playoff

[21:07] <jaywalker72> Where is everyone else tonight?

[21:07] <jezmund> I didn't watch them much other than Playoffs

[21:07] <jezmund> not sure

[21:07] <jezmund> we should do this more often

[21:07] <jezmund> I'm leaving for school in a week

[21:07] <jaywalker72> Where?

[21:07] <Playoffs03> sure, i have final exams on tuesdays

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[21:07] <jezmund> Georgia Southern

[21:08] <jaywalker72> RL....

[21:08] <Playoffs03> hi

[21:08] <jezmund> I'm sure you know of GSU Jay

[21:08] <jezmund> right?

[21:08] <jezmund> Statesboro

[21:08] <jaywalker72> Oh yes...Div 2 legends

[21:08] <jezmund> right

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[21:08] <jezmund> incoming Freshman

[21:08] <jezmund> there we go Jay

[21:08] <jaywalker72> DJ Money

[21:09] <jaywalker72> What's up, fellas

[21:09] <jezmund> what's up? hmmmm.....

[21:09] <jezmund> JT/DJ/Dog/Reef/Theo

[21:09] <jezmund> haha

[21:10] <jezmund> that just looks so solid on paper

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[21:10] <jezmund> don't want to get too excited b/c you know what seems to happen

[21:10] <jaywalker72> Is anyone else going to the exhibtion in Birmingham?

[21:10] <jaywalker72> What's up, D?

[21:10] <Diesel> Nope.

[21:10] <jezmund> didn't know about that

[21:10] <Diesel> What's up?

[21:10] <jezmund> hey D

[21:10] <Playoffs03> hey D

[21:10] <jaywalker72> D, worried about the defense at all?

[21:11] <Diesel> I was just wondering about the motive for Milwaukee to make the trade... I have a question?

[21:11] <Diesel> How good is Haislap?

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[21:11] <jaywalker72> Well, the one game I saw was the summer game

[21:11] <jaywalker72> Showed range I hadn't seen at Tenn

[21:11] <jezmund> seemed to be on fire that day

[21:11] <jaywalker72> I had seen him as a CAmby-esque player before that

[21:12] <jezmund> maybe Camby/Tim Thomas combo

[21:12] <Diesel> I think it may be possible that along with Thomas, they may have wanted to prepare him as their future too.

[21:12] <jaywalker72> A good SF/PF type, maybe a Eddie Griffin type, a notch or so below

[21:12] <jaywalker72> Agreed...

[21:12] <RLHawk> I think Glen and Ray allen never got along very well. Both selfish...

[21:12] <jezmund> yeah Griffin is a good comparison as well from what I saw

[21:12] <jezmund> Terry and Reef won't allow Glen to be selfish

[21:12] <Diesel> About the rest of the big3, I think Cassell might be gone if they can replace him with say GP?

[21:13] <jaywalker72> I guess they felt they HAD to....I don;t know...the pick was probably the tasty treat...They may have offered Dion, but they wanted the pick instead

[21:13] <Diesel> So Something like Mason/Cassell for GP might be something that comes along?

[21:13] <jaywalker72> I would think so...someone who understands the flow of the game a little better...

[21:14] <Diesel> Well, Cassell has had to cry about a contract Negotiation for the last 3 yrs...]

[21:14] <jezmund> where did Charles Oakley's name come up from other than the fact that Hawksfreak mentioned him?

[21:14] <jaywalker72> I don't know...he played at JT's game...that is all I know

[21:14] <jezmund> oh

[21:14] <RLHawk> I don't like Oakley for this team

[21:14] <jezmund> so nothing solid yet

[21:14] <Diesel> I'm thinking Willis would be better.

[21:14] <jaywalker72> I don't think that's a good match, Willis is better

[21:14] <jezmund> yeah attitude wise

[21:14] <Playoffs03> agree

[21:14] <RLHawk> He always conflicts with coaching and we need chemistry

[21:14] <jaywalker72> Willis WANTS to be here...thats big to me

[21:14] <jezmund> although I think we need a hard a** on our team but not necessarily Oakley

[21:15] <RLHawk> Willis is also 7'

[21:15] <jezmund> right

[21:15] <Diesel> Back to the question of Defense. I'm concerned

[21:15] <jaywalker72> To add a player/coach type big man like Kevin would be a big plus

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[21:15] <jezmund> without a doubt Jay

[21:15] <RLHawk> JT/DJ and Theo are above average

[21:15] <Diesel> I would like Willis. I would like to trade for Dale Davis if Possible.

[21:15] <jezmund> so how many roster spots do we have open?

[21:16] <jezmund> JT/DD/Email.....DJ/Dion.....Dog/CC.........Reef/Hendu.....Theo/Nazr

[21:16] <Diesel> Does anyone think that Portland would go for NAZR/CC for DD?

[21:16] <jezmund> we have one open

[21:16] <jezmund> I'd do it Diesel

[21:16] <Playoffs03> i don't like that D

[21:16] <jezmund> that's the type of player I'm talking about

[21:16] <jezmund> a Dale Davis, Ben Wallace

[21:17] <Playoffs03> would u guys want ben wallace or theo ratliff?

[21:17] <Diesel> I think that off the bench, we'd need a better rebounder, Defender. Nazr is an excellent rebounder.. I mean it was his 14/14 that got him the contract... But defense???

[21:17] <TomahawkChop> wallace

[21:17] <jezmund> I've actually thought about that before Playoff

[21:17] <Diesel> Wallace.

[21:17] <jezmund> hard Playoff

[21:17] <jezmund> a 100% Theo probably

[21:17] <jezmund> we need shotblocking

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[21:18] <TomahawkChop> I think I would take Big Ben over a 100% Theo

[21:18] <Diesel> Shotblocking and defense are two different things.

[21:18] <jezmund> but Wallace and Reef would be nice

[21:18] <jezmund> I know Diesel

[21:18] <jaywalker72> I will wait until I watch Theo live, but Wallace has a cheap contract and seems indestructable

[21:18] <jezmund> Like I said it's a hard decision

[21:18] <Diesel> Theo needs more strength.. The fact that he's bigger makes me excited. I would love to see him eclips 250.

[21:18] <jezmund> yeah Wallace is built solidly

[21:18] <BlackHawkDown> Wallace is a bit short we still have to worry with Oneal

[21:19] <jaywalker72> You would always have to worry about Sha

[21:19] <jezmund> I think we need to cool down when building our team to compete with Shaq because everyone has that problem

[21:19] <Diesel> The key to beating the Lakers is not about Shaq? The Kings had a great gameplan.

[21:19] <jaywalker72> The Kings were right there

[21:19] <jezmund> we need to be able to beat the likes of NJ, Boston, Mavs, Sac etc.....

[21:19] <Playoffs03> agree

[21:19] <Diesel> Yep

[21:20] <BlackHawkDown> Anybody else big on Chris Marcus Western Kentucky he could gaurd Shaq

[21:20] <BlackHawkDown> Someday

[21:20] <jezmund> I didn't like what I saw of him in the Tourney

[21:20] <Diesel> Thumbs up to the guys that fixed the chat!!!!

[21:20] <jaywalker72> I think that Marcus has a shot to be like Khandi

[21:20] <jezmund> but I didn't watch much

[21:20] <jaywalker72> Some people are having trouble getting in....java problems I guess

[21:20] <jezmund> I think it's kind of funny how Khandi wants the Max

[21:20] <BlackHawkDown> I dont want to take shaq out just contain him

[21:20] <jezmund> and just because he is a Center, he might get it

[21:20] <jaywalker72> If he can get it, he should

[21:21] <jezmund> I know Jay

[21:21] <BlackHawkDown> Kandi doesnt deserve even 8 and he wants the max?

[21:21] <jezmund> I just wish salary cap was more strict that's all

[21:21] <Diesel> Yes. To beat the Lakers you have to get into a shoot out with them and be able to outscore them. That means being able to play Shaq one on one and stoping everyone else.

[21:21] <jezmund> I mean look at Portland, it's just ridiculous

[21:21] <jaywalker72> I would like to see the starting lineup of JT/DJ/Dog/Reef/Theo get a month or so to get it going

[21:21] <jezmund> 90 million?

[21:22] <Diesel> Money is out of control...

[21:22] <Diesel> NY will always have more than everybody else.

[21:22] <jezmund> all I got to say is that Dog and Reef are going to complement eachother so well

[21:22] <jaywalker72> I can't believe the contracts of some of the role players

[21:22] <BlackHawkDown> Well that is capitalism

[21:22] <TomahawkChop> How many years does Big Dog have on his contract?

[21:22] <jezmund> Dog is going light it up from outside

[21:22] <jezmund> 3

[21:22] <BlackHawkDown> 3

[21:22] <TomahawkChop> and DJ?

[21:22] <Diesel> Exactly. Big Dog and Reef are going to be one of the best forward pair in History....

[21:22] <jaywalker72> If the Knicks get their finances straight like the Yankees did in the 90's, then they could be contenders every year

[21:23] <Playoffs03> very true

[21:23] <jezmund> yeah if Dice comes back 100% and they move Spree for a solid PG or SF, they might be ok

[21:23] <Diesel> I'm trying to think of a better pair in History?

[21:23] <jezmund> Johnson/Worthy?

[21:23] <jaywalker72> DJ will get his fourth year picked up this summer, meaning after next season we can extend him, and in two years we will have to make a long term decision on him

[21:23] <jaywalker72> Baylor and West?

[21:23] <TomahawkChop> Okay

[21:23] <BlackHawkDown> If we make a real championship run do you think we should go after Camby

[21:24] <jezmund> why Camby?

[21:24] <BlackHawkDown> He is solid on D

[21:24] <TomahawkChop> Might be alright off the bench if he is cheap

[21:24] <Playoffs03> yes if he only cost us hendu

[21:24] <jaywalker72> Bird/McHale

[21:24] <Diesel> Maybe Rodman/Pippen

[21:24] <jezmund> you read my mind Jay

[21:24] <Diesel> Yeah..> bird/McHale.

[21:24] <jezmund> bout to say the same thing

[21:24] <BlackHawkDown> Oh yeah I wouldn't give up anything big for him

[21:25] <jezmund> you might laugh but I remember Shrempf and Kemp being pretty solid

[21:25] <jaywalker72> I think that dog will be just fine here...It's an egoless clubhouse...

[21:25] <jezmund> exactly Jay

[21:25] <jaywalker72> When they were in Seattle...

[21:25] <jezmund> he will be alone if he acts selfish

[21:26] <Diesel> Shrempf /Kemp? vs. BD/SAR!!

[21:26] <jaywalker72> I liked the McKey/Antonio d/Dale D forwar rotation in IND in the mid 90's

[21:26] <jezmund> exactly Diesel

[21:26] <jezmund> haha

[21:26] <BlackHawkDown> We need an ego nobody has one. Milwalky had 6 that why big dog didnt fit in

[21:26] <jezmund> definitely Jay

[21:26] <Diesel> I think Kemp was more dominant.

[21:26] <jezmund> I was gonna say DD and Rose

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[21:27] <jezmund> I think our bench is what's going to win it for us if that happens

[21:27] <jezmund> if they can gel

[21:27] <jezmund> DD/DG/CC/Hendu/Nazr

[21:27] <jezmund> not much perimter shooting is the only problem

[21:27] <jaywalker72> Glover to drive and kick to Dickau

[21:27] <RLHawk> DD has 3pt range

[21:27] <jezmund> plenty of aggressiveness to the basket with DG/CC

[21:27] <RLHawk> DG has mid range

[21:28] <jezmund> Hendu/Nazr good reboudning combo

[21:28] <RLHawk> DG/CC both drive and dish or finish

[21:28] <Diesel> I guess if I had to rank the ones we have mentioned: 1. Bird/McHale 2. Kemp/Shrempf. 3. Big Dog/Shareef. 4. LJ/Gill 5. Antonio Davis/Rose. 6. Antonio Davis/Carter

[21:28] <RLHawk> Hendu takes junk from inside

[21:28] <RLHawk> Nazr has 12 ft range

[21:28] <Playoffs03> hows CC doing with his injury, anyone?

[21:28] <jaywalker72> Man, Kendell Gill....The Flying Illini...

[21:28] <jezmund> that second unit is really up to Dickau on how good it is

[21:29] <Diesel> I thought Charlotte would do something with Morning/LJ/Gill!!!

[21:29] <RLHawk> You never just play the 2nd unit together anyway

[21:29] <jezmund> I know RL

[21:29] <Diesel> Exactly RL!

[21:29] <RLHawk> I dont see JT/BD/SAR ever out at the same time

[21:29] <jaywalker72> and....JR Reid

[21:29] <jezmund> but if they can keep the game where it is then we can give the whole starting lineup a break

[21:30] <jezmund> it's just comforting to know

[21:30] <RLHawk> Yeah, but ou need a player on the court with them

[21:30] <jezmund> since they practice together then will develop some chemsitry

[21:30] <Diesel> I think that our second unit will be like: Glover 20 mpg, DD 12 mpg, Nazr 20 mpg, Hendu 8 mpg, CC 8 mpg.

[21:30] <RLHawk> First you rest 2 with the backups

[21:30] <RLHawk> then you bring one back in and rest the other

[21:30] <Playoffs03> i think DD will play more minutes

[21:31] <jezmund> yeah me too

[21:31] <RLHawk> Where will he play?

[21:31] <Diesel> Actually, we all are assuming that DJ will beat out Glover? I have to wait until exhibition season to know for sure.

[21:31] <RLHawk> JT shoudl play 35MPG

[21:31] <jaywalker72> If Kruger is serious about defense, then DerMarr has the early edge...But Kruger will make sure DJ earns it

[21:32] <jezmund> it's not even that I think DJ is better than Glover but DJ fits in with the starters better than Glover, we need Glover to be the primary scorer off the bench

[21:32] <Diesel> Yeah, in the interview he mentioned the position being up for grabs between: Dj, Dion, and Email?

[21:32] <RLHawk> Who ever wins out wins out

[21:32] <Playoffs03> JT will probably play a bit of SG alongside DD, something like van exel, steve nash, bobby jackson, bibby

[21:32] <RLHawk> They must know that they have to play defense

[21:32] <jaywalker72> I think we agree that Kruger is definately working DerMarr through those quotes

[21:33] <jezmund> definitely

[21:33] <jezmund> keep him motivated

[21:33] <Diesel> Well, it depends on how Big Dog Plays too. If Big Dog plays decent defense and he remains on the perimeter and not in the midrange then Glover might actually make more sense than Dj!

[21:33] <jezmund> hmm possibly

[21:33] <RLHawk> I think the want to get DJ playing confidently. They will possible let DG go after the season

[21:33] <RLHawk> If he raises his value too much

[21:33] <jezmund> I think we should just matchup on D

[21:34] <jezmund> depending on who we play

[21:34] <Diesel> However, if Big Dog plays less than good defense and he plays in the midrange, DJ makes more sense.

[21:34] <jaywalker72> We'll see in the preseason, but I believe Slim gives us better matchups...

[21:34] <RLHawk> When does the preseason begin anyway

[21:34] <jaywalker72> And Slim plays within the offense better than Dion, who would rather isolate

[21:34] <jaywalker72> But Dion can score, no doubt

[21:34] <Diesel> I agree that Slim has the making of a Pippen. Playing with Big Dog might help him even more defensively.

[21:34] <jaywalker72> IMO, Dion has contributed more than Jumaine Jones...

[21:35] <jezmund> yeah

[21:35] <jaywalker72> Dion has the injury bug bad

[21:35] <Diesel> The thing I like about Dion is his potential to be a Nique/Worthy like Baseline scorer.

[21:35] <jezmund> Jones looked good with Philly b/c they had a good team

[21:35] <jaywalker72> He can get to the basket on ANY level

[21:35] <RLHawk> I agree, everyone got geeked up about Jones, but never was consistent

[21:35] <jaywalker72> He has no fear...

[21:36] <jezmund> so how much should I put into the Kevin Willis rumors?

[21:36] <Diesel> I wish that Dion would seek out Nique and learn some things from him... Nique could help him so much.

[21:36] <jaywalker72> I would say it's 50/50

[21:36] <jezmund> really?

[21:36] <jezmund> definitely D

[21:36] <jaywalker72> Well, they have an open spot...they could use the veteran leadership, and he wants to be here....

[21:36] <jezmund> I look at as why not if he doesn't mind the Minimum

[21:36] <Diesel> I would really like having a 7 footer with experience.

[21:36] <jezmund> exactly

[21:36] <jezmund> without a doub

[21:36] <jaywalker72> Add in the fact that, according to both sides, they are discussing it

[21:37] <jezmund> it makes sense

[21:37] <Diesel> Yep.

[21:37] <jaywalker72> and a think that's at least 50/50

[21:37] <jezmund> what's the latest with Ira?

[21:37] <jezmund> still asking too much?

[21:37] <jaywalker72> I would like to see Nique with a big role in player development...answering to Billy Knight

[21:37] <jaywalker72> jez...I would assume so

[21:37] <Diesel> I have less hope for Ira. Even if we get him, where do we play him?

[21:37] <jezmund> I'd rather play CC and sign a Willis or Haslem than give in to Ira

[21:38] <Diesel> Yep.

[21:38] <jaywalker72> If I were his agent, I would be pointing to the Bowen/Buckner contracts

[21:38] <jaywalker72> What exactly did Greg Buckner do to get 6 years, 18 million

[21:38] <jezmund> how about the Monte Wliliams contract?

[21:38] <Diesel> What did CC do?

[21:38] <RLHawk> But the team doesn't NEED his that much anymore

[21:38] <jaywalker72> Exactly d

[21:38] <jezmund> what do you mean Diesel?

[21:39] <Diesel> CC was really no better than McLeod but he worded harder.

[21:39] <jaywalker72> Overpaid, even though it was relatively cheap, for a replacement value palyer

[21:39] <Playoffs03> how is his injury?

[21:39] <Diesel> I wouldn't mind CC's contract if it wasn't so LONG. HEndu's either.

[21:39] <jaywalker72> PHL gets Monty for nothing, then overcommits for Buckner

[21:39] <jezmund> oh I'd much rather have Ira making what CC makes than CC but I don't want both with long contracts

[21:39] <Playoffs03> agree .... jez

[21:40] <RLHawk> I agree D. If ou need a player, pay him, but only for 1 year if you don't like the terms

[21:40] <jaywalker72> I get upset when people question CC's heart....If you saw how much harder he has to work to rehab than to play basketball, you would know he would MUCH rather be on the court

[21:40] <jezmund> that would work too RL without the luxury tax

[21:40] <jaywalker72> Ira should get 2 years, tops....at a million a year

[21:40] <Diesel> yep. Actually though... As much as we credit Newble... His offense was nonexistent... CC atleast is an offensive threat... If he learns to stop travelling and offensive fouls.

[21:40] <Playoffs03> yep j

[21:40] <jaywalker72> But I would rather have Willis over Ira

[21:40] <Diesel> I would pay Ira for 2 yrs 3 million.

[21:41] <Diesel> Yep.. me too.

[21:41] <jezmund> oh yeah CC throws his body up into traffic

[21:41] <RLHawk> I would rather have Willis also

[21:41] <Diesel> We really need size.

[21:41] <jezmund> you can't ever have too many 7' playrs

[21:41] <jaywalker72> You can find Newble-type players every year..Big men like Kevin is tougher to come by

[21:41] <RLHawk> We need a dependable backup 3 though. If CC goes down(which is likely) we need someone

[21:41] <Diesel> exactly.

[21:42] <jaywalker72> Well, Slim can cover the 3, as can Reef, in a pinch..

[21:42] <jezmund> If CC goes down there are tons of undrafted rookies and free agents to look at

[21:42] <Diesel> Unless we want to call up Priest... But KW's experience makes him more desireable.

[21:42] <jezmund> exactly Jay

[21:42] <jaywalker72> And, if we had Kevin, Reef could cover the 3, Theo the 4, and NAzr/Kevin the 5

[21:42] <Diesel> Later guys.

[21:42] <jaywalker72> See ya D

[21:42] <jezmund> later D

[21:42] <Playoffs03> cya

[21:42] <jaywalker72> I am out, too...

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[21:42] <jezmund> later Jay

[21:42] <jaywalker72> We need to do this more

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[21:42] <jezmund> maybe again later?

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[21:43] <jezmund> I'm gonna call it a night as well

[21:43] <jezmund> goodnight

[21:43] <Playoffs03> nite

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[21:46] <Dolfan23> .5anyone still chatting?

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[22:12] <bobbham> hello

[22:12] <skaughtybee> howdy

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[22:15] <bobbham> anyone in here

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[22:29] <cyman3> sup guys

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[DJ_Money]

Computer was having issues, I needed to type out a report anyway...

This does need to be a weekly thing. Every Sunday night at 9?

[mrhonline]

Thanks for posting this for those of us unable to join in...Any chance of getting a "Recent Chat Logs" section ordered by date/topic?

[kudzu23]

Good idea mrHonline. I'll work on that, rather than post the logs. In addition I'd like to get a user submitable chat schedule going. Working on other stuff at the moment tho.

I see you join the chatroom frequently, yet you said you're unable to join. ???

[mrhonline]

Well, by "join in" I meant "get away from the four essays I had to write tonight..." At first I was having problems getting the chat program to work, but it seems to be fixed...