mudderfudder77

Dude was measured at 6'8.75" with a 7'4" wingspan and 9'2.5" standing reach. He's a center. He's played center and played it very well.

Quote: My first thougt: wonder if $4.00 gallon gas has influenced the negativity on HS??????? You're only paying $4.00??? I paid $4.76 a gallon last time I filled up here in Chicago.

Quote: Thank you Philly for taking Elton Brand, now we have to fight with the Clippers whom the Hawks better beat to keep the Joshes. There are a few Targets the Hawks will pursue as Free Agents Centers 1) Kwame Brown (1st priority) 2) Randolph Morris 3) Patrick OBryant Defenders 1) Mario West (will resign) Shooters 1) Michael Finley (Will be tough to pry him away from Spurs) 2) Gordan Giricek 3) Carlos Delfino PG 1) Shaun Livingston (insurance once Bibby leaves, plus he will come cheap and provide some match up problems) I'd say theres a 5% chance he actually plays this year.

Quote: Nothing is official yet as far as I know. Could Davis look at the loss of Brand and take a one year deal with LA and go for a title? He could, reports are that he will still sign with the Clips, but for more money than originally agreed to.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: How much cap room does LA have exactly? And why does no one want Okafor, Deng, etc.? Because Deng has basically met his potential. There is no reason to throw a huge offer at Deng, because he isn't worth that money, nor does he have the potential to be Uh, okay. Deng averaged 19/7 shooting 52% in his 3rd season. The Bulls weren't willing to trade him in a deal for Kobe so i think the GM's realize the Bulls would surely match any offer. Thats not true. Reports out of Chicago were that Deng was in the "proposed deal" for Kobe but that Kobe said he would veto the deal. Deng was also in the original deal for Pau, but Memphis wanted both Deng, Gordon and picks. Deng was also in the proposed deal for KG that included Tyson Chandler, Deng, and multiple first round picks. Deng is hardly untouchable. And I wasn't responding to the matching portion of the quote, only that Deng at 23 has maxed out his potential and has no chance for continued improvement.

Quote: Quote: How much cap room does LA have exactly? And why does no one want Okafor, Deng, etc.? Because Deng has basically met his potential. There is no reason to throw a huge offer at Deng, because he isn't worth that money, nor does he have the potential to be Uh, okay.

Does Beasleys 1-13, 5TO's & 7pf's show just how inconsequential summer league is?

Quote: Quote: Quote: I like Rose and I think he is going to be a terrific PG (maybe not Paul or Williams but in the upper echelon of NBA PGs) but I think Beasley is gonig to be a STAR. In addition, I think the Bulls had a greater need for a guy who can score in the low post than they did for a PG. I think Paxson let the fact that Rose was from CHI be the deciding factor in deciding who to take and I think he was wrong to do that. The funny thing is that I think MIA wanted Rose too. I just don't know what everyone is looking at when they question whether or not Beasley can get it done in the NBA. He is going to be REALLY good. I'm not going to get into a Rose vs Beasley debate - nothing new is going to get said. No one ever questioned whether Beasley could score (at least not sane people). The only question with Beasley is whether or not he is Glenn Robinson, i.e. more interested in putting up his own stats as opposed to team success. Anybody who watched him play at KS knows that he can score. Yea but he does it efficiently and not just jacking up shots like Glenn did. Look at how many times he got to the line yesterday. He doesn't shy away from contact either. D-Wade just got a really good partner to pair with on the inside/outside game. I agree - I think Beasley is a great pick. I just also happen to like Rose as well. As for Glenn - He was efficient in college too. Not saying thats what Beasley will become, only voicing one of the concerns. If Beasley was such a slam dunk, opinions wouldn't have been so divided.

Quote: I like Rose and I think he is going to be a terrific PG (maybe not Paul or Williams but in the upper echelon of NBA PGs) but I think Beasley is gonig to be a STAR. In addition, I think the Bulls had a greater need for a guy who can score in the low post than they did for a PG. I think Paxson let the fact that Rose was from CHI be the deciding factor in deciding who to take and I think he was wrong to do that. The funny thing is that I think MIA wanted Rose too. I just don't know what everyone is looking at when they question whether or not Beasley can get it done in the NBA. He is going to be REALLY good. I'm not going to get into a Rose vs Beasley debate - nothing new is going to get said. No one ever questioned whether Beasley could score (at least not sane people). The only question with Beasley is whether or not he is Glenn Robinson, i.e. more interested in putting up his own stats as opposed to team success. Anybody who watched him play at KS knows that he can score.

Quote: Quote: Diesel, c'mon man - you know better than this. Money now is infinitely more expensive than money 5 years from now. Anytime you can defer making a payment a company will do so (Taking the NBA and the salary cap out of the picture). Hell, I used to work for a company that purposely made late payments on invoices because even with the late charges we came out ahead after calculating the interest accrued on the payment. It makes a huge difference whether an owner has to pay 25million up front, or whether he can spread 15 million of that over 5 years. Mudderfudder. I was going to talk about the fact that you can't take the salary cap out of the discussion for the sake of business... however, I will go a different way with this. You're still going to have to pay the money. So this is the deal... Pay it. You will have more money later. Pay it now. Bottom line. I don't know about you, but I have paid up front for service before. When you go to the doctor for a routine visit, he wants your copay. Most of the time, he doesn't say "i'll bill you.". So what do you do... you go to the doctors office with your copay. Because whatever the reason, when you go to the doctor, you need his services. Well, we need Smoove's services. The good thing about signing him to a bonus is that we can pay him up front and then for the owners they pay him less and less each year (although there's no cap affect). Yes, and you understand that the co-pay is but a small portion of what the Doctor actually charges for his services and the rest is paid by the insurance company only after they have exhausted the reimbursement process. Any doctor will tell you they'd rather have their money upfront (like a player) but the insurance company likes to wait as long as they are allowed before payment (like the owners). It all goes back to capital, whats on hand, and what the ultimate cost will be. 5 million today is worth more than 5 million in 5 years. As an owner you don't want large up front expenditures. It reduces your capital and as such your ability to make moves in the near future.

Quote: Quote: Frontload is a colloquial term for putting money in the front of a contract. In the context of RFA signings where a team is threatening to "frontload" a contract as we did with JJ and as the Sixers are threatening with Josh Smith, the term "frontload" refers to the inclusion of a signing bonus because that substantially increases the actual money paid out to the player in the first year of the contract. Again, if the money has no effect on the cap, its' not front-loaded. Only what will have a cap effect really matters. You guys believe right now money matters from the owners perspective? That's terrible logic. If the owners are going to pay Smoove 73 Million dollars, does it matter what they pay him out of pocket up front?? NO. The only thing that matters is the cap hit. Diesel, c'mon man - you know better than this. Money now is infinitely more expensive than money 5 years from now. Anytime you can defer making a payment a company will do so (Taking the NBA and the salary cap out of the picture). Hell, I used to work for a company that purposely made late payments on invoices because even with the late charges we came out ahead after calculating the interest accrued on the payment. It makes a huge difference whether an owner has to pay 25million up front, or whether he can spread 15 million of that over 5 years.

Quote: I'm confused here. Is Philly not keeping Andre Iguoadala? He is restricted as well since he came out in the same draft as smoove. I haven't read anything saying they are just going to let him go. Supposedly they only have 11m in capspace. How can they afford to max out both Iggy and Smoove? They currently have cap hold for Iggy's salary with Bird rights. After the cap hold they have ~11million in cap space. They can sign Smith, and then go above the salary cap to re-sign Iggy to the max if they so desire.

Quote: (Long shot) Indiana Pacers New Jersey Nets Chicago Bulls (Don't waste your Vegas Money) Charlotte Bobcats New York Knicks I'll respectfully disagree, although I'm curious what you think the roster will be.

Quote: There is the reason that Hinrich is among 8 pgs in Chicago... He sucks. I swear this board thinks that any non Black pg who avgs more than 4 apg is Steve Nash. Sucks is rather harsh. Hinrich is average. His defense is above average and his offense is below average. He isn't a playmaker at the PG position, but he's capable. His career PER is right around 15 - average.

Quote: last time I checked they weren't rookie's last year.They've been in the league a few years and what I meant is that Hinrich started at SG next to Duhon most of the time.and Hinrich isn't much of an upgrade,we don't need him and we aren't traded for him,that's a fact. No. Just no. Duhon and Hinrich did not start together "most of the time". Hinrich started next to Gordon, Thabo, and Hughes more than he started next to Duhon.

Quote: They definitely made a mistake in basically swapping Wallace for Chandler and also losing PJ Brown in the deal and while he isn't a great player, I think he is a very good influence on the young bigs and would have been good to keep around. Atlanta fans know as well as anyone what crappy ownership can do to a team. Pax signed Wallace (a mistake) and was forced to trade Chandler in the process - so as not to come close to the lux tax when Kirk, Ben and Deng were resigned. Signing Wallace was clearly a mistake, but ownerships reluctance to pay out some of the record proceeds they were making compounded it. In the end Pax chose his coach over Chandler. But I can not absolve Chandler of blame. He never worked out in the off-season, and was a mental midget in Chicago. Clearly, and he admits it, he rededicated himself in NO - and he has said that getting drafted really opened his eyes and he changed how he treated basketball. Still a big mistake though.

Quote: Quote: They have traded away Elton Brand, Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler, Ron Artest, Brad Miller, etc. and had they just been patient with most of those guys instead of constantly changing the roster they would most likely be a lot better now than they actually are. Plus they added Ben Wallace last year and got worse! But people on this board won't tell the truth because the truth gets in the way of their shallow agendas! They added Ben Wallace 2 years ago, and got better and swept the Heat in the playoffs. They traded Ben this year as he was utter shite.

Quote: Quote: Quote: I don't get the lane agaility numbers.Is higher better because Conley's was higher as well as Stuckey? No - its a time event - so the number is in seconds. Rose's is higher than you would think, but no one has given an explanation as to why. U sure because I wouldn't think Law is quicker than Conley.That's what through me off.Stuckey and Rose not so much. Yes, I'm positive. Its a lateral movement agility. One false step could screw up your time. Theres always a few people who test well in everything else and then post a relatively disappointing lane agility.

Quote: I don't get the lane agaility numbers.Is higher better because Conley's was higher as well as Stuckey? No - its a time event - so the number is in seconds. Rose's is higher than you would think, but no one has given an explanation as to why.

Quote: Well, it looks like Rose will either be in Miami or Chicago meaning we will see Rose alot for the next 10 -14 years. Well, how does Acie Law match up physically and defensively with who will probably be the best PG in the Eastern Conference for the next decade ? Ht. w/o shoes Ht. in shoes Wt. wing sp std reach Rose... 6'1.5'' 6'2.5'' 195 6'8'' 8'2.5'' Law... 6'2'' 6'3.5'' 186 6'6.5'' 8'2'' Law should be able to hold his own vs. Rose defensively or at least he will not out matched from a physical stand point. More Law vs. Rose Code: Player NoStep Vert Max Vert Lane Agility 3/4 sprint Rose 34.5" 40" 11.69 3.05 Law 29" 34" 11 3.22

Quote: That we would consider Dwayne Casey for the job of top assistant?? Casey is still under consideration for the Chicago job, and it was my understanding that he already has an agreement in place with Carlisle to be Dallas' top assistant.

Quote: Quote: Quote: This is a trade I was thinking about. Tell me what you guys think about it. Chicago receives Zach Randolph Marvin Williams Chicago is not trading for Zach Randolph - ever. If they had wanted Randolph they would have traded with the Blazers for him. The Bulls don't need Marvin Williams - we have a pretty good SF already in Luol Deng. Gooden put up 14 & 9 for the Bulls last year - they like him, and I don't think they will look to trade him unless they can get a significant upgrade. Randolph isn't that. Mudderfudder - Assuming the Bulls take Rose, what do you think they do with the rest of the roster? Deng, I assume, they want back. But what about Gordon and do they trade Hinrich? Thats an excellent question, and one none of us have any idea of an answer on. Either way it looks like Hinrich is being shopped. I converse with a couple of Chicago writers, and all of them have said that they hear Hinrich is on the table. They'll resign Deng. He told a couple writers that he regretted turning down the contract the Bulls offered, and the feeling is that he will sign as soon as he gets a chance. Gordon is a bit different. I think he feels he is worth a hell of alot more than the Bulls do. That said though, either Rose or Beasley could be a boon to Gordon's game. I think the Bulls and Gordon get a 3 year 27 million deal done. The Bulls are high on Thabo, as are many Bulls fans. He's a great defender, and when given the starting position he showed himself to be enough of an offensive threat to not be considered a Chris Duhon like liability. I wouldn't be surprised to see Rose, Gordon, Thabo sharing the guard minutes next year. Deng is locked down at the 3 - (unless Denver goes insane and trades Carmelo without receiving the #1 pick) Gooden is a lock at the 4, unless he is used in a package (with Hinrich and possibly TT) for an established player. Noah is a lock at the 5 I believe. I don't think there are any big men available in trade that would be an upgrade. I'm one of the few who still believes TT has a chance to be an excellent player - but I don't know what the Bulls think. Bottom line - the Bulls need to do a consolidation trade. They have too many players vying for minutes. Hopefully Pax can do a 2:1 or a 3:1 trade and get a veteran producer in return. The Bulls are the second youngest team in the NBA, and after the draft they will most likely be the youngest. They still have a lot of time - I hope Pax is patient.

Quote: This is a trade I was thinking about. Tell me what you guys think about it. Chicago receives Zach Randolph Marvin Williams Chicago is not trading for Zach Randolph - ever. If they had wanted Randolph they would have traded with the Blazers for him. The Bulls don't need Marvin Williams - we have a pretty good SF already in Luol Deng. Gooden put up 14 & 9 for the Bulls last year - they like him, and I don't think they will look to trade him unless they can get a significant upgrade. Randolph isn't that.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: I wouldn't trade smoove period, but if that happened I would pray Rose was at two, not beasley. Answer me this, Diesel, if you take Beasley, doesn't that still make Al an out of position C? I would be digging- Rose, JJ, Horf and Chillz. Best backcourt in the east, right? Beasley will not be a pF on this level. Beasley will definitely play Sf. If he does play PF, it will be small ball because of his size. So to answer your question, when I concieved the trade, I was thinking: Bibby, JJ, Beasley, Horf, Blount (Zaza). Beasley measured last year at 6'9" with a 9'1" standing reach and a 7' wingspan at 235 pounds. He is a half inch shorter than Horford, but has a standing reach two inches higher. He's 10 pounds lighter than Horford, but these measurements are from when Beasley was still in high school, and hadn't spent a day in a college weight room. At least one GM, the guy with the first pick, says that he is most definitely a 4. Those measurements don't add up. if he is a half inch shorter than Horford and his wingspan is only 7' he isn't going to have a standing reach of 9'1". A 7' wingspan would be on the short side for that height. Horford's wingspan is 7'.75". Tyrus has a wingspan of 7'3". Solomon Jones has a wingspan of 7'4" and a standing reach of 9'1" click Wingspan depends quite a bit on body type - Shelden Williams is a good example of that. Its also entirely possible that the measurements at the Nike hoop Summit are crap. Jones and Horford are a bit wider than Beasley - so that would help account for the difference in wingspan. Historically - the last 7 or so drafts - 7' for a 6'9" player is about average. FWIW - I hope that the Bulls draft Rose. A great PG can make everyone on the team better. Beasley strikes me as a Z Randolph type who will get his numbers but not contribute to winning basketball. Just my opinion though.

Quote: Quote: I wouldn't trade smoove period, but if that happened I would pray Rose was at two, not beasley. Answer me this, Diesel, if you take Beasley, doesn't that still make Al an out of position C? I would be digging- Rose, JJ, Horf and Chillz. Best backcourt in the east, right? Beasley will not be a pF on this level. Beasley will definitely play Sf. If he does play PF, it will be small ball because of his size. So to answer your question, when I concieved the trade, I was thinking: Bibby, JJ, Beasley, Horf, Blount (Zaza). Beasley measured last year at 6'9" with a 9'1" standing reach and a 7' wingspan at 235 pounds. He is a half inch shorter than Horford, but has a standing reach two inches higher. He's 10 pounds lighter than Horford, but these measurements are from when Beasley was still in high school, and hadn't spent a day in a college weight room. At least one GM, the guy with the first pick, says that he is most definitely a 4.