You two really make this board entertaining!!!!! lol, but really both of you should just let it go. Neither of you will EVER see the others point of view and its kinda becoming redundant! I enjoy the slick backhanded remarks but the marv stats are really over and done with now. We know that the hawks didn't exactly stink it up when marv didn't play but we also know that in that stretch we caught a couple of breaks due to injuries, that happens in the league from time 2 time, we know that marvin doesn't put up alot of shots which may look like he's unagressive to some but we also know that our offense is pretty much just dribble dribble dribble jack up a jumper. We are not a team that moves the ball around alot and that kinda makes a difference as far as the kinda looks that marv gets. We can talk about josh being more agressive BUT AGAIN anyone who watched just a couple of our games last year can clearly see that josh got more than his fair share of wide open shots and WE ALL KNOW WHY, the only way you can dispute that FACT is if you just didn't watch any games and you're going off of stats, I personally think gameplay means a little more. I really don't feel like going thru every other argument that you two have made but i think we all get the point, its entertaining but come on guys, lol just let it go!