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Also, while contesting lots of shots can (and probably is) a good measure for defensive activity etc., you could also say that the fact that people do take a lot of contested shots against Millsap and Horford is actually a sign that their rim protection is not respected. On the other hand, players might not even consider taking a contested shot vs. Jordan, Whiteside etc., because they are that good at protecting the rim. This does not diminish Millspas and Horfords efforts. But it does not necessarily mean tha the Hawks are good at protecting the rim.

Okay, what are the odds that a) the Hawks deliberately let a (severely) hurt player play basically the same minutes throughout the season and b) Teague plays the way he plays with the injury he claims he had (he did jump/stop etc., there was always a debate if there was something minor or not) and c) Teague says at the end of the season that there is no real injury, just normal "wear and tear" and d) Teague says he was/is severrly injured after (serious?) trade rumors/offers appear? Conspicuous timing, I would say. And unprofessional in any case.

Schröder played 36 seconds longer per game than the season before. Teague 2 minutes less. Much ado about nothing, I think.

The Pistons are as close to the model the Hawks may want to follow as it gets. I see only one problem: They did have players that were special and their defense was all-time great. There were no superstars overall. But Ben Wallace was the best defender / rebounder in a league that had guys like young Dwight Howard and Shaq in it (amongst others). Rasheed Wallace was as talented as a player could be and also an elite defender. Both Horford and Millsap are already "poor mans versions" of Rasheed Wallace and the Hawks have nothing special about them right now (it was Korvers shooting a season ago). The Hawks are a ~54 win team. In a good year, they can win 60, in a bad one they win only 48.

Trade Millsap for starting SF or SG --> problem solved. I really like this trade idea: You get a 22-year old who can give you probably around 14/12 with ~4 steals/block per game (right now) Horford can play PF --> that is a big plus overall, I think You can trade Millsap for a need on the wings --> big plus Korver or Bazemore return to the bench --> bench gets significantly stronger And the only risk is Schröder not being good enough. If you don't want to take that risk, what other options are there to adresss the needs of this team (rim protection ,rebounding, starting SG or SF)?

If the Hawks could get Noel for Teague (+ pick/non-Rotation player maybe), he would / could be the starting Center. A defensive anchor, a good rebounder. And I think he would do okay offensively as a P&R big man rolling to the basket, who can finish alley-hoops (which the Hawks don't really have atm), offensive rebounding etc. This could move Horford to PF and you could trade Millspa for a pretty good wing. Or you could let Horford walk and sign a decent wing for the cap space. Doesn't sound to bad, does it? Ofc you bank on Schröder being able to grow into Teagues role/production. But you would fix something on this team (length / rim protection / rebounding) for a long time and potentially (if Schröder succeeds) lose nothing big. If this is on the table somehow, what better trade would realistically be there to fix the Hawks wing/center problem?

If Korver can shoot at 45+% again for the season, I think he can keep starting (but he should only play ~30 mpg at most). The attention he draws when he is on his game is worth it. The problem this season was that he shot only 38% before the All-Star break and 42% after that. That is still very good, of course, but it doesn't have the same effect as a guy shooting nearly 50% from 3. ANd if he does not draw extra attention, then the areas where he is lacking, shine more. You saw in the playoffs how much these 6-7% "more" do for him and the team (+/-).

You ignore them anyway and you could look them up yourself. Or you actually cannot, because your too stupid....then I am actually sorry for you.

q.e.d. You are a retard, sorry. There is no area where Mack was ever better, even being an older, 4-year college veteran. Not even shooting, incredibly enough. The fact hat you don't even know how much they earned in salaries these years is just funny. Get out of here! I am done with you, you disgraced yourself enough.

Oh my god, I totally did not see that we are not in the NHL and don't switch out blocks at a time. Thank you, mate! How could I not see that Schröder plays ans many minutes as Teague? The moron I am thought that 20 =/= 28! No wonder I was that bad at maths in school! And of course, Teague played as many minutes with the bench players as Schröder! How could I miss that? IT IS ALL THE SAME, YOU ARE RIGHT! And now, if only there was a way to prove that Schröder prefers to chuck the ball at an insane rate, because he misses so many obvious passes. Oh wait, there is and he shoots at basically the same clip as Teague does. AS I HAVE ALREADY SHOWN YOU IN ANOTHER POST. Come back to me when you can back up any of your stupid claims with something more than you made-up bullshit. But the nagain, you said Mack was better than Schröder, so...maybe it is just hopeless.

Stop posting bullshit about things you don't know shit about. I seriously hope Schröder gives your girl back to you or whatever he may have done to you. I watched Schröder since he started to play organized Basketball and I know the coach that brought him up. Dennis in Europe was as much a floor general as anyone at that age, leading his leagues in assists every single year, and earlier had to be begged to take over games with scoring (and by the way, he played with 20 years and under players 90% of the time), even though it was incredibly easy for him to do so. He wants to dominate, but he does not care whether it is scoring, running the team or destroying his opponent with his defense - he actually prefers (or maybe preferred) the latter two. Since he is one of the only scoring threats off the bench, especially this season with Bazemore getting a starting spot and not being replaced adequately, his role is of course different from Teagues. He played with THJr, Sefolosha, Mike Scott and Muscala. Mike Scott is the only not awful player offensively and he even he is off and on. Do you really think you can play the same way with tehse gus as you can with Korver, Bazemore, Millsap and Horford? Don't be stupid. And if you think that his way of playing is not intended and actually demanend of him by the coaching staff, you may actually be the fool your post make you seem to be. You really think a player that would ignore what he is supposed to do would get his minutes and would finish more and more games as the season went on, including elimination games in the playoffs, if the coaching staff wasn't happy and confident with him overall? Are you kidding me? The question the Hawks have to answer this offseason is this: Do you rather have 28-33 year old Jeff Teague for 12+ millions a year (probably 4-5 year contract) or 23 year old Schröder for ~8 millions a year (probably on a shorter contract, if I were Schröder). Schröder is leaps and bounds better on defense already, and even if a lot of the other skills may (or may not) be still slightly better than Schröders, do you want to bet that Schröder does not improve to Teagues level within the next couple of years? The money saved alone would make me pick Schröder, plus you at least have the chance of getting a better player, because Teague is what he is at this point: a good starting PG (neither one of them will ever be one of the 2 best players on a championship team). Also you gain more time. If you keep Teague, you will get a few more years in his prime and then end up with an old PG that relies on his quickness with (currently) no backup plan. If you keep Schröder you will have at least 7 more years of this level of production.

1. Dennis ha sone of the highest AST% in the whole league. 2. Bud wants him to score because there is no scoring on the bench except Mike Scott (when he has it going), since Bazemore had to start this season I am all for discussing things, but please back it up with something.

Why would the Spurs do Mills for a 2nd rounder?

Hawks shooting under 35% on 3's --> will be hard to win a game. And I said it 6 minutes in: the starters are digging a hole again...and they did. 36 to 18 bench scoring (40 seconds remaining), mainly by Schröder was not enough. For all the Schröder hating of late, if your All-Stars play like shit (all 4 of them), they won't win a game.

Both don't play well, but in todays NBA, if your Bigs play as soft as Al Horford on Pick&Rolls and cannot hit an open jumper, it just becomes so much harder for the point guards. Horford rolls to the basketbet agressively in like every 10th game. The other 9 he just shoots mid range jumpers and if they don't fall, goodbye P&R. And without P&R, your offense is shit in todays NBA. It is still a team game and the whole team has been struggling for a while now.

Teague 25:57 minutes Schröder 20:17 minutes Haven't seen the game yet, but if Teague still plays more minutes in a game like this...how cna Dennis get any more minutes ever? =)

Do people actually watch these videos before posting "lol the defense was much more physical, he would drop 60 a game i ntodays NBA!!!!111"? Are you serious? The defense in that era compared to today was piss-easy to score against. Just because in some games some Enforcer punched someone else in the face doesn't make it hard to play against in any way. Just look at players like Leonard, Allen, Sefolosha etc. hounding people on the defensive end today. And that's not even considering the vastly improved team-defense and schemes. i ntodays game

I seriously wonder what Schröder has done to you, Diesel. It is hard enough to follow your criticism at all, but insinuating that Mack got shafted by Dennis being ahead of him? Are you serious? Mack is already 25 years old, is a worse shooter than Dennis across the board (FG%, 3pt%, FT%, TS%, you name it), is a worse rebounder, has a much lower AST% etc. The only thing he does better is protecting the ball, which may very well be the case bcause he doesn't risk anything either. I wish him all the best, but if you think there was any doubt who was the 6th/7th man and BU PG of this team after last season, wow... Same for Teague. You don't seem to realize that he, like Mack, is likely as good as he ever will be, while Schröder will improve over the next 2-3 years (at least). The only question is by how much. And you could argue that his oveall package (especially considering his defense) has reached Teagues level already this season - 5 years earlier. So if you think about having to pay 28-33 year old Teague 12+ millions (or more) per year or get 23-28 year old Schröder for propably around 6-10 millions a year (depending on how he finishes this season), what would your answer be?

Okay, let's play this game and have a little fun :) Dennis is averaging 19.1 points, 8 assists, 1.6 steals and 5 rebounds per 36 minutes at the moment. He is 22 years old and in his 3rd season. Which players put up similar numbers (18+ points, 7+ assists, 1+ steal, 4+ rebounds per 36 minutes) in any of their first 3 years while being 23 years or younger? 4 players in NBA history. HYPE! ;) Russel Westbrook, Clyde Drexler, Rod Strickland and Dennis If we lower the points per 36 minutes to 15 per game, the list is a little longer and Dennis has two qualifying season (this and last year). Thats actually not bad company I would say.

Do you have anything to substantiate your claims (shooting too much, me first attitude etc.), Diesel? Per 36 Minutes/100 possessions, Dennis takes about 1 more shot than Jeff Teague does. Considering he is the main scoring threat off the bench and plays significant minutes together with very limited offensive players like Splitter/Muscala, Sefolosha etc., I consider that to be normal or maybe even fewer shots than expected. He also is among the league leaders in AST% and I can barely remember any play where does not pass to a player that is open / more open than himself and takes a shot instead. Again, this is playing with very limited personel besides him for large portions of the playing time he gets. And for me, the eye-test confirms these statistics. Now, I never advocated for getting rid of Teague, but I think the Hawks do need to make a decision in the offseason. Schröder is too good to stay on the bench and, more importantly, he will not be satisfied staying on the bench. Especially when you could argue that he is surpassing Teague this season while being 5 years younger. So either you trade Teague or Schröder in the offseason or you risk losing a valuable asset for nothing. Per 36 minute and advanced stats for: Schröder http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/schrode01.html#all_per_minute Teague http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/teaguje01.html#all_per_minute

So this is a selfish chucker...okay then. I guess thats why I find it hard to read posts on this forum sometimes :>

I don't get what people see in Marcus Smart. The dude is shooting 35% from the field, 24% from 3 (while taking 4 of them per game). Thats f***ing terrible! The only thing I could see him being a plus for your team is as a defender. And there are easier ways to get "just a good Defender" at SG.

Another undersized PF? Sounds great. This one can't even shoot, which is nothing this team is build around anyway... (there might be some irony in this post)

Watch the game, mate. Schröder played amazing in this one. Should have had at least 6-7 assists but Horford, Scott and Co. missed open shots, dunks and lay-ups all game long. The Hawks should have been up by 10+ when Teague came back in with 6 minutes to play in the 4th. Teague and Korver have been playing horrible for weeks now. Thats the main reason. Horford is not the type of player that can compensate two starters regularly stinking it up on both ends by scoring 25+ all the time.

It helps Dennis (and the team) so much when the P&R partner roles to the rim. Horford did that a lot in this game and boy, did it pay dividends! I stil lhope that maybe the Hawks get Daniel Theis (23 years, 6'8 PF, who shoots 41% from 3 with great shotblocking and athleticism. Played with Dennis in Braunschweig) as a backup PF. He needs an athletic big man who threatens to shoot or straight up dunk the ball off an alley-hoop pass to run his PR with. Horford has been too reluctant for the most part.