REHawksFan

I've said all along I don't think John gets traded unless it's part of some blockbuster trade. The Hawks want to win now and they have no one to replace John if he's traded. I don't think there's anyway TS trades him this year. He could absolutely trade him next year after matching though IF he doesn't think JC is part of the future core.

Not for nothing but they could also match and then trade him next year. Don't HAVE to trade him this year.

Truer words have never been spoken.

To be fair, the Hawks defense was Top 10 before Hunter got hurt and Bruno wasn't playing much at all. So let's not act like they need Bruno to be better at defense. I will agree that for short stints, he helps out and I'd rather see him at C than Gallo. But that's as far as I'd take it.

Interesting on BB. Has to be based on Sacto production cuz he hasn't been healthy enough to show much this year. And I would have thought the trade kicker would have severely limited his interest. Also, I can't imagine the Hawks have any real appetite to trade Huerter unless they got a promising young player in return. Like an MPJ type player or something.

I think Hawks win 5 out of first 6 and will sit in LA at 21-21 with 30 games left. Then they 18-12 over the last 30 and finish 39-33 which will tie the boston team for 4th place. Hawks win the tie breaker and get home court in 1st round.

Starting to see a pattern with the dude who made that video. His preseason predictions were trash and his opinion of Trae is trash. It's painfully obvious he either doesn't know what he's talking about or has a grudge against the Hawks. Or both.

You got it mixed up. The Hawks have the 22nd hardest remaining schedule (9th easiest if you prefer to look at it that way). Here's the link: http://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength It is imperative that the Hawks get off to a good start. 4-1 or 5-0 would be ideal obviously but the main thing is give themselves a little breathing room for the west coast trip. Really don't want a situation where they HAVE to 5-3 or something just to stay in the playoff hunt. If they can survive the road trip around .500, they'll be in REALLY good shape for the home stretch.

Don't mind me....I'm just frustrated with never getting to see this team healthy. Get one guy back, lose another. So frustrating.

Definitely infuriating throughout most of it. But by the end I was just laughing at this dude. But one thing he said was accurate...the way to shut people up (including this dude) is to lead the hawks to the playoffs and win. Do that and no one will be able to say anything. I know Trae believes he can do it. I'm in the minority but I believe he can too. We'll just have to see if he's right or the haters are right.

Still think the most pressing need is a back up big that can anchor the D when Capela sits. But I agree, no news is good news in terms of major activity. With that said, I typically get a little nervous when there's literally NO news because a lot of times these major deals come out of no where. So, basically.......

Aren't the Hawks supposed to have one of the top sports medicine teams in the NBA? Why is it that rarely do we have a player come back early or at the short end of the time frame? Always seems to be longer than expected and "we'll update in 2 weeks"

Are you sure that is correct?? I don't think missed shots due to being fouled count as FGA. I can't find anything that supports that statement either. I'm pretty sure missed shots do not count but makes do.

Personally, there's nothing arbitrary about looking at what Trae is actually accomplishing and then looking to see how many players in NBA history have accomplished the same or better. I think that's fair. And by definition if no other player in history is putting up the combination of numbers he is then it IS historic. You can do the same for Luka, Dame, Harden, Steph, whomever you choose. There's nothing wrong with looking to see how many people are putting up the same or better numbers as a given player. But the real question, in my mind anyway, is what is the relevance or importance of these stats? How challenging is it to put up those numbers and what do they mean? I get that you could always add in some random statistic specific to one player that would exclude all others, but that's not what anyone is doing here. If you break it down like @thecampster did and look at the combination of scoring and assists with the number of FTs, it paints the picture of a much more well rounded player than a lot of historical players. And yes, context matters too because the era they play in and style and pace of play also impact these numbers. I just think looking at the overall season Trae (or any player) has and then measuring that against other players is a good way to determine how common it is for a player to put up those numbers. IF Trae, Luka, and Harden all end up as the only 3 players in history to put up certain numbers, does it make them less historical? Not at all, imo.

He's the one young player that I had thought of that matches salaries AND might be value for value. I'd do this if I were the Hawks and Denver really wanted JC. Trae / Bogie / Hunter / MPJ / Capela I can dig that.

21-20 would look mighty nice heading out west. It's not likely, but it's not impossible either with those teams on the schedule.

Thank you. I'm glad someone else sees it. I was starting to lose my sanity explaining the same things over and over.

Well keep in mind I'm talking about his style of play, not individual play scenarios. You make it out like I'm saying that passing is never the right play. Of course it is. Nate would agree and so to, Rayford, I think. The key for Trae is knowing when to pass and when to take it upon himself to score. Again, Nate and Mr. Young would agree. You like putting words in people's mouths that we didn't say. It's not a zero sum deal. It can and is both. I'm saying I think Trae and the Hawks fair better when early in the game, Trae is establishing his own scoring whether through jumpers or attacking the lane. Then he and the Hawks play off of that. By play off of that, I mean PASSING. I swear I can't figure out if you are being difficult just for the sake of it or if you actually believe the nonsense you are claiming that I say, or intend to say. Either way, I think we've reached the point where I'm no longer interested in explaining the same things over and over and over to you.

So is Atlanta not interested in Randle or is Minny not interested in trading KAT? Unless Atlanta intends to match whatever offer JC gets, I find it hard to imagine they could do better than Randle for JC/Snell. Personally, I'd just keep JC if I were in charge, but I'm trying to think through the options if they weren't on board with JC longterm.

Now you are getting it. For Trae, making the right play is shooting first. Facilitating once that's established. Glad you came around, this discussion was exhausting.

Except it IS consistent with what I've been saying. This is where you seem to be employing selective reading or comprehension skills. I've said over and over today that I applaud that pass. No issue with it whatsoever. It fits EXACTLY with what I've been saying. Trae established his scoring early in the game and then let the facilitating flow out of that. That's EXACTLY what he needs to do. His growth is in understanding at what points he needs to be the superstar and at what point he needs to trust his teammates. That's where he's still learning. But the way the game played out yesterday was exactly the way @TheNorthCydeRises and I and others have been saying Trae needs to play. I'm not sure why you keep thinking I don't want him passing. How much larger and bolder and using colorful fonts do I need to do to get you to actually read the post and comprehend it????? To your point about Nate, I've also said IF they can develop into a consistent defensive team then that will also take the burden off of Trae and make it less necessary for him to be be that scorer that he needs to be now.

I already explained myself in that thread and again in this one. But what the hell, here goes again. When I say "playing the right way," I'm talking about this idea that LP used to talk about all the time and several, including you, on here have alluded to. That is, pass the ball around until it finds an open man, making the extra pass to get the best shot. The problem I have had with that system is - with few notable exceptions - this team didn't have the supporting cast around Trae to actually MAKE the open shots consistently. How many times have we all groaned when Cam or Gallo or even Kevin missed a wide open shot throughout the game? But hey, Trae made the "right pass" and his teammates blew it. With Trae, he needs to score for the Hawks to win. The data suggests he needs to score at least 25-26 points for them to win. I hope we can agree on that, since it's factual information and not my opinion. My point in saying that "playing the right way" doesn't really work for Trae is that generally when he plays games with a focus on facilitating, he does so in lieu of looking for his own shot. Against the Pacers he played the entire game and didn't take a single 3. But hey, he had 14 asts so he was really facilitating. And the Hawks lost by 12 pts. What I have noticed with Trae is that he's almost always going to find his teammates throughout the game. He's only had two games all year with less than 5 ast and only 6 games with less than 7. He's going to facilitate. But he seems to play better overall when he establishes himself as a scorer FIRST and then lets the rest of his game flow through that. "Playing the right way" runs counter to that because it means that early in the game and throughout the entire game he should always be looking to make the next pass and facilitate for his teammates. But his teammates don't consistently come through. And not only that, defenses KNOW his teammates don't come through consistently so Cam / Solo / etc... will ALWAYS be open for Trae to pass to. So when he's more focused on looking for his teammates, he's foregoing his own shot to the detriment of the team. I'm not now - and have never - said he shouldn't rack up assists or that he shouldn't facilitate or make the right pass. What I am saying is that usually when he's focused on that early on, he has a harder time getting into his own offense later. Bottom line for me, Trae seems to play better overall (that's both scoring and facilitating) when he's looking to score first and then letting the passing flow out of that mindset. And it makes sense too because as he establishes himself scoring, it will open up more spacing for his teammates and make their offense easier. And not JUST 3pters. I want him focusing on the floater and attacking. Then once he's drawing the defenders, pass out of it. It also gets him in an early rhythm that a lot of times is carried throughout the game. I really hope this makes sense. I'm tired of arguing with you about this, but this is my opinion. And it's one that's backed up by a good bit of data. I'd appreciate if you want to discuss it, that you at least characterize what I say accurately going forward.

I'm really not sure what else I can say to help you understand. My statements have been the exact same in every post. He needs to be a scorer first and then facilitate. Why are you ignoring half of what I say? I'm legitimately not sure what your issue is and why you continually mischaracterize the things I have been very consistent about.

And you can't find one line where I've said Trae should not be a facilitator and should only shoot. Not one. Yet you continually mischaracterize my comments and statements in an attempt to make me look like I'm saying he should stand around and shoot all game. It's tiresome nonsense.