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I think Salim should be untradeable for now, because he has shown a pure ability to score and score big. With that said, why would a team at the bottom of the league give up a talent like that? Throw in Chillz or Lue instead and bring back Bibby and a 1st, and ATL would have something to really be buzzing about. Bibby and JJ in the backcourt together alone would make Hawks contenders for the 8th spot in the East. I think Bibby would flourish here in Atlanta where he'd be free to be a go-to-guy without the Adelman offensive system. EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY unlikely, it is a good trade idea to think about. I just think Andre Miller is more obtainable while Artest is dangling around as trade bait and he's much cheaper than Bibby.

Bottom Line: He should be playing and Lue shouldn't. Hell, Ivey should get more minutes than Lue right now.

These are the guys that are hindering this team from progressing and blossoming: 1. MIKE WOODSON - We have to fire this guys to give our a guys a decent coaching system to even grow into. These guiys are soon grow into habitual losers with a system that doesn't serve as a good fit for the talent in any way. 2. Tyronn Lue - He has to go in any deal we make (hopefully LAL, who wanted him in the summer). He's really keeping our progress halted with his horrible defense on PG. Especially his 4th qtr. defense on the last 3 teams' PGs - Mike James, Brevin Knight, Raymond Felton, Derrick (80 years old) Martin, Jaque VAUGHN!!! OMG he at least needs to give some of those minutes way Salim more. 3. Al - I only say this because he's the only valuable bait that we are dangling and the only guys who can return us a good player to fill a need. Other that, I think we should go ahead and get a jump on resigning before the summer so other teams can't offer anything. We goota use this Atest saga to land us either Andre Miller or Lamar Odom before it's too late. I think those 2 teams want Artest badly and both can sacrifice the best players to get him.

Do any of you guys in the North Atlanta areas know of a competitve men's bball league around that I could put a team in? I'm really hoping to find something in the Dunwoody/ Roswell/ Buckhead/ Alpharetta/ Sandy Springs areas.

LUE has become a defensive liability every since last year when Woody let him be a scorer, because we needed scoring so much!!! Now he can't stop an injured PG that's not playing. I mean he really sucks on defense now. I remember when he only played defense in LA and gave AI fits in the playoffs. That gave him a reputation that he wasn't really deserving of, DEFENSIVE stopper. We should get a 3-way trade with LAL and IND, since LAL wants Artest and Phil loves Lue. ATL sends: Al + Lue ATL receives: Odom + IND's 1st LAL sends: Odom LAL receives: Artest + Lue IND sends: Artest + 1st IND receives: Al

I agree with you 100 F'N percent!!! How in the hell can you coach a healthy team with JJ, Al, ZaZa, and Salim to victory over a team led in scoring by Brvin Knight with 22. I mean the the next highest points scored by a Bobcat was 13. DAMN!!! And they were missing May, Okafor, and Rush. POOR!!! POOR!!! POOR Coaching!!!

David Andersen doesn't seem to fit what we need here in Atlanta, especially since we got ZaZa. David doesn't seem to be a shotblocker at all (only 2 blocks over all those games?). Either that means he is not athletic or he is terrible defensively. Zaza is the best man we've had since Mutombo and would have solve our problems if we had a true PF inside that blocks shots, rebounds, and run the floor like Bosh, Garnett, or J. O'neal. With defensive numbers like those, I'll be surprise if David will ever rock a Hawks uni.

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all of my fellow RealGMers, Hawksquawkers, Hawks.comers, Hoopshypers, and Insidehoopers. Enjoy today as much as I am or more and continue congregating amongst our community of Hawks faithful. LET'S go Hawks!!! Playoffs may not be out of the question....

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all of my fellow RealGMers, Hawksquawkers, Hawks.comers, Hoopshypers, and Insidehoopers. Enjoy today as much as I am or more and continue congregating amongst our community of Hawks faithful. LET'S go Hawks!!! Playoffs may not be out of the question....

This overall equation just pissed me off so much that it damn near spoiled my X-Mas Eve (not X-Mas): FALCONS Poor play calling on critical downs (4th and OT) Horrible defense throughout the 2nd half Embarrasing sense of pride/ urgency (last 4 games) + Completely disasterous _______________________________ Sickening losses and shameful fall from contender to pretender in one month. Really crushed my feeling on what the Falcons are capable of accomplishing. SAD.

Allen a bunch of games over the last 2 seasons, including almost half of a season when Flip Murray blew up and then blew out when Allen returned.

NO need to trade young guys that have great attributes and high potential for an aging beast and an unproven, untested stiff (who has bust written all over him), huh? I'm not saying Darko isn't worth a trade, because I think he needs to leave DET and get some PT before it's too far in his career to even produce at his highest potential. I'm also not saying that we can't use Big Ben, because he brings exactly what we need most; TOUGHNESS, HEART, and EXPERIENCE. I'm simply saying we can't give up 2 key peices to what we've built so far.

HELLLL NOOOOO!!!

I feel ya. Big John even blocked a Shaq attempt, but of course.....Refs called a foul! But J-Ed didn't really back down too much from him though. I say it again. Big J-Ed would be a nice center if they can develop him properly. I think he could be very much like a poor man's Kevin McHale, but with Rik Smits-like stats. Now with a solid PF (Bosh/ Frye/ Garnett) starting next to Zaza, and J-Ed as a backup C, this season will have already done wonders for us inside and soildified our nucleus for the future. So I say it again. We need to develop Big John into a tougher, more aggressive low post threat, and better shotblocker. Because he has the size and ability.

I kinda like that Marvin for Bosh proposal and I think both teams could have a potential star and come away happy. Bosh would be great here, especially if AL's traded. But to get Bosh without trading Smoove, JJ, Zaza, or Al. That a no-brainer, whether Marvin becomes a superstar or not. I say throw in Lue in as a filler. Then we could deal Al for Watson and Nene because Lue will be gone and Watson could get his desired starting spot and Nene could backup both Bosh and Zaza if he come back early from the injury. Bosh would give us a better low post alternative to giving Zaza 3-4 touches and then going away from him. C - Zaza/ Nene/ J-Edwards PF - Bosh/ Nene/Batitsta SF - Smoove/ Marvin/ Donta SG - JJ/ Chillz/ Salim PG - Watson/ Ivey

The only Artest trade the Hawks should take part in is a beneficial 3-way trade that lands us either a significant PF or PG or both and sends Artest to a third party. Reason being is that Artest is not going to welcome a losing team, and he does not have a great "team" attitude nor does he have a sense of one. That will do nothing but hurt our team moral, chemistry (even more), and the development of our young guys. I like these 3-way trade ideas: 1. ATL/ INDY/ SAC ATL - trades Al + Delk and gets Peja + INDY's 1st INDY - trades Artest + 1st and gets Al SAC - trades Peja and gets Artest + Delk 2. ATL/ INDY/ LAL ATL - trades Al + Delk + Lue and gets Odom + INDY's 1st INDY - trades Artest + 1st and gets Al + Delk LAL - trades Odom and gets Artest + Lue 3. ATL/ INDY/ NYK ATL - trades Al + Delk + 1st and gets Frye + Tinsley INDY - trades Artest + Tinsley and gets Al + Crawford + ATL's 1st NYK - trades Frye + Crawford and gets Artest + Delk

WOW. Did he realy pass?

NO, I don't beleive he is. I think it was just Lue finally playing more like he did last year and finally producing at the PG spot. Even though Ivey and Lue played very good and we won, benching Salim [with his abiities] can bite us in the azz, because you never can not need his scoring. Lue almost blew the game byu constantly getting beat by Parker. So good to see us beat the best!!!

Josh Smith? Out for what? I missed the last 2 games...

Andre Miller's game never sucked... + He only grew and got better and then ended up going to DEN where he does way more than just score... + Andre Miller is one of the league's best penetrating PG who know how to run a break, set guys up for shots, and make his team better... + He has the ability to get to the FT line like 5-6 times/ game and makes nearly 82%, which is really punishing late in games for opponents...(We all know that's where we a PG the most) + The guy avg. 14 pts, 4 rpg, 7 apg + 1.4 steals for his career... The Hawks don't have a veteran PG that can do those things on a nightly basis. He only makes a little bit more than Al's current contract, so we'd still have room to sign a Ben Wallace or Nene in the offseason.

about the Toronto game, and it clearly proves that Woody can not coach these guys. Think about this: On Charlie Villanueva's layup, Childress was inches away (not super close, but inches nonetheless) from blocking it. Now ask yourself: "Why in the hell wasn't Smoove in the game (in Chillz's spot) and couldn't he have easily made that game-winning block?" "Why is Chillz always in the game at the crunch time, while Smoove is clearly the better defender?" Now, it's a given that Chillz has a better bball IQ and is a bit more tenacious. "Isn't Smoove is more athletic, quicker, and a lot more talented, defensively?" Woody just makes poor decisions in game defining moments, and his mistakes in those situations alone, have cost the Hawks at least 3 of the close losts. How long do we have to tough this disgusting situation out without a change?

Here are TWO very possible ways to get Andre Miller... #1 Hawks get: Andre Miller Nene Nuggets get: Al Harrington Tony Delk or Josh Childress //////////////////// #2 Hawks get: Andre Miller Channing Frye Nuggets get: Quentin Richardson Tony Delk or Josh Childress Knicks get: Al Harrington Voshon Leonard Future ATL pick (if needed)

Can someone please tell me why do teams need so many controversial calls to beat the Hawks this year? WTF is going on? Especially with Portland. Now I know basketball well enough to know that one play doesn't win or lose a game, but one play in a tied game with one a sec. left is devastating. That's twice the refs have given POR wins over the Hawks at the buzzer. WTF!!! WTF!!! WTF!!! Now some of us around the boards have been very suspicious of a NBA conspiracy against the Hawks and this really keeps my curiousity going a little more.

Am I the only fan to think these all sound like coaching issues...

Definately agree with that...Emphatically!!! I would rather us offer the "Reign Man" a contract rather than John Thomas. DAMN. Kemp used to be my favorite player next to Dominique.