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I love that game NBA 2K6 and I'm happy to see any Hawks getting some recognition. NBA 2K6 is simply put, the best and most complete "NBA basketball" created so far. NBA Live 06 couldn't carry its jock this year and I can't wait for this year's (2K7) version. If you haven't played it, go find a way to check it out and then play it for a little while and you'll never stop seeing new thing in the game.

I vote for us to trade Delk + Lue for Knight + Ely.

I hate to say it, but Al is killing us. He is a ship anchor holding these guys back from developing and winning (just a couple more) games. Feburary 23rd is only about 3 weeks away, so maybe we only have to put up with him for that long. I wouldn't mind AL staying, but I think we'd be a lot better, a lot faster if he's moved for a talented PG. Al + Delk for Andre Miller would be a bit of a dream come true for all of us, huh?

What about Al + Delk to GS for T. Murphy + 2K6 1st.

Pretty nice! There were alot of fights that I had never seen before watching that. But how a "Best of NBA Fights" video not include the Artest vs DET or Kobe vs Childs altercations?

Just imagine what his numbers would be like if Al was already traded and we had a good PG like Andre Miller.

You must be talking about JJ Reddick, because you haven't really been watching Joe Johnson in Atlanta, have ya? Though he's not quite the Kobe/ T-Mac, he is pretty explosive at times and does dunk here and there. He just has to continue to grow into the role of leader and learn how to play like a $12M+/ year allstar, all while keeping Al happy and manning the point 40-50% of the time. We need a pure PG that will allow JJ to play like he did last night more consistently. He commented on that very topic, saying that it takes a lot of pressure off him. It allows him to play SG and be more aggressive scoring-wise. So start watching more than just the tip off and the boxscores.

IND is falling and fading fast, and they are more ready to move Artest than ever. They are losing games in bunches (esp. tonight, losing by 30) and the time for us to take advantage of the Artest saga is NOW!!! ATL should really push for one of the following deals: 1. Al (to IND) + Delk (to DEN) | Artest (to DEN) | A. Miller (to ATL) 2. Al (to IND) + Lue (to LAL) | Artest (to LAL) | Odom or Mihm/ George (to ATL) DEN - is hot for Artest and could use his perimeter defense and they could maybe part with Dre and accept Delk. LAL - has nothing to really offer IND, but we can offer LAL a veteran PG (who's played in LA under Phil). Artest has also been rumored to have bought a house in LA. IND - see above ATL - we are desperate and we must get something in return for AL to make up for the last 2 years of trading expiring contracts for next to nothing. Though Andre Miller or Odom would be "off the meter" good for us, Mihm would be a good fit, because he's more aggressive now, he blocks shots, and rebounds well. Keep in mind, AL only wanted to leave IND to get a starting spot and now with Artest leaving, he'd start in IND. I think either of the deals above would really improve our team overall and helps us win consistently now, while staying young. Either of these lineups would make us a whole lot better and get us way more wins than our current lineup: 1. Zaza / Odom / Smoove / JJ / Salim - (3 ball handlers + more shots available for Salim (who's ready) to start + Odom is the 2nd most "versatile" PF in the game [behind Garnett]) 2. Zaza / Smoove / Marvin / JJ / Andre - (we'd finally fill our PG void in a big way + Andre is a pass first PG that would get the ball to JJ like Nash did + Andre would get our tempo up and allow that young horses to run and gun) 3. Mihm / Smoove / George or Marvin / JJ / Salim - (Mihm and Smoove would definately improve our interior defense with our starters + Guys will look to free up/ get the ball to Salim alot more + Zaza could still get starter minutes or could maybe even start with Mihm - )

Quote: FROM PG to SG.... I think he has lost some value. Do you continue to pay a SG 14 million dollars if your team only has 10 wins? And let's open the unstated.. Why is it that GAURDS are blowing past JJ every night for their season highs??? Nah, you have JJ mixed up with Lue...

SOLUTION: ATL/ IND/ DEN trade ATL gets Andre Miller IND gets Al Harrington DEN gets Ron Artest + Tony Delk WHY? It only makes perfect sense for all 3 teams!!! ATL: We are crying out for true PG play and leadership on the floor and Al's the only asset that could return a PG of Andre's calibre. All of our guys would begin to flourish with his hardnose penetration, playmaking, and comfort with running the break. He'd also probably go up from being 4th in the NBA in assist, since we have less one-on-one players and more shooters, young athletes, and slashers than DEN. DEN: They desperately want Artest [PERIOD]. And at the deadline, they could be pressured to sacrifice Andre since the Earls would remain and Delk could provide extra shooting/ scoring and ballhandling. IND: They are starting to fall out of the elite because of Artest's void in the team's chemistry. Al's also a favorite there and his game would be welcomed after winning only 6 of their last 15 games. With a true PG playmaking and pushing the tempo, JJ and Salim could do more shooting and less ballhandling, Marvin and the Joshes could run all day and begin to fill out with bigger roles, and then we could call up Donta Smith to get some decent minutes. All these The whole look and feel of the team would change and sacrificing Al's offense for better team offense is obviously a great improvement. The chemistry, leadership, playmaking, and control increases with this one move. So, Bk needs to get out of the bullsh!t thinking that we must get a pick for Al and get a great player at PG. And he'll be 33 and a UFA when the Joshes are up for new contracts. *** It's easier to find a shotblocker than it is to find a true veteran PG who is young, has playoff experience, and doesn't cost $10+M per.

Smoove doesn't have much help inside and to see Marvin give the effort he did on that dunk attempt was somewhat pleasing. I think Gadz snook Smoove a little bit on that one, but the Hawk will get better as their interior D does. Unfortunately that means waiting until next season. I love Al's offensive game, skills, and desire to lead, but he just doesn't have what would make this team better. If we could move him + Delk (so he can play somewhere) for a proven PG that can get us in a uptempo style and still maintain control in the 1/2court, it's well worth it. Because that more than anything, is what we need right now. We can't look to the draft for a rookie PG to come out and lead us to the playoffs in 1 or 2 years.

It's not easy for none of us to just "accept" how bad we are this year, mainly because of these things: - Acquisition of JJ - Being able to come away with Marvin and Salim in the draft - The great production and efficiency of a young Zaza - The buzz from the improving play at the end of last year - Al being in a contract year - Inspiration/ integrity from Collier's death (Lack there of) All those things really has left me and other Hawks fans wondering, "Why are we so incredibly poor in so many games and then show great promise and potential in others?" This season, like the 5 previous ones, is becoming increasingly disappointing and frustrating after a huge build of minimal expectations. This team is a whole lot better (talent wise) than their record is indicating and Woody is not getting them to achieve what they're capable of. Therefore, if Woody is fired, this team could begin to go to the next level and become a lot more competitive. Now if he's fired and we move Al + fillers (Delk or Lue hopefully) to get a good PG in return, we could make things interesting for the bottom of the Eastern Conference's playoff picture. FIRE WOODY - [better coaching/ leadership/ more development of the Joshes, Marvin, and Salim] = 20-25 wins FIRE WOODY + TRADE AL - [More development of the Joshes, Marvin, and Salim] = 23-27 wins FIRE WOODY + TRADE AL for good PG - [ALl of the above + Better team all around] = 23-27 wins

Precisely.

Quote: LaMarcus Aldridge probably won't even pass his NBA physical. If he was 100% healthy with no lingering problems, I'd rate him second or third on the list, but he's got some major health issues that will affect his draft status. What major health issues?

I like Murphy here too, but I think Fisher is signed for too long for us. I think we should demand Biedrinis and Peitrus instead and offer them Delk or Chillz. Or they could just throw us one of their 2006 1st round picks and keep Fisher.

Who else? Who else is getting all the PG minutes in the 4th quarters? Who is getting killed by any /every PG we face? Who else needs to be traded aside from Al (because of value)? Who else looks like a chicken? - lol!!! Answer: TYRONN LUE!!!

To tell you the truth it is very crushing to me as well, but I think things will eventually get so bad that the only way to go is to fire Woody and/ or deal Al. I already feel like the team is to that point, but I get the feeling that management doesn't feel that way. And that is very sad but that's all we have to go on. Even though I try hard to be patient, I feel that this is the sole reason that fans are not so quick to attach themselves to BK and this so-called "Atlanta Spirit" group. They have the hardest time making deals happen and fill the teams needs despite numerous opportunities to better the team (i.e. C. Paul/ Al 3-way/ JJ's S&T/ choosing a coach in 2004/ firing Woody/ etc). I have faith in them and I am pleased with most of the decisions that they've made, but I think they have to be a little bit more aggressive in the decision-making process. I just hope Lue is included in any deal we make and we can return a PG like Andre Miller.

I think Salim should be untradeable for now, because he has shown a pure ability to score and score big. With that said, why would a team at the bottom of the league give up a talent like that? Throw in Chillz or Lue instead and bring back Bibby and a 1st, and ATL would have something to really be buzzing about. Bibby and JJ in the backcourt together alone would make Hawks contenders for the 8th spot in the East. I think Bibby would flourish here in Atlanta where he'd be free to be a go-to-guy without the Adelman offensive system. EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY unlikely, it is a good trade idea to think about. I just think Andre Miller is more obtainable while Artest is dangling around as trade bait and he's much cheaper than Bibby.

Bottom Line: He should be playing and Lue shouldn't. Hell, Ivey should get more minutes than Lue right now.

These are the guys that are hindering this team from progressing and blossoming: 1. MIKE WOODSON - We have to fire this guys to give our a guys a decent coaching system to even grow into. These guiys are soon grow into habitual losers with a system that doesn't serve as a good fit for the talent in any way. 2. Tyronn Lue - He has to go in any deal we make (hopefully LAL, who wanted him in the summer). He's really keeping our progress halted with his horrible defense on PG. Especially his 4th qtr. defense on the last 3 teams' PGs - Mike James, Brevin Knight, Raymond Felton, Derrick (80 years old) Martin, Jaque VAUGHN!!! OMG he at least needs to give some of those minutes way Salim more. 3. Al - I only say this because he's the only valuable bait that we are dangling and the only guys who can return us a good player to fill a need. Other that, I think we should go ahead and get a jump on resigning before the summer so other teams can't offer anything. We goota use this Atest saga to land us either Andre Miller or Lamar Odom before it's too late. I think those 2 teams want Artest badly and both can sacrifice the best players to get him.

Do any of you guys in the North Atlanta areas know of a competitve men's bball league around that I could put a team in? I'm really hoping to find something in the Dunwoody/ Roswell/ Buckhead/ Alpharetta/ Sandy Springs areas.

LUE has become a defensive liability every since last year when Woody let him be a scorer, because we needed scoring so much!!! Now he can't stop an injured PG that's not playing. I mean he really sucks on defense now. I remember when he only played defense in LA and gave AI fits in the playoffs. That gave him a reputation that he wasn't really deserving of, DEFENSIVE stopper. We should get a 3-way trade with LAL and IND, since LAL wants Artest and Phil loves Lue. ATL sends: Al + Lue ATL receives: Odom + IND's 1st LAL sends: Odom LAL receives: Artest + Lue IND sends: Artest + 1st IND receives: Al

I agree with you 100 F'N percent!!! How in the hell can you coach a healthy team with JJ, Al, ZaZa, and Salim to victory over a team led in scoring by Brvin Knight with 22. I mean the the next highest points scored by a Bobcat was 13. DAMN!!! And they were missing May, Okafor, and Rush. POOR!!! POOR!!! POOR Coaching!!!

David Andersen doesn't seem to fit what we need here in Atlanta, especially since we got ZaZa. David doesn't seem to be a shotblocker at all (only 2 blocks over all those games?). Either that means he is not athletic or he is terrible defensively. Zaza is the best man we've had since Mutombo and would have solve our problems if we had a true PF inside that blocks shots, rebounds, and run the floor like Bosh, Garnett, or J. O'neal. With defensive numbers like those, I'll be surprise if David will ever rock a Hawks uni.

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