Damon Stoudamire... Bloated Stats? Get a life.

[Diesel]

I watched Toronto more than any other team during Damon's first three yrs. Back when it was him and Oliver Miller, Alvin Robertson, and Sharone Wright (Wright was the reason I watched them a lot.). Anyway, Damon played his tail off. And when they got Camby, they had dynasty potential (but bad coaching and bad Management hurt them bad.).

But for you to say that Stoudamire stats were bloated or even to suggest that, lets me know that you didn't watch?!? Have you even attempted to watch him in portland? He's still really good, just Short. If he could defend Kobe, Francis, Payton, and all the other tall gaurds out west, he'd be THE MAN. I believe he can still get 20/9 in a 38 mpg clip.

[Guest]

But for you to say that Stoudamire stats were bloated or even to suggest that, lets me know that you didn't watch?!? Have you even attempted to watch him in portland? He's still really good, just Short. If he could defend Kobe, Francis, Payton, and all the other tall gaurds out west, he'd be THE MAN. I believe he can still get 20/9 in a 38 mpg clip."

How many games did the Raptors improve during

his time there?This is what I want to know...Did

they win or didn't they?I don't give a flying [censored]

if JT average 9APG and we lose.I don't give a

crap about that.He goes to Portland and his assist

start droping with better talent.Why??Why does

Damon dissappear when he is needed the most?

It's what doesn't seem to compute through your

head.I don't give a [censored] about 9APG in losses.It

doesn't make jack if the team doesn't win.It means

NOTHING.If we are losing with JT averaging 20PPG

7APG I see your point.But we played the best ball

we have played in years with him at PG.

High numbers in losing games are bloated stats

because they don't help to a winning cause there

fore hurting the meaning of the numbers.

It's about winning and losing games Diesel.It's

winning games and not helping peoples stats in

a losing cause.

If we are losing games with JT at PG then I see

your point,but when he has played PG we have

a winning record and that makes me right.

I don't give a [censored] about DS numbers on a 20

win ball club.They don't mean anything.

Damon can't even defend the guy YOU call a 6'1

undersized SG so don't give me the Francis stuff.

Damon can't even defend JT IN THE EAST and scored

a lousy 2 points againest JT.Where is Mighty Mouse

now?That's right,he had 8APG on the worst team in

the league and he goes to a good team and slips

to 6APG.

If he could average 20/9 in 40MPG why the need

for Jeff McInnis?Why is DS nowhere to be found

in the playoffs?

Damon is a decent PG,HOWEVER the facts are the

same.Speical players make great plays and win

games.The law of averages say most games are

going to be close going toward the 4th and so you

need players that will step up.JT is the only guy

on this team that will do this.I don't want the

Atlanta Braves playing basketball.I want a player

that will actually step up when needed.

[Diesel]

Once again, you look at a record and place it upon a players shoulder. Never mind that Camby was injured alot. Never mind that Sharone Wright was in a car wreck and never was the same again. Never mind that Butch Carter couldn't coach his way out of the paper bag.

It's always the same with you. I guess Derrick Fisher is one of the best PG's in the History of the NBA. Him and Steve Kerr.

[Diesel]

His first three yrs, Damon averaged about 19 ppg, 8.9 apg. Terry has yet to get close. What does that make Terry?

[Guest]

Once again, you look at a record and place it upon a players shoulder. Never mind that Camby was injured alot. Never mind that Sharone Wright was in a car wreck and never was the same again. Never mind that Butch Carter couldn't coach his way out of the paper bag. "

So you got excuses for Damon but JT was supposed to

average 9APG no matter what.Forget Theo was out,

forget Toni/hendu wasn't healthy...forget Hanno

played and he isn't a NBA player.

But there are excuses for Damon.Whatever

[Guest]

His first three yrs, Damon averaged about 19 ppg, 8.9 apg. Terry has yet to get close. What does that make Terry?"

Terry is improving in the win stat.Damon never

did that in Toronto.Terry already averaged 19PPG

and top 8 in steals and top 5 in three's made.

Damon shot a lousy 40.1%

How many shots did he take to get his 19PPG?

[Diesel]

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Terry is improving in the win stat.Damon never

did that in Toronto.

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Terry is not improving the Hawks Win Stats? Getting good players around Terry is improving it.

If we still have LO and Brevin... We'd still be a 27 win team. Period.

In Damon's case, his team LOST good players.

YOUR Logic Sucks. Terry is not responsible for our wins or losses. Neither is Stoudamire for Toronto's. However, if you want to keep that line of thinking. Damon Must be the S--- because when he went to PTL, they got the best record in the NBA.

[Guest]

"Terry is not improving the Hawks Win Stats? Getting good players around Terry is improving it.

If we still have LO and Brevin... We'd still be a 27 win team. Period."

That's why probably six of the players on our roster

last year probably will not be on one this year?

We where 14-something with him at SG and a winning

record with him at PG.We really didn't have any increased

talent either.

JT CLEARLY had a effect on the improvement.His move to

PG increased the wins.In fact,had starter JT at PG

to start with we would have been in the playoffs.We

had our worse month in Jan right before JT moved

to PG....And Terry didn't make any difference?Your

full of [censored]...but what else is new?

I guess you don't consider losing 3 starters for most

of the season losing players...Injuries to Theo/Dion/

Toni.

lol whatever.You just want JT traded so bad you

can taste it.Say you don't but if you do you are

not telling the truth.

What "good"players are you talking about anyway?

Newble the guy you claim is Ty Corbin?Hanno?Hendu

averaging 6PPG.Kukoc inconsisant?

No wonder most people ignore you now.Continue to

try and be different.But being different doesn't make

you right.Talk to me when you get a legit arguement.

[Diesel]

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We where 14-something with him at SG and a winning

record with him at PG.We really didn't have any increased

talent either.

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We were 14-27 in the first half of the season.

We were 19-22 in the second half of the season.

You're argueing about 5 games? 5 games could have been several things:

1. Chemistry.

2. Ease of schedule.

3. increased play of DJ and Ira.

4. Decreased play of Hanno M.

5. The return of Hendu.

I will say this... Moving JT out of the SG spot and putting DJ/Ira in helped our defense a lot because JT was a Liability at the 2. However, there are so many things that could have contributed to 5 games that it's a shame to hear all the hoopla you guys give it.

[Guest]

We were 14-27 in the first half of the season.

We were 19-22 in the second half of the season.

You're argueing about 5 games? 5 games could have been several things:"

HAHA You know good and well we had a winning

record when JT played the PG.It's been mentioned

several times.Mustless we not mention that JT did

not play againest Boston and left early againest

Orlando.

We had a record in the second half in the mold

of Boston but look at them last year.There were winning

before the Rogers trade with basically no increase

talent.Just something else to kill your case=)

The easy record?Well you can also argue our first half

record was too overloaded with more talented teams

so we got alittle more fair schedule in the second half.

See what happens when you twist things around to fit

your arguement?

You are out of order and I am bored.You heard who

won that game last night.You might not like it,but

there is not a damn thing you can do about it but

try and spin it around like you do everything else.

I say blue,you say black....I say coke,you say Pepsi.