Is it naive to

[Vol4ever]

Believe this organization top to bottom will turn it around?  

[Gray Mule]

12 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

Believe this organization top to bottom will turn it around?  

We all live in hope that it happens.  We have that tiny question that keeps popping up, can they?  We've waited for so long.  We think that it will happen.  And then it doesn't.  Hope springs eternal.  This time they will do it right.  We're facing another of those "wait and see" summers.  Sooner or later, something is going to go right for this Hawk team.  Will it happen now?

[REHawksFan]

Depends on who you ask. There are some here that think it's a lost cause and nothing will ever change until the ownership changes.  There are others that think we are just a piece or two away from being really good.  

You asked if it's naïve to believe they WILL turn it around.  I think it's perfectly logical and reasonable to believe they CAN turn it around.  Will and Can are two totally different things, obviously. 

I'd say it's probably more naïve than reasonable to believe they WILL turn it around, but that's only because they haven't really taken the first step to turning it around - spend money.  Until they do that, it's hard to believe they are committed to winning at the highest level. 

But, imo, it's perfectly reasonable to believe they CAN turn it around.  I think I read that Ressler is like the 7th richest owner in the NBA.  So it's not like they are hurting for money.  They just need to commit to spending enough to get better.  IMO, the ship has sailed on the internal development approach.  So it's time to implement the spend till you have a title approach.  Can they do that?  Absolutely.  Will they?  

[sturt]

1 hour ago, REHawksFan said:

Depends on who you ask. There are some here that think it's a lost cause and nothing will ever change until the ownership changes.  There are others that think we are just a piece or two away from being really good.  

You asked if it's naïve to believe they WILL turn it around.  I think it's perfectly logical and reasonable to believe they CAN turn it around.  Will and Can are two totally different things, obviously. 

I'd say it's probably more naïve than reasonable to believe they WILL turn it around, but that's only because they haven't really taken the first step to turning it around - spend money.  Until they do that, it's hard to believe they are committed to winning at the highest level. 

But, imo, it's perfectly reasonable to believe they CAN turn it around.  I think I read that Ressler is like the 7th richest owner in the NBA.  So it's not like they are hurting for money.  They just need to commit to spending enough to get better.  IMO, the ship has sailed on the internal development approach.  So it's time to implement the spend till you have a title approach.  Can they do that?  Absolutely.  Will they?  

Yes. Maybe it bothers you, RE, but we agree.

 

So, effectively then, the most fundamental question is not CAN the owner change how he chooses to operate his business, it's rather WILL he... and with that, then, from a fan's point of view, what conclusion does the preponderance of the evidence point to, after 8 years?

 

There's no question, after all that the team can become good again. The question is, "What happens then?" 

[JTB]

This off season is probably the most historic offseason in the Hawks franchise history in my opinion.

if they don’t get it right it can lead to a very miserable future long term.

 

Hardcore hawk fans like myself will watch from afar but will not tune in.

 

we all knew the Trae/murray tandem HAD to work in order to avoid this and while I may be among the few that believes it could still work with the correct adjustments, most think the tread is already worn out with those two together.

 

whatever trades they have brewing they better not get cold feet cause the number 1 priority should be to retain Trae long term by getting him more help! At least in my opinion .

 

 

[JTB]

1 hour ago, REHawksFan said:

Depends on who you ask. There are some here that think it's a lost cause and nothing will ever change until the ownership changes.  There are others that think we are just a piece or two away from being really good.  

You asked if it's naïve to believe they WILL turn it around.  I think it's perfectly logical and reasonable to believe they CAN turn it around.  Will and Can are two totally different things, obviously. 

I'd say it's probably more naïve than reasonable to believe they WILL turn it around, but that's only because they haven't really taken the first step to turning it around - spend money.  Until they do that, it's hard to believe they are committed to winning at the highest level. 

But, imo, it's perfectly reasonable to believe they CAN turn it around.  I think I read that Ressler is like the 7th richest owner in the NBA.  So it's not like they are hurting for money.  They just need to commit to spending enough to get better.  IMO, the ship has sailed on the internal development approach.  So it's time to implement the spend till you have a title approach.  Can they do that?  Absolutely.  Will they?  

 

1 minute ago, sturt said:

Yes. Maybe it bothers you, RE, but we agree.

 

So, effectively then, the most fundamental question is not CAN the owner change how he chooses to operate his business, it's rather WILL he... and with that, then, from a fan's point of view, what conclusion does the preponderance of the evidence point to, after 8 years?

Let’s say the owner changes and is a fully committed to spending whatever it takes to make the hawks better .

let’s play hypothetically owners are opening the wallet up.

do we have a capable front office that can make good roster moves to build a strong team ???

last I read the front office was trying to make nba 2k trades in real life. I don’t know about you two but I believe we have two problems. Cheap ass owner & a front office of fan boys with no real nba business experience.

 

Another question is this!…what if it’s too late for it to even matter that resseler is willing to pay into the luxury tax?…too late in the process where teams aren’t willing to negotiate with us knowing that we are in a tight place, a sink hole if you will.

while I don’t believe we have a great front office, I also believe Ressler shot his own team in the foot by taking too long to commit to spending the necessary funds to get us to the next level. I mean even if we have a great FO, do they really have enough time in 1 offseason to make meaningful moves to retain Trae or rebuild around Trae/Murray? 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, Vol4ever said:

Believe this organization top to bottom will turn it around?  

Only if they are WILLING to do the hard work and have a singularly focus to put the best possible team on the floor.

TPE and MLE gotta be in uniform.

Pick a direction, stay the course, and don't be distracted with 'stuff'. 

Reminder we started the season with them telling us: avoid the play-in, then by the deadline when they made no trades  it was 'development'  and roster evaluation' (but yet was playing Bogi and Murray a ton of minutes), then at the play-in it was, let's try to win and get into the 8th spot but then they didn't sign Vit to be eligible to play.

Say one thing but actions says another. A very confusing, non directional season!

[Spud2nique]

Who you callin Naeeeevvvee?? 
 

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, Vol4ever said:

Believe this organization top to bottom will turn it around?  

Look at my lions . It only took over 30 years. We gotta get a good owner top to bottom Ressler ain’t it. He’s a business man not even a basketball enthusiast. Sell the team to a Cuban Hawks fan or something.

If I had 5 billion bucks I’d buy the team, get you guys to run the damn thing. The squawk (well mostly) are waaayyyy better than our front office and that IS a direct shot at our clowns . WHY THE HECK IS THIS GUY’S kid NICKY even have a say. Put the lil kid in the corner and let the grown men do business. 
 

Top to bottom. 
 

 

[sturt]

37 minutes ago, JTB said:

 

Let’s say the owner change

do we have a capable front office that can make good roster moves to build a strong team ???

last I read the front office was trying to make nba 2k trades in real life. I don’t know about you two but I believe we have two problems. Cheap ass owner & a front office of fan boys with no real nba business experience.

 

Propose that there is, at least, plausibility that your GM is capable and the jury is just waiting (as it is for most other teams whose GMs have had no high level success) of that evidence to emerge over time.

 

But your GM's capabilities are so much harder to ascertain when he is handicapped by an owner who designed the FO room so that he constantly has a mole present to monitor the work... and yes, handicapped by an owner whose priority is profitability over on court success.

[NBASupes]

It's not a hard fix

Get Edey or to a lesser extent, Clingan. Edey fixes all of our critical issues. Clingan fix most of our critical issues. 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

It's not a hard fix

Get Edey or to a lesser extent, Clingan. Edey fixes all of our critical issues. Clingan fix most of our critical issues. 

Your copy paste button is wearing thin.  Give it a rest bro.

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Your copy paste button is wearing thin.  Give it a rest bro.

It's not a hard post. It's obvious to me. The Hawks need what the Mavs needed last year. Capable Centers that fit their stud. While Lively II and Gafford aren't good offensive players. They are legit specialist and both have a direct skill set that benefits Luka and they pair well together and both are young or in their primes. 

CC is washed.

OO doesn't fit

Bruno clearly doesn't fit Trae but he's nice to have as a 3rd stringer like Forrest. Hard workers who want it bad

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

It's not a hard post. It's obvious to me. The Hawks need what the Mavs needed last year. Capable Centers that fit their stud. While Lively II and Gafford aren't good offensive players. They are legit specialist and both have a direct skill set that benefits Luka and they pair well together and both are young or in their primes. 

CC is washed.

OO doesn't fit

Bruno clearly doesn't fit Trae but he's nice to have as a 3rd stringer like Forrest. Hard workers who want it bad

We are not changing our entire teams fortune by just adding Edey....NOT HAPPENING.

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

We are not changing our entire teams fortune by just adding Edey....NOT HAPPENING.

But it will happen if we take him just like Dallas fortune changed with Lively II

Luka like Trae uses the center as an extention of himself 

Edited April 20 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

Knicks, let me give you some advice, Embiid can beat you by himself. You need a lot of bodies 

[AHF]

5 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Only if they are WILLING to do the hard work and have a singularly focus to put the best possible team on the floor.

TPE and MLE gotta be in uniform.

Pick a direction, stay the course, and don't be distracted with 'stuff'. 

Reminder we started the season with them telling us: avoid the play-in, then by the deadline when they made no trades  it was 'development'  and roster evaluation' (but yet was playing Bogi and Murray a ton of minutes), then at the play-in it was, let's try to win and get into the 8th spot but then they didn't sign Vit to be eligible to play.

Say one thing but actions says another. A very confusing, non directional season!

This post is so good, Jay.  Hawks seem incapable of picking a direction and sticking with it.

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, AHF said:

This post is so good, Jay.  Hawks seem incapable of picking a direction and sticking with it.

They got a direction. They just aren't saying anything publically. 

The biggest thing Fields said was Trae needs more than himself to win in this league. Nothing else really mattered other than they wanted to work on something long term with Vit. What took out was Murray said I hope Garrison is a rotation player in his next home basically knowing Garrison ain't coming back.

They didn't want to say it but they threw the season from a FO stance to see what they had and what they wanted to move forward with. Trae could have played through the injury but this season wasn't worth it. 

[JayBirdHawk]

9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

They got a direction. They just aren't saying anything publically. 

I agree that Landty needs to be QUIET- What's that saying...better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

12 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

The biggest thing Fields said was Trae needs more than himself to win in this league.

That should not be a big thing as that is stating the Obvious.  Every player needs 'help' even the biggest stars.