Lascar78 Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003 The Texans have passed on Bush and taken DE Mario Williams. Crazy. I look forward to watching the NFL draft tommorrow, the only draft worth watching (early on) other than the NBA draft. My big hope is that Lendale White falls to the steelers. I have a question, are the saints allowed to sign the #2 pick whenever they want? Or is the #1 team the only one who can sign prematurely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac13 Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 That is an absolute horrible move..Williams is the prototypical physical speciman that never even dominated in college..Bush may be the next Barry sanders..Just awful.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeye Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Wow, Saints will take him and they have Breese at QB. They will improve, too bad for Falcons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joannes3000 Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Wow, just wow. Quick, name the last defensive player taken first in the draft that wasn't a flop. I don't suggest holding your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted April 29, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 I heard the guys talking about it being a "football" move. However, You don't take Reggie Bush who will help protect the QB much better than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted April 29, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 I'm remembering the draft of Aundrey Bruce and Marcus Cotton... OH GOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBAreject Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Big Daddy Wilkinson....oh wait. Steve Emtman...oh wait. Andray Bruce....OH WAIT! You're probably too young to remember some of those. Russell Maryland was OK for the Cowboys. Actually, it was Bruce Smith. Peppers should've been a #1, and he is vg. Seriously, though...I think that if Williams went #2, it wouldn't improve his projection. I don't believe in putting undue importance on trends like these. Besides, you could say similar things about RB's going #1 (or even top 3). Ki-Jana Carter anyone? I think Williams will be a strong DE. He'll probably be a pro-bowler at some time. It's a safe pick in that regard. Reggie Bush would've been a riskier choice, but he has greater potential to be a franchise player. I think the best RB's are so often taken in the mid to low first round. Perhaps that's what the Texans are thinking. Who knows what they're thinking? Basically, with this pick you are asking Williams to transform your D. If he doesn't turn into a Julius Peppers, a Reggie White, a Bruce Smith, this will be a bad choice in hindsight. Very few defensive players have that Peppers-like or Raw Lewis-like effect on a D. Very few can make a mediocre D into a very good one. I guess the Texans think they got one of those players here. Picking #1 is TOUGH. You almost don't want the #1 pick. I would rather have like #6 and #20 than #1. I guess most teams would. You have to pay the #1 so much freaking dough that he hasn't earned, that the pressure is absurd! You don't want #1 unless there is a BONA FIDE FRANCHISE QB on the board. Maybe Young was that guy (he sure looks AWESOME), but I think people are scared of taking athletic black QB's so high because of the past flops. Besides, the Texans were commited to Carr. I'm not sure I would've had the cojones to take Williams with that #1 with Bush and Young on the board. Pure balls, TX. Pure balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBAreject Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 "Football move" is an absolutely meaningless statement. You say things like that when you have nothing else to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted April 29, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Quote: Reggie Bush would've been a riskier choice, but he has greater potential to be a franchise player. If there ever was a sure thing... Reggie Bush dominated the HS ranks and the college ranks. In the open field, he's liable to make the best defensive player look bad. Williams... Honestly seems to have come out of nowhere. I mean.. He played in 2003 and 2004.. .what did he do? I would dare to say that this was even a safe pick. I think this guy will be good but not stellar. I don't know if he will be in a pro bowl. I don't believe he will. When you pass up Reggie Bush, you better get a stellar player... Especially when your offense sucks as bad as their do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joannes3000 Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 The point I was getting toward is that historically, offensive players have turned out better than defensive players. Granted there isn't any real relevance when a player is drafted to how they will turn out. But still... You were able to rattle off 3 defensive guys (all of which I'm familiar with ) compared to one offensive guy. And I knew Ki-Jana was gonna be brought up, but here's one back for ya - Courtney Brown. History aside, there's just no way you allow yourself to pass on a Reggie Bush. I forget which sports guy I heard it from, but in 10 years there will be more Mario Williams clones. How many Reggie Bush clones will be there in the same time span? Contracts be damned, I would've found a way to make it happen unless it was just beyond reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Quote: Quote: Reggie Bush would've been a riskier choice, but he has greater potential to be a franchise player. If there ever was a sure thing... Reggie Bush dominated the HS ranks and the college ranks. In the open field, he's liable to make the best defensive player look bad. Williams... Honestly seems to have come out of nowhere. I mean.. He played in 2003 and 2004.. .what did he do? I would dare to say that this was even a safe pick. I think this guy will be good but not stellar. I don't know if he will be in a pro bowl. I don't believe he will. When you pass up Reggie Bush, you better get a stellar player... Especially when your offense sucks as bad as their do.. Yeah he dominated the mighty PAC 10 with his mighty 15 carries per game with his INFERIOR supporting cast. Please, Reggie Bush can't pass protect, stop the run, or stop the pass. Those areas are the biggest reason Houston only got 3 wins not their running game. Reggie Bush taking pressure off of David Carr is a joke. Was Reggie Bush going to block for Carr? With no respect for the Texans Oline people would load the box, how does that take pressure off of Carr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBAreject Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 bump </font><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> </font><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Reggie Bush would've been a riskier choice, but he has greater potential to be a franchise player. <hr /><font class="post"> If there ever was a sure thing... Reggie Bush dominated the HS ranks and the college ranks. In the open field, he's liable to make the best defensive player look bad. Williams... Honestly seems to have come out of nowhere. I mean.. He played in 2003 and 2004.. .what did he do? I would dare to say that this was even a safe pick. I think this guy will be good but not stellar. I don't know if he will be in a pro bowl. I don't believe he will. When you pass up Reggie Bush, you better get a stellar player... Especially when your offense sucks as bad as their do.. <hr /><font class="post"> Yeah he dominated the mighty PAC 10 with his mighty 15 carries per game with his INFERIOR supporting cast. Please, Reggie Bush can't pass protect, stop the run, or stop the pass. Those areas are the biggest reason Houston only got 3 wins not their running game. Reggie Bush taking pressure off of David Carr is a joke. Was Reggie Bush going to block for Carr? With no respect for the Texans Oline people would load the box, how does that take pressure off of Carr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBAreject Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Man you guys look so foolish now. It's funny that I was the only one who thought the Williams pick was safer. You clowns always go with the consensus and almost never give me credit for knowing anything about prospects. I routinely make good calls in both the NBA and NFL draft, and you guys still insist on going with hype. Going with hype takes lots of reasoning ability. Teach me! Teach me! </font><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Reggie Bush would've been a riskier choice, but he has greater potential to be a franchise player. <hr /><font class="post"> If there ever was a sure thing... Reggie Bush dominated the HS ranks and the college ranks. In the open field, he's liable to make the best defensive player look bad. Williams... Honestly seems to have come out of nowhere. I mean.. He played in 2003 and 2004.. .what did he do? I would dare to say that this was even a safe pick. I think this guy will be good but not stellar. I don't know if he will be in a pro bowl. I don't believe he will. When you pass up Reggie Bush, you better get a stellar player... Especially when your offense sucks as bad as their do.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrReality Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Clowns???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High5 Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 The only clown is the guy that bumps threads from over 2 years ago. Bush would have been a safer pick at a position of more impact. I'm still not sure Houston made the right decision. Houston's defense still sucks with Mario, Bush would fit in well with Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted September 9, 2008 Moderators Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 I don't think Bush will ever be a significant player because he is afraid of contact. I was more surprised they passed on Texas product Vince Young. Of the top few guys, they probably made the right call but Williams isn't a world beater or anything just yet. I am just underwhelmed with Bush and question whether Young will ever be accurate enough to have sustained success at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swish Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Vince Young flat out sucks right now. Reggie could be great except like AHF said afraid of contact. I'm still not sure about Mario. In true hindsight, Jay Cutler is the best player of that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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