DrReality Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Interesting commentary re Marcus W. as Hawks pick. Its generally favorable for the Hawks. Comments about BK reflect how he is perceived? If his plan comes to fruition, draft pick, Andersen and FA, we could be in tall cotton. Atlanta is in a great situation because of the amount of cap space they have. They will most likely go after a big man this off-season, either Nene or Chris Wilcox. They will bring over David Andersen, a center who plays for CSKA Moscow in Russia, to help fill the void in the frontcourt. So with all of this in mind, the Atlanta Hawks pass up two legit swingmen. Knight finally decides to draft a position screaming in need of attention like a four year old with a lisp and $3 haircut who doesn’t get his Fruit Loops in the local grocery store. They draft: Marcus Williams, PG, UCONN, Jr Why?: If they pass on Williams, then the most likely point guards still by the time they pick again will be Kyle Lowry, Darius Washington and Dee Brown. No disrespect to those three, but they cannot come in, play and succeed with a group that the Hawks have on the court. Williams would have the personnel like he had at UCONN, only a better SG and more room to create. He knows what to do in any offense and has the ability to lead the Hawks back into the playoffs for the first time in a long time. Why not Rondo? I really like Rondo and he has the potential to become a great all-around point guard, but his jump shot scares teams. He wouldn't have to shoot as much with the jump shooting Hawks, but even without a jumper, he's still a couple of years away from being a complete point on both ends of the floor. Right now, he would have the same value that Royal Ivey has for the Hawks and he can be better than that. But it's going to take time and the Hawks are running out of time. They need a winner and Williams makes the most amount of sense. If the Hawks trade down, then Rondo may be an option, but all signs point to Williams for Zaza Pachulia (he’s gotta get some love at some point in time) and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeye Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 If Aldridge or Bargnani are not there where the Hawks pick than i would take Williams. It really depends on lottery and where we end up picking. If we stay at 4 or move down than we should take Williams. If we get 1st or 2nd pick than we draft the best big man like Aldridge and Bargnani. simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted May 20, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 BK has never spent a 1st round pick on a non-frontcourt player with "versatility"... I think BK has been steadily trying to get you guys braced for what's about to happen. We still have a few more days until the draft lottery but if we get 5th or Lower, expect a swingman. If it happens that way, watch him draft Morrison and call him a SG. And I don't blame him one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted May 20, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Don't hold your breath on Andersen. Would you leave 3.0 million dollars and a championship team to take 0.28 million dollars and the Hawks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrReality Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Is that the most the Hawks can offer him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusBoyIsBack Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Didn't somebody post an Insider article that said Marcus Williams wasn't looked at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted May 21, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 We hold his rights as a second round pick. I think we gave Salim the most a second rounder could make and that's .675 Million. so in essence, Andersen would leave 3 million for less than 1 million to come here. Yall can talk about proving himelf in the NBA, however, as long as the NBA keep losing in international bsaketball, I don't see the NBA as being the proving ground it once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascar78 Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Salim's salary has no bearing on Anderson's. Anderson is a somewhat proven 7 footer, and if he comes over I would expect his salary to be somehere in the 2 to 4 million range. We gave a less proven Zaza 4 mil per year, that's a much better reference than Salim. I don't think there is a strict max on salaries in the second round players like there is for 1st rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 21, 2006 Moderators Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 It appears Anderson could be signed for up to $9M/year. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#11 See #41 for how first round picks are treated differently than other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrReality Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Thanks. Then we could negotiate a contract to compete with his current one? Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 21, 2006 Moderators Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Quote: Thanks. Then we could negotiate a contract to compete with his current one? Cool. For clarification, there is not a section of the FAQ squarely addressing 2nd rounders. The FAQ has a section on how first rounders are treated differently than everyone else and lists $9M as the cap salary for someone with 0 years XP in the NBA. I am inferring that this $9M cap for players without any NBA experience would apply to second rounders and FAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted May 21, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Rule #89 states... Quote: A second round draft pick can accept a required tender, which is a one-year contract offer teams must submit to retain their rights to the player. Rule 97 gives certain dates, of which is this: Quote: September 6 Second round draft picks become free agents if not given a required tender My question is did we ever sign Andersen to a required tender? And was it by Sept 6 of his draft year? If not, then he's a free agent according to the rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrReality Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 I don't think we signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascar78 Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 we still have his rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted May 21, 2006 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 I don't remember Andersen ever recieving any kind of contract from us. Didn't the Knicks lose Fredrick Weiss the same way? I think Andersen is a pipe dream we like to believe but by the rules is he ours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 21, 2006 Moderators Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Quote: Rule #89 states... Quote: A second round draft pick can accept a required tender, which is a one-year contract offer teams must submit to retain their rights to the player. Rule 97 gives certain dates, of which is this: Quote: September 6 Second round draft picks become free agents if not given a required tender My question is did we ever sign Andersen to a required tender? And was it by Sept 6 of his draft year? If not, then he's a free agent according to the rules... We still own the rights to Anderson and will as long as he keeps playing outside of the NBA. See note 42: Quote: If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in the team's team salary while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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