Darko???

[mrhonline]

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we could also sign him for the MLE, which is like 6mil these days; we don't wanna pay more than that for him anyway

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Why would he sign for the MLE with the Hawks over a playoff team?

He's going to get $8M/year from someone, or accept the MLE to play for a good team. The Hawks never had a shot at Darko except to overpay.

I'll take Horford over Darko anyway.

[exodus]

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Why would he sign for the MLE with the Hawks over a playoff team?

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Does the word Detroit ring a bell?

Frankly i am not sure i would want him even for the MLE.

[mrhonline]

Okay, I'll be more specific. Why would he sign with Atlanta over a playoff team who would play him?

[Nicholasp27]

if he wouldn't, then we move on

we can't be giving guys like darko >mle money AND at the same time losing our own young talent...that is just not wise

so we offer him 5...he likely takes his services elsewhere, but if he signs with us, then we are happy...

[exodus]

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Why would he sign with Atlanta over a playoff team who would play him?

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There is just something about Darko that bothers me and i can't quite put my finger on it. I am sure Woody knows him well and since he passed last time he probably will again.

[AHF]

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we could also sign him for the MLE

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The other problem with this is that the MLE is only available once you have spent up to the cap. If you are under the cap it is not available to you. Once the Hawks have spent over the cap, they are required to get Belkin to sign onto any additional salary. Anyone think that the ASG wants to go begging to Belkin in order to offer Darko the MLE? They would have to believers to open that line of communication given the fact that Belkin would inevitably tell them to stuff that deal where the sun don't shine.

[AHF]

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we could also sign him for the MLE

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The other problem with this is that the MLE is only available once you have spent up to the cap. If you are under the cap it is not available to you. Once the Hawks have spent over the cap, they are required to get Belkin to sign onto any additional salary. Anyone think that the ASG wants to go begging to Belkin in order to offer Darko the MLE? They would have to believers to open that line of communication given the fact that Belkin would inevitably tell them to stuff that deal where the sun don't shine.

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Nice point about Belkin and being over the cap. However, the MLE is available to every team at the beginning of the year (I guess offseason). So every team had the option of keeping the MLE, but teams under the cap would be wise to renounce their rights to the MLE because all it does is eat away cap space if you have it. If you are over the cap, it eats away cap space but it doesn't bother you since you are already over the cap.

In short, you don't get the MLE once you go over the cap.

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We are both wrong on the MLE.

According to Larry Coon's salary cap FAQ, the MLE is only usable by teams when they are over the cap or in order to allow that team to exceed the cap but the MLE counts against a team's salary cap when they are under the cap to avoid abuse. Remember that the Knicks used the MLE to sign Jeffries last offseason even though their player salaries were more than double the salary cap.

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Are there exceptions to the salary cap?

Yes. Teams are not allowed to be over the salary cap, unless they are using one of these exceptions:

MID-LEVEL SALARY EXCEPTION -- This exception allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract equal to the average salary, even if they are over the cap.

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20. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?

If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question numbers 29, 30, 31, 32). A team can't act like they're under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

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Teams have the option of renouncing their exceptions in order to claim the cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their Traded Player and Mid-Level exceptions, then the $10.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $43 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which can then be used to sign free agent(s).

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The Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions may be lost entirely, or the team may never receive them to begin with. This happens when their team salary is so low that when the exceptions are added to the team salary, the sum is still below the salary cap. If the team salary is below this level when the exception arises, then the team doesn't get the exception. If the team salary ever drops below this level during the year, then any exceptions they had are lost.

For example, with a $49.5 million salary cap, assume it's the offseason, and a team has $41 million committed to salaries, along with a Mid-Level exception for $5 million, a Traded Player exception for $2.5 million, and an unrenounced free agent whose free agent amount is $2 million. Their salaries and exceptions total $50.5 million, or $1 million over the cap. What if their free agent signs with another team? The $2 million free agent amount comes off their cap, so their team salary drops to $48.5 million. This total is below the cap so the team loses its Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions.

There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. If a team isn't over the cap, then the concept of an exception is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away. The effect is that a team may have either exceptions or cap room, but they can't have both.

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http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

[exodus]

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In this case, Darko loses out on a ton of money because Bird Rights allow you to go over the cap to sign the player.

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So in other words if Orlando is $7 million under the cap them they can SNT him with a deal starting at $7 million?

[AHF]

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In this case, Darko loses out on a ton of money because Bird Rights allow you to go over the cap to sign the player.

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So in other words if Orlando is $7 million under the cap them they can SNT him with a deal starting at $7 million?

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Only if they trade him to a team that has $7M in cap space because they need to clear that room to make an offer to Lewis. Golden State becomes an ideal S&T partner if GS wants to use their $10M trade exception on Darko.

[AHF]

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According to Larry Coon's salary cap FAQ, the MLE is only usable by teams when they are over the cap or in order to allow that team to exceed the cap but the MLE counts against a team's salary cap when they are under the cap to avoid abuse. Remember that the Knicks used the MLE to sign Jeffries last offseason even though their player salaries were more than double the salary cap.

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No, the MLE is available to everyone regardless of whether or not they are under/over the cap. It doesn't appear whenever you go over the cap, it appears at the start of the 0X-0Y season (actually offseason). From Coon you can tell it is available to everyone because Coon talks about renouncing the MLE so you can have cap space to sign free agents.

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It is only available to teams over the cap or who would go over the cap through use of the MLE. A team like the Bobcats from last season don't get the MLE. See the Coon I quoted above:

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The Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions may be lost entirely, or the team may never receive them to begin with. This happens when their team salary is so low that when the exceptions are added to the team salary, the sum is still below the salary cap. If the team salary is below this level when the exception arises, then the team doesn't get the exception. If the team salary ever drops below this level during the year, then any exceptions they had are lost.

For example, with a $49.5 million salary cap, assume it's the offseason, and a team has $41 million committed to salaries, along with a Mid-Level exception for $5 million, a Traded Player exception for $2.5 million, and an unrenounced free agent whose free agent amount is $2 million. Their salaries and exceptions total $50.5 million, or $1 million over the cap. What if their free agent signs with another team? The $2 million free agent amount comes off their cap, so their team salary drops to $48.5 million. This total is below the cap so the team loses its Mid-Level and Traded Player exceptions.

There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap.

If a team isn't over the cap, then the concept of an exception is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away. The effect is that a team may have either exceptions or cap room, but they can't have both.

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[jezmund]

We can not afford to sign him unless Orlando was interested in taking some of our guys in return. I imagine anything over $6M would get him.

Lue/AJ/LO is our ticket to resigning Josh Smith so we have to be careful here. If we trade them it needs to be for future considerations or expiring contracts at other positions.

[AHF]

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It is only available to teams over the cap or who would go over the cap through use of the MLE. A team like the Bobcats from last season don't get the MLE. See the Coon I quoted above:

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No no no. They still receive the exception because it is given to everyone. But it just doesn't make sense for them to keep it. So in your quote of Coon, he is just saying that it is a moot point for a team to have the exception because it doesn't matter to them. Teams just renounce the MLE when they are more than $(value of MLE) under the cap. Every team gets the MLE and it is available to them, they just don't use it because it doesn't make sense. But I will reitterate, every team receives the exception and can use it but it doesn't make sense for a team far under the cap.

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Fair enough. Coon definitely talks about losing it but maybe that is a poor word choice on his part and simply refers to the lack of usefulness of the exception for teams that are that far under the cap.

You agree at this point as well that teams over the cap can use the MLE, right?

[AHF]

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Fair enough. Coon definitely talks about losing it but maybe that is a poor word choice on his part and simply refers to the lack of usefulness of the exception for teams that are that far under the cap.

You agree at this point as well that teams over the cap can use the MLE, right?

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Hahaha, of course. It is just you have to be precise with your words when talking about the CBA. Subtle changes in words can make a big difference. The main issue with the MLE is just that one has to be careful not to use words that lead others to believe that once you exceed the cap you receive the MLE since that isn't the case.

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We are on the same page here.

[Guest]

Chances are that Seattle will want to get something for Lewis, so they will agree to a SNT with Orlando (allowing Lewis to get an extra year on his contract).

Seattle will get a player or two and maybe a draft pick or two. They will also probably take back less in salary from Orlando than they have been paying Lewis, so they'll free up some capspace too.

Orlando will clear some capspace with the SNT that they can use to sign Darko.

Darko won't leave Orlando due to money constraints. He may leave if he doesn't feel he is going to get the minutes he wants.

[saloonyk8]

1.) Childress, Speedy, Lo or AJ

This would let just sign Darko for like 8M or so per year, which will be close to his going rate. Gives Orlando a nice young player in Childress +1 expiring contract. They also get another point to run with Speedy...they'd have to swallow this part of the deal.

2.) Shelden, Speedy, Lo or AJ

Same deal as above but Shelden may appeal to them more.

Either way we get our C and they get a young player and a small expiring. Sounds better than letting him walk to Charlotte or someone else for MLE...to me anyways...

[gsuteke]

real gm link

[BusBoyIsBack]

Hell no to paying him that much money.

Im intrigued by his size but he's not worth that.

He isn't even that much better than Zaza to justify that.

And in a couple of years, Horford should be big enough to play full time Center

[drzachary]

MW for Darko.. straight up. If we could get a pick from them, even better.

I'd do it because they are both unrealized-potential picks, but Darko better fits our needs?

[drzachary]

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MW for Darko.. straight up. If we could get a pick from them, even better.

I'd do it because they are both unrealized-potential picks, but Darko better fits our needs?

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I should probably read the original post.. seeing as he's a free agent and all

[mudderfudder77]

Atlanta can't have him. He's ours.