Marvin is a complete bust

[joshuaneder]

Watching the game yesterday you can come to know other conclusion. A 2nd pick who is nothing but a mid-range jump shooter who can't create his own shot. And of course, Chris Paul winning the league MVP is like salt in the wound.

[jhay610]

[Deeman]

Im not a big marvin fan but he is not a bust he has improved over the years and he is what he is and that is an average I dont know why we drafted him he didn't do sh@t in college

[AnakinJoe]

He's a helluva lot better than Stromile Swift.

[Hawk88]

Yep a complete bust.

The question now is can he even be an average player? What a clod. He is a bad stock going down in value every time he hits the court. We might could have gotten something decent for him at the begining of the year. Now? Joel Prizbilla, good grief.

I don't see how BK doesn't off himself. Do they actually pay him?

Hawk88

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Marvin is the first player in NBA history to average 15 ppg in his 3rd season and be a bust. Congrats Marvin!

Certainly he was a horrible pick and his progress has been slower than i would like but calling him a bust is a bit extreme.

[joshuaneder]

to play like that as a second pick overall in the biggest games of your life makes him a bust. now if he was a late first rounder fine. but as a number two pick to have zero impact in two playoff games is a rediculous. especially considering the folks picked after him. not his fault but still the truth

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to play like that as a second pick overall in the biggest games of your life makes him a bust.

now if he was a late first rounder fine. but as a number two pick to have zero impact in two playoff games is a rediculous. especially considering the folks picked after him. not his fault but still the truth

So two games determines whether or not a player is a bust. OK.

[Lascar78]

There are 2 separate issues: whether BK's pick was a bust, and whether Marvin as a player is a bust. We know the pick was a bust and we should have gotten Paul/Deron. If you're evaluating what the player is and what he can be, his draft position is irrelevant.

Averaging 4 points in your second season is a bust (shelden). Averaging 15/6 in year 3, at age 22, is not even close to a bust. 11/3.5 in the playoffs is not great, but it's not disastrous either.

QUIT FOCUSING ON WHERE THE GUY WAS DRAFTED.

He is a decent young player who is still trying to put it all together.

[Diesel]

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There are 2 separate issues: whether BK's pick was a bust, and whether Marvin as a player is a bust. We know the pick was a bust and we should have gotten Paul/Deron. If you're evaluating what the player is and what he can be, his draft position is irrelevant.

Averaging 4 points in your second season is a bust (shelden). Averaging 15/6 in year 3, at age 22, is not even close to a bust. 11/3.5 in the playoffs is not great, but it's not disastrous either.

QUIT FOCUSING ON WHERE THE GUY WAS DRAFTED.

He is a decent young player who is still trying to put it all together.

Why not we try this.

Quit focusing on useless numbers (unless you want to address 31% shooting in the playoffs).

And focus on what he brings us.

What exactly has Marvin brought us??? EVER..

Does he in any way effect this team in a positive way?

Can you think of a time when you honestly said... you know if we didn't have Marvin we would have lost that game!

The truth is Marvin does nothing.

In fact, insert any 6'9 guy in his place and he'd get those stats.

I'm tired of hearing about pretty shots.

I want to see meaningful shots.

When the game is on the line... Where's Marvin??

When the other team is making a run... Where's Marvin??

When our offense is stalling... Where's Marvin??

When we need some momentum... Where's Marvin??

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Does he in any way effect this team in a positive way?

Can you think of a time when you honestly said... you know if we didn't have Marvin we would have lost that game!

IN the two games against Philly this month, which were crucial to the Hawks playoff chances, Marvin had 37 pts shooting 63% and was 13/14 from the line.

[TruJerz]

Marvin will be better with a better coach than Woody..Woody plays him but I think Woody just isnt good at developing players like other coahces are-Marvin was a bad pick considering who he got chosen over but he isnt a bust..his numbers prove it. He is getting better and will continue to improve for yrs to come. I always thought he should of stayed in school for another yr but oh well, im over that

[joshuaneder]

Diesel is absolutely correct. He does not nothing to effect our team in a positive way. A number 2 pick who does nothing positive to effect us is a bust-however you define it. He is an ok player who may have a future but right now he is a bust. It's time for Hawks fan to stop looking at "potential" at look at reality. if you don't see this you are under a delusion-you see what he "could be" not what he is.

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Diesel is absolutely correct. He does not nothing to effect our team in a positive way. A number 2 pick who does nothing positive to effect us is a bust-however you define it. He is an ok player who may have a future but right now he is a bust. It's time for Hawks fan to stop looking at "potential" at look at reality. if you don't see this you are under a delusion-you see what he "could be"

not what he is

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He is a 15/6 player in his 3rd season that shoots 46% from the field and 82% from the line. Guys like that might be disappointments but they aren't busts regardless of where they are picked.

[AHF]

The #2 pick in the 2004 draft was blown. No question about it.

But Marvin is not a "complete bust." That is saved for guys like lottery pick Shawn Respert who can't play in the league.

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It's time for Hawks fan to stop looking at "potential" and to start looking at reality. if you

think he is a bust

you are under a delusion-you see what he "could

have been

" not what he is.

Today, Marvin is a mediocre player who is a borderline starter in the league. With his defense, he is a small step up from Tim Thomas. That is the reality and no matter how much better things would have been with Paul or Deron, it doesn't change the fact that Marvin is a very legit NBA player who is not a "complete bust."

[jhay610]

you must have a jumpdrive full of your anti-Marvin auto-text. I sure hope you dont waste that much of your life retyping your same old song about Marvin.

I agree with the very small minority of rational people who can view the situation objectively and put aside for a moment the fact that Marvin is a #2 pick.

Obviously, no one can or is arguing that he was the correct pick at 2. In retrospect, neither was Bogut at 1. The pick was a bust, and Knight should be held accountable.

Marvin however, is an NBA player and will have a solid career. Nothing spectacular, but he will be a solid pro for a long time. Just because he isn't playing like we think a #2 should doesn't mean we should trade him for an aging backup center or a late 2nd round pick or some other dime-a-dozen player.

[Diesel]

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He is a 15/6 player in his 3rd season that shoots 46% from the field and 82% from the line. Guys like that might be disappointments but they aren't busts regardless of where they are picked.

He is a 15/6 player on a losing team... he has no aggressiveness to him and on any other team in the league, he'd be bench fodder. He has been given opportunity after opportunity to prove himself, but he's just a guy who is not going to step up. Just like in college, he prefers the view from behind. He has little work ethic and he still makes the same mistakes he made 2 years ago. He has a bandwagon of fans who hope against hope that this year he will step it up and yet and still he doesn't. He has only taken over one game in his career and that was against the Weak Sonics team in front of his family and friends in his hometowns. Unfortunately, you can cross that Seattle trip off the schedule..

So what do we have? We have a guy taking up a starting spot... causing a log jam.. and really not producing what we need.

You can quote stats all day Senor stat. However, if the stats he's bringing in makes no impact on weather or not we win... then those stats are what I call Meaningless.

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He is a 15/6 player on a losing team

Childress is a 12/5 player on a losing team so i guess he is a bust too.

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He has only taken over one game in his career and that was against the Weak Sonics team in front of his family and friends in his hometowns. Unfortunately, you can cross that Seattle trip off the schedule..

In two games against NY in march Marvin scored 52 pts shooting 66%. I guess those games don't count.

In december he averaged 18 ppg shooting 51%. He had 4 20 pt games which we won by 5 points or less that month.

When we beat Philly this month he scored 18 on only 9 shot attempts while your boy Childress had 2 pts and 1 rebound.

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he has no aggressiveness to him

He gets to the line pretty well for someone who isn't aggressive. He averages just as many free throws made per game as Chris Paul and slightly more than Deron Williams, Josh Howard, Turgolu, Monta, Roy, JJ, Garnett, McGrady, Artest, Tony Parker, Boozer... you get the idea.

[Joker]

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He is a 15/6 player in his 3rd season that shoots 46% from the field and 82% from the line. Guys like that might be disappointments but they aren't busts regardless of where they are picked.

He is a 15/6 player on a losing team... he has no aggressiveness to him and on any other team in the league, he'd be bench fodder. He has been given opportunity after opportunity to prove himself, but he's just a guy who is not going to step up. Just like in college, he prefers the view from behind. He has little work ethic and he still makes the same mistakes he made 2 years ago. He has a bandwagon of fans who hope against hope that this year he will step it up and yet and still he doesn't. He has only taken over one game in his career and that was against the Weak Sonics team in front of his family and friends in his hometowns. Unfortunately, you can cross that Seattle trip off the schedule..

So what do we have? We have a guy taking up a starting spot... causing a log jam.. and really not producing what we need.

You can quote stats all day Senor stat. However, if the stats he's bringing in makes no impact on weather or not we win... then those stats are what I call Meaningless.

So what does that make Josh Smith, who is the number 2 option and in his 4 year?

[Duff_Man]

A complete bust? My god, get a grip. Matter of fact:

Chris Washburn

Pervis Ellison

Olowokandi

Dennis Hopson

Kwame Brown

Jon Koncak

Shawn Bradley

Bo Kimble

Marc Macon

Ed O'Bannon

Marcus Fizer

Nikoloz Tskitishvili

Darko

Bryant Reeves

Danny Ferry

These players were all true busts. Marvin is far above these guys.