Bonds Urine Tests

[macdaddy]

Diesel you've fallen off the wagon on this one. If you don't care whether he did steroids or not that's fine. But ignoring all these tests that you say are planted setups, how do you plant a taped conversation of your personal trainer and personal assistant discussing injecting you with steroids?

If he took any kind of banned substance then it is irrefutable that he lied to a grand jury when he said he didn't. He's one of the greatest players of all time, and he's a lying a**hole who cheated to get an edge, and he perjured himself. I don't see how anyone can deny that. Whether you care or not is a different story.

[Diesel]

But ignoring all these tests that you say are planted setups, how do you plant a taped conversation of your personal trainer and personal assistant discussing injecting you with steroids?

First off, I used the word set up and will continue to use it. Howevevr, let's ask the more important question...

How many baseball trainers have ever been wiretapped?

The fact that they wire tapped Anderson suggests that this has been a conspiracy all along. But even with that... do you actually know what Anderson said?

Let me help you with that...

This is from 2006... Very damning evidence huh?

:no-no:

A partial transcript of the 'illegally obtained' wiretap of Barry Bonds' trainer, Greg Anderson, describing his steroid experience and peticularly Bonds' steroid use. This transcript contains all the published parts of Anderson's voice from a recording made by an acquaintance in the spring of 2003. The excerpts are in approximate chronological order.

On how athletes sometimes injure themselves injecting steroids.

"What happens is they put too much in one area and, what it does, it will actually ball up and puddle and what happens is it actually will eat away and make an indentation and it's a cyst. It makes a big f---ing cyst and you have to drain it. Oh no, it's gnarly."

"No, Dude, you'd be amazed at how many body builders-'cause bodybuilders do like 20 cc's of s*** and it's just ugly. It gets infected, I mean they got to drain--I've had a guy had two gallons of s*** drained out of his *ss. It was so gross, you can't believe it."

"People don't know what the f--- they're doing, That's the problem. No, I've seen all kinds of ugly s--- . It's just unbelievable."

"I move it all over the place. I learned that when I first started doing that s--- 16 years ago 'cause guys were getting some gnarly infections. And it was gross, I mean to the point where you have to have surgery just to get that f---ing thing taken out, or it'd be a knot and you can't do anything."

"That's why you never do your quad. Dude, I never, never. I tell you, I knew a guy that went in their quad and they went too deep and they couldn't walk for a week, could not even bend their leg. It was some ugly s***."

MLB had tested "25 players random, supposedly in spring training."

"So those guys have already been tested twice. They got tested, and then a week later got tested again. So ... those guys are pretty much done for the year. They never have to get tested again."

On Anderson's knowledge of another phase of "150 guys tested at random."

"It's going to be in either the end of May or beginning of June, right before the All-Star break, definitely. So after the All-Star break, f--- , we're like f--- ing clear."

"The whole thing is, everything that I've been doing at this point, it's all undetectable. See the stuff I have, we created it, and you can't buy it anywhere else, can't get it anywhere else, but you can take it the day of (the test), pee, and it comes up perfect."

"See like Marion Jones and them; it's the same stuff that they went to the Olympics with, and they test them every f---ing week at the Olympics, so that's why I know it works, so that's why I'm not even tripping. So, it's cool."

On the terms of the 'survey testing' Anderson knows that "up to 240 players, selected at random, may be tested."

"Do we know when they're gonna do it? Oh, I have an idea. See, the lab that does this stuff is the lab that does --"

The rest of the previous remark is not entirely audible, but the following comment seems to sum it up.

"I'll know like probably a week in advance or two weeks in advance before they're going to do it."

On Bonds' slow start in the 2003 season.

"What his problem is, he thinks the magic's gone and he doesn't have it anymore."

"(He's) been way too nice. Be an ---hole again. Every time he's an ---hole, it f---ing works. He f---ing plays good because he's just being himself."

"Other than last year and him hitting .370 ... he always starts slow. Even the 73 home run year, look at how long it took him to get to 500."

[macdaddy]

Not trying to get in a knee jerk argument but in this sentence you insinuated the planting of evidence.

They have some evidence, but there's always some stupid guy who wants an over the top win so he feels the need to plant evidence.

That conversation is VERY damning evidence. You don't think that Bond's trainer describing in great detail what an expert he is on administering steroids to his clients is damning? And then going on to say that he's going full bore with everything after the testing is finished for the year? I guess he was referring to one of his other clients?

[Admin]

Diesel I think the problem you're having here is making the distinction between a "set up" and an "agenda".

Unless they falsified these tests and/or other evidence against Bonds then it's clearly not a set up. This would be unjust and I hope the truth would come out if this were the case, which I do not believe to be the case but apparently you do.

On the other hand if they specifically went after Bonds through his trainer by illegally taping him then they clearly have an agenda with Bonds of trying to prove he perjured himself. This would be completely justified considering he not only committed perjury but that he'd allow his trainer to spend multiple terms locked up and basically have his life ruined just because he wouldn't rat Bonds out and yet Bonds does nothing but sit there and get the HR record and collect a huge payday while he enjoys his freedom.

Look man if I can admit that I was wrong about Clemens you should be able to admit that you were wrong about Bonds.

[AHF]

Bonds is the homerun king. I really dont believe that they are still talking about his. He still hit the homeruns. I can take all the roids i want and i still couldnt hit he ball..lol.

I don't understand this argument at all. It is like people believe Bret Boone really was a legit 25-30 HR guy if he boosted his power on steroids because it is still hard to hit a ball? What?

It is hard to hit a ball regardless - no question. But it is a hell of a lot easier to hit a HR while on steroids. The numbers are undeniable.

So Bonds is the kind of HRs for players on steroids. Since many of his peers were on steroids this is still an accomplishment. Don't try to pretend it is the same as being the king of HRs for players who were clean, though. Nobody celebrates Ben Johnson as being one of the great all-time sprinters for a reason. Look at what he did when he was clean. Look at what Bonds did when he was clean - HOF career but not a legendary HR hitter.

[Diesel]

Diesel I think the problem you're having here is making the distinction between a "set up" and an "agenda".

Unless they falsified these tests and/or other evidence against Bonds then it's clearly not a set up. This would be unjust and I hope the truth would come out if this were the case, which I do not believe to be the case but apparently you do.

On the other hand if they specifically went after Bonds through his trainer by illegally taping him then they clearly have an agenda with Bonds of trying to prove he perjured himself. This would be completely justified considering he not only committed perjury but that he'd allow his trainer to spend multiple terms locked up and basically have his life ruined just because he wouldn't rat Bonds out and yet Bonds does nothing but sit there and get the HR record and collect a huge payday while he enjoys his freedom.

Look man if I can admit that I was wrong about Clemens you should be able to admit that you were wrong about Bonds.

Here's the deal.

I don't believe that they would have allowed Bonds to break the HR Record if they had real evidence of blood doping or failed Steroid test prior to 2006. Somebody said that the conversation was "damning". However, the excerpts that I have read on the conversations that were wiretapped (illegally) didn't have much to do about BONDS USING. It had something to do with Anderson's knowledge of steroids but when Bonds was specifically mentioned, his trainer said that he's mythed about his slow start.

Hell, I'm sure if you ask Joe Johnson, he's mythed about how he started 2009.. that doesn't mean that he's using steroids.

The point is innocent until proven guilty is just not true for Bonds. For me, it's not really about Bonds, it's about the power of the press to force it's will on the minds of people.

When you consider Michael Phelphs, it's the same thing.

He got caught using an illegal substance.

What has been said?

"Oh, he's just ....."

If it had been Bonds... it would have been far worse.

Moreover, I don't believe the allegations of those 2000, 2001 steroids test.

Here's the deal. You mean to tell me that Bonds is dumb enough to use a steroid that MLB has been testing for since 1998... But is smart enough to use THG which took 6 years to figure out how to catch him?

Let's understand this... I'm not suggesting that Bonds made THG or anything like that, I'm saying that THG was being tested for in 2003 by Catlin. IN 2003, 5-7% of the MLB players who were using THG was caught by Catlin's lab. However, at that point, when Bond's urine was tested, it was found to be negative.. but then when tested again Positive?

That's the agenda.

At this point, we don't even know if the urine from 2000-2001 belongs to Bonds. That could be big mac's urine. That can be the urine of a Raider. I don't think a guy who is smart enough to start using a designer steroid is dumb enough to use one of the main steroids that they test for in MLB.

[Diesel]

I don't understand this argument at all. It is like people believe Bret Boone really was a legit 25-30 HR guy if he boosted his power on steroids because it is still hard to hit a ball? What?

It is hard to hit a ball regardless - no question. But it is a hell of a lot easier to hit a HR while on steroids. The numbers are undeniable.

So Bonds is the kind of HRs for players on steroids. Since many of his peers were on steroids this is still an accomplishment. Don't try to pretend it is the same as being the king of HRs for players who were clean, though. Nobody celebrates Ben Johnson as being one of the great all-time sprinters for a reason. Look at what he did when he was clean. Look at what Bonds did when he was clean - HOF career but not a legendary HR hitter.

Ahm...

In the 14 years before 2000...

Bonds had 1- 16 hr (rookie), 1- 19 HR, 1-24 HR, and 1-25 HR season and the rest of his seasons were over 33 HRs.

His HR numbers compare equally to Hank Aaron's.

[macdaddy]

It sounds to me like you admit that Bonds used some kind of banned performance enhancing drug when you mention that he was 'smart enough' to use one that was not detectable. If you believe this then you would have to admit that Bonds perjured himself when he denied using to the grand jury. This is a crime. And its a big crime.

[AHF]

Ahm...

In the 14 years before 2000...

Bonds had 1- 16 hr (rookie), 1- 19 HR, 1-24 HR, and 1-25 HR season and the rest of his seasons were over 33 HRs.

His HR numbers compare equally to Hank Aaron's.

Let's see if that is true for the pre-2000 seasons:

Hank 1 - 13 -- Bonds 1 - 16 = +3

Hank 2 - 27 -- Bonds 2 - 25 = +1

Hank 3 - 26 -- Bonds 3 - 24 = -1

Hank 4 - 44 -- Bonds 4 - 19 = -26

Hank 5 - 30 -- Bonds 5 - 33 = -23

Hank 6 - 39 -- Bonds 6 - 25 = -37

Hank 7 - 40 -- Bonds 7 - 34 = -43

Hank 8 - 35 -- Bonds 8 - 46 = -32

Hank 9 - 45 -- Bonds 9 - 37 = -40

Hank 10 - 44 -- Bonds 10 - 33 = -51

Hank 11 - 24 -- Bonds 11 - 42 = -33

Hank 12 - 32 -- Bonds 12 - 40 = -25

Hank 13 - 44 -- Bonds 13 - 37 = -32

Hank 14 - 39 -- Bonds 14 - 34 = -37

Bonds is a full season, 37 home runs, of his best production behind Aaron to this point.

Now let's be incredibly generous to Bonds and assume Bonds keeps up his average from age 30-34 for the remaining years his late 30's

2000 - 2004 assumed 37.2 HR/YR

Bonds Career Total = 690

Aaron Career Total = 755

Shock of all shocks, assuming consistent production from Bonds puts him 60 HRs behind Aaron for career totals and leaves him no where close the 73 that broke Maris' record.

So without the drugs, Bonds is a surefire HOF who has outstanding totals that never come close to challenging Hank. And that is assuming that the second half of his 30s are equally as good as his first half, as assumption in Bonds' favor that there is little empirical evidence to support.

[Diesel]

It sounds to me like you admit that Bonds used some kind of banned performance enhancing drug when you mention that he was 'smart enough' to use one that was not detectable. If you believe this then you would have to admit that Bonds perjured himself when he denied using to the grand jury. This is a crime. And its a big crime.

I think it's very possible that he used the cream and the clear... but legally, there's no evidence that can prove that except this retested (same method as 2003) test.

This is what I say..

Will the judge ask for the chain of custody or will this be a full railroad.

This is so freakin laughable.

The government wants to use evidence supposedly determined by the same company that sold Barry the THG?

Think about it.

BALCO was responsible for testing MLB players prior to 2002.

BALCO was the company selling THG to athletes and Barry 1998-2003.

The government is saying that they want to use unlabeled Urine collected by BALCO in 2000, 2001 that was a positive hit on Barry Bonds? If there is a chain of custody, do you really believe the integrity of the process? These are the same guys making the THG and selling it to Barry.

2ndly...

Don Catlin started testing Athletes for THG in 2002.. Perfected the process of finding THG in urine in 2002. The method has been used from 2002 til now. Barry Bonds originally tested negative for THG in 2003. Later they retested the same sample with the same method and he's now positive. Again, I have to ask about chain of Custody. That's like you giving your doctor a blood sample... he testing it and saying, your blood shows no signs of prostate cancer. Then in 2 years, him calling and saying, you know that sample we checked in 2007, well, we checked it again and it does show signs of prostate cancer. The first question you should ask: Did you get better technology to help you find this? And your doctor says.. NO, we just used the same method and a different technician. Either way... something is not right.

[AHF]

Will the judge ask for the chain of custody or will this be a full railroad.

Don Catlin started testing Athletes for THG in 2002.. Perfected the process of finding THG in urine in 2002. The method has been used from 2002 til now. Barry Bonds originally tested negative for THG in 2003. Later they retested the same sample with the same method and he's now positive. Again, I have to ask about chain of Custody. That's like you giving your doctor a blood sample... he testing it and saying, your blood shows no signs of prostate cancer. Then in 2 years, him calling and saying, you know that sample we checked in 2007, well, we checked it again and it does show signs of prostate cancer. The first question you should ask: Did you get better technology to help you find this? And your doctor says.. NO, we just used the same method and a different technician. Either way... something is not right.

Bonds' attorneys will definitely go after chain of custody and plenty of other things in challenging the results (assuming they don't think they can win without going there). The 2003 results may not ever be admitted into evidence in this case. They will be heavily scrutinized.

In fact, the 2003 results have already been the subject of serious litigation. The issue of whether the federal government could use them was decided in California by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that held that the federal government could seize the samples and records in their investigation. The issue there was more about whether they could get all the results when only 11 MLB players were under investigation by the government but it gives you an idea of how heavily these evidentiary issue can be litigated.

[Diesel]

Let's see if that is true for the pre-2000 seasons:

Hank 1 - 13 -- Bonds 1 - 16 = +3

Hank 2 - 27 -- Bonds 2 - 25 = +1

Hank 3 - 26 -- Bonds 3 - 24 = -1

Hank 4 - 44 -- Bonds 4 - 19 = -26

Hank 5 - 30 -- Bonds 5 - 33 = -23

Hank 6 - 39 -- Bonds 6 - 25 = -37

Hank 7 - 40 -- Bonds 7 - 34 = -43

Hank 8 - 35 -- Bonds 8 - 46 = -32

Hank 9 - 45 -- Bonds 9 - 37 = -40

Hank 10 - 44 -- Bonds 10 - 33 = -51

Hank 11 - 24 -- Bonds 11 - 42 = -33

Hank 12 - 32 -- Bonds 12 - 40 = -25

Hank 13 - 44 -- Bonds 13 - 37 = -32

Hank 14 - 39 -- Bonds 14 - 34 = -37

Bonds is a full season, 37 home runs, of his best production behind Aaron to this point.

I didn't say that Bonds was better than Aaron, I said comparably equally. And you've helped me prove that.

37 HR/14 years = about 2.6 more HRs per year.

2.6 is nothing... Even if we give the full three...

that's 36 HRs to 39 HRs... that's very little.

Hank could get just 3 more HRs in one good game.

Moreover, I would say that Barry faced better pitching.

[AHF]

I didn't say that Bonds was better than Aaron, I said comparably equally. And you've helped me prove that.

37 HR/14 years = about 2.6 more HRs per year.

2.6 is nothing... Even if we give the full three...

that's 36 HRs to 39 HRs... that's very little.

Hank could get just 3 more HRs in one good game.

Moreover, I would say that Barry faced better pitching.

Semantics aside, you agree that without steroids Bonds would not have come close to breaking Hank's record, right?

[AHF]

Here is a bit of the transcript that the prosecution plans to introduce:

The most important document may be the transcript of a recorded conversation between Bonds' personal trainer, Greg Anderson, and Bonds' former business partner and longtime friend, Steve Hoskins. Assuming the transcript reflects an accurately recorded conversation -- which Bonds' counsel will question, given that Hoskins, rather than a recording specialist, taped it -- Anderson tells Hoskins that he injected Bonds with substances that sound very much like steroids. Here is a particularly telling excerpt from that conversation:

Anderson: [E]verything I've been doing at this point is undetectable.

Hoskins: Right.

Anderson: See, the stuff that I have . . . we created it. And you can't, you can't buy it anywhere. You can't get it anywhere else. But, you can take it the day of and pee.

Hoskins: Uh-huh.

Anderson: And it comes up with nothing.

Hoskins: Isn't that the same [expletive] that Marion Jones and them were using?

Anderson: Yeah same stuff, the same stuff that worked at the Olympics.

On the 2003 drug test, the first test was done by Quest Diagnostics out of NJ and the second round was done by the U.C.L.A. Olympic laboratory. I don't know anything about the methodology used on the two rounds of testing.

[Diesel]

Semantics aside, you agree that without steroids Bonds would not have come close to breaking Hank's record, right?

Hard to say.

First off, let's assume that 2001 was the start of steriods. Who is to say that Steriods didn't shorten Bonds' career?

Bonds had three major injuries that were probably due to the body holding too much muscle mass. Then he was blackballed out of the league. Who is to say?

Remember, Hank's latter years wasn't as fruitful as his first 14. The thing that Hank had on everybody is a lack of injury. He averaged like 150+ games a year. NO other pro going after his record has been able to do that. I think Aaron was in a sweet spot of being athletic. Not that he trained perfectly, but that he didn't do a lot of weight training and therefore had more longevity with just running.

[AHF]

Both Bonds and Aaron played their last season at age 42.

You are right that Aaron was remarkable for how well he held up over the years. Assuming Bonds would have both held up better than Aaron and gone from 37 home runs down to surpass Aaron in the waning years of his career does not seem realistic to me.

Edited February 5, 2009 by AHF

[Diesel]

Here is a bit of the transcript that the prosecution plans to introduce:

On the 2003 drug test, the first test was done by Quest Diagnostics out of NJ and the second round was done by the U.C.L.A. Olympic laboratory. I don't know anything about the methodology used on the two rounds of testing.

That is worst than the first...

IRS seized Bonds' urine.

Can I hear about chain of custody...

This is worse even still...

Samuels would not say whether IRS agents took the drug-test results or specimen of Barry Bonds, but said the agents took materials consistent with a federal subpoena that had sought test results and specimens from the San Francisco Giants' slugger and fewer than a dozen other players. Among them were New York Yankees stars Gary Sheffield and Jason Giambi.

The raid occurred Thursday, shortly after the Major League Baseball Players Association filed a motion in a San Francisco court seeking to squash that subpoena.

IRS spokesman Mark Lessler and U.S. Attorney's spokeswoman Ji-Yon Yi said they could not comment.

Samuels said the IRS agents served the search warrant on the Quest lab after obtaining a coded list from California-based Comprehensive Drug Testing that matched players to the results and the samples.

I'm not going to even go into how illegal all this is and chain of custody is lost considering how they got it. Moreover,

"Teterboro, N.J.-based Quest and Comprehensive Drug Testing of Long Beach, Calif., did the tests last year for Major League Baseball, which was trying to determine the prevalence of steroid use among players. When more than 5 percent of those tests came back positive, the major leagues began a new testing program this season that includes punishments for those caught using steroids. "

So like I stated, the method used by Quest was the first method to find all of these THG users in baseball.

What caused all of this...

Like I said before... some guy trying to add evidence by illegal means...

That evidence should be a joke in the courtroom now.

[AHF]

Can I hear about chain of custody...

This is worse even still...

I'm not going to even go into how illegal all this is and chain of custody is lost considering how they got it.

Chain of custody and how they got it are definitely two different issues. Bonds' attorneys will raise chain of custody objections to the admissibility of the evidence at trial. I expect this will not be a slam dunk for the prosecution, but it isn't clear that there isn't a reliable chain of custody either. If the results were securely maintained and coded, they should be reliable and admissible. If the results were not securely stored, they may never get into evidence based on chain of custody type issues.

The issue of whether this was illegal was decided by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals which held that the way the feds obtained the samples, etc. was legal. The MLB Players Association argued that they should not be able to have the tests particularly since they took all of them - not just those for Bonds and the others specifically under investigation. The District Court ruled that the search was illegal. The 9th Circuit (which is the most liberal and unpredictable in the country) disagreed and held that the search was legal. Only the Supreme Court could reverse that as it applies to this case.

[AHF]

Looks like Bonds is making progress on the chain of custody issue:

U.S. District Judge Susan Illston said during an evidentiary hearing Thursday that she was leaning toward excluding the results seized by investigators during a BALCO raid unless there is direct testimony tying the urine samples to Bonds. The judge also said she likely would exclude a so-called doping calendar, which prosecutors allege Bonds' personal trainer Greg Anderson kept for Bonds, for the same reason.

Illston did, however, say she was inclined to allow jurors to hear a recorded conversation between Anderson and Bonds' former personal assistant, Steve Hoskins, discussing steroid use.

She is not expected to issue her ruling Thursday.

Bonds is charged with lying to a December 2003 grand jury when he said he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs. He pleaded not guilty to the charges earlier Thursday, then stayed for the hearing, sitting quietly at a table with six lawyers for about an hour.

According to court documents, Bonds tested positive on three separate occasions in 2000 and 2001 for the steroid methenelone in urine samples; he also tested positive two of those three times for the steroid nandrolone.

The test results were seized in a 2003 raid on the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, the headquarters of a massive sports doping ring shut down by federal agents. Agents said they seized numerous results of blood and urine tests by Bonds, which prosecutors argue show the slugger was intimately involved with BALCO.

Those three positive tests were some of the strongest evidence the government had in its effort to prove Bonds knowingly took steroids.

Bonds' lawyers argue there is no way to know the test results belong to Bonds because of shoddy collection, handling and processing of the urine samples. A similar chain-of-custody argument was used by O.J. Simpson to help win an acquittal in his murder trial.

Illston and the lawyers didn't discuss a fourth positive test seized in 2004 from a lab used by Major League Baseball to test its players during anonymous survey testing in 2003.

Court documents released Wednesday revealed Hoskins, Bonds' childhood friend, secretly tape-recorded a 2003 conversation with Anderson in the Giants' clubhouse because Hoskins wanted to prove to Bonds' father, Bobby Bonds, that his son was using steroids.

Anderson and Hoskins, who were near Bonds' locker, were discussing steroid injections, and at one point, they lowered their voices to avoid being overheard as players, including Benito Santiago, and others walked by, according to the documents.

Anderson: "No, what happens is, they put too much in one area, and ... actually ball up and puddle. And what happens is, it actually will eat away and make an indentation. And it's a cyst. It makes a big (expletive) cyst. And you have to drain it. Oh yeah, it's gnarly. ... Hi Benito. ... Oh it's gnarly."

Hoskins: "... Is that why Barry's didn't do it in one spot, and you didn't just let him do it one time?"

Anderson: "Oh no. I never. I never just go there. I move it all over the place."

Also during that conversation, Anderson told Hoskins that "everything that I've been doing at this point, it's all undetectable," according to the documents.

"See, the stuff that I have ... we created it," he was quoted as saying. "And you can't, you can't buy it anywhere. You can't get it anywhere else."

He added that he was unconcerned about Bonds testing positive because Marion Jones and other athletes using the same drugs had not been caught doping.

"So that's why I know it works. So that's why I'm not even trippin'. So that's cool," Anderson said, according to the transcript.

Anderson's attorney Mark Geragos said his client will refuse to testify at trial, so the transcripts would be the prosecution's chance to introduce his voice into their arguments.

But Bonds' attorneys argue his right to confront witnesses would be violated if his attorneys can't question Anderson about the recording. The trial is scheduled to begin March 2, and lawyers estimate it will last about a month.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/base...t.ap/index.html

Edited February 5, 2009 by AHF

[Admin]

Just for grins I thought it would be interesting to compare Bonds, Aaron, and A-Rod.

Aaron

Seasons: 23

Games: 3298

At Bats: 12364

Avg Games: 144.4

HR Total: 755

Avg HR's: 0.061 per at bat

Avg HR's: 0.23 per game

Avg HR's: 32.8 per season

A-Rod

Seasons: 15

Games: 2042

At Bats: 7860

Avg Games: 136

HR Total: 553

Avg HR's: 0.070 per at bat

Avg HR's: 0.27 per game

Avg HR's: 36.9 per season

Bonds

Seasons: 22

Games: 2986

At Bats: 9847

Avg Games: 136

HR Total: 762

Avg HR's: 0.077 per at bat

Avg HR's: 0.26 per game

Avg HR's: 34.6 per season

Season by season HR breakdown

Season 1

Aaron: 13 (-3)

A-Rod: 00 (-16)

Bonds: 16

Season 2

Aaron: 27 (40) (-1)

A-Rod: 05 (05) (-36)

Bonds: 25 (41)

Season 3

Aaron: 26 (66)

A-Rod: 36 (41) (-25)

Bonds: 24 (65) (-1)

Season 4

Aaron: 44 (110)

A-Rod: 23 (64) (-46)

Bonds: 19 (84) (-26)

Season 5

Aaron: 30 (140)

A-Rod: 42 (106) (-34)

Bonds: 33 (117) (-23)

Season 6

Aaron: 39 (179)

A-Rod: 42 (148) (-31)

Bonds: 25 (142) (-37)

Season 7

Aaron: 40 (219)

A-Rod: 41 (189) (-30)

Bonds: 34 (176) (-43)

Season 8

Aaron: 34 (253)

A-Rod: 52 (241) (-12)

Bonds: 46 (222) (-31)

Season 9

Aaron: 45 (298)

A-Rod: 57 (298)

Bonds: 37 (259) (-39)

Season 10

Aaron: 44 (342) (-3)

A-Rod: 47 (345)

Bonds: 33 (292) (-53)

Season 11

Aaron: 24 (366) (-15)

A-Rod: 36 (381)

Bonds: 42 (334) (-47)

Season 12

Aaron: 32 (398) (-31)

A-Rod: 48 (429)

Bonds: 40 (374) (-55)

Season 13

Aaron: 44 (442) (-22)

A-Rod: 35 (464)

Bonds: 37 (411) (-53)

Season 14

Aaron: 39 (481) (-37)

A-Rod: 54 (518)

Bonds: 34 (445) (-73)

Season 15

Aaron: 29 (510) (-43)

A-Rod: 35 (553)

Bonds: 49 (494) (-59)

Season 16

Aaron: 44 (554) (-13)

A-Rod: -- (553) (-14)

Bonds: 73 (567)

Season 17

Aaron: 38 (592) (-21)

A-Rod: -- (553) (-60)

Bonds: 46 (613)

Season 18

Aaron: 47 (639) (-19)

A-Rod: -- (553) (-105)

Bonds: 45 (658)

Season 19

Aaron: 34 (673) (-30)

A-Rod: -- (553) (-150)

Bonds: 45 (703)

Season 20

Aaron: 40 (713)

A-Rod: -- (553) (-160)

Bonds: 05 (708) (-5)

Season 21

Aaron: 20 (733) (-1)

A-Rod: -- (553) (-181)

Bonds: 26 (734)

Season 22

Aaron: 12 (745) (-17)

A-Rod: -- (553) (-209)

Bonds: 28 (762)

Season 23

Aaron: 10 (755) (-7)

A-Rod: -- (553) (-209)

Bonds: -- (762)

Cautiously assuming that A-Rod slides to 30 HR per season (down from his past 5 year average of 41.6 and total average of 36.9) it will take him 7 more years to pass Bonds and Aaron around Sept/Oct of 2016 which would make A-Rod 41 years old. Interestingly his contract expires in 2017 and if he surpasses Bonds HR mark he'll get an additional $30 million for a total salary of $50 million the year he breaks it (whether its 2016 or 2017).