Poll: Fox vs Newble! everyone vote!

[cyman3]

"Fox is much better than Ira... Poll the group, who would they rather have... Fox or Ira."

- Diesel

there you have it. If u want Fox to win, u shoulda asked "who has the better looking wife" or "who has the better coach!"

Fox: 27.9 mpg, .421%, .313 3PT%, .824 FT%, 4.70 rpg, 3.5 apg, .82 spg, .26 spg, 7.9 ppg

Newble: 30.3 mpg, .498%, .143 3PT% (1-7), .852 FT%, 5.30 rpg, 1.1 apg, .90 spg, .48 bpg, 8.0 ppg

IN A 2.4 MINUTE DIFFERENCE (b/t playing time), Fox is the better:

1)3 pt shooter

2)paser/assist per game

the two are similar PPG wise, but the other numbers should tell who the better player is!

[Guest]

1)Fox is getting old

2)He used us to up his sign value

3)He is inconsisant

4)George should be starting over him next season

5)he is a total screw up

Fox is a better 3pt shooter.....but Ira he is a better

hustle player and gets more "something out of nothing"

baskets.

Fox will be hitting 35-37 years old soon.I don't even

think Laker fans like him all that much.

[Diesel]

Unfortunately, the question isn't who do you want 4 to 5 yrs from now.

The question is who do you want now.

If we pulled a Philly or NJ and we played our way to the playoffs to the championships...

who would you want on your squad at Sf.

Newble or Fox.

Do you want Ty Corbin Jr... Or Fox.

I tell you this. No true playoff team will hesitate to double down on SAR and force Newble to beat them from the 3 pt line. And when you have that .143 average sitting on the 3 pt line wide open... I want you to remember how guys who are better shooters like Christie and Peja pulled up Short under pressure.

Do you think that Ira will do anything that was not Ty Corbin like??

cyman if you want to influence a poll.... Learn from the master.

Who would you really want.

A guy who would embarrass the franchise or a guy who has consistently shown he can be a scoring threat when he needed to be.

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The Lakers lost the home-court edge to the Kings, but the reigning champions have won 23 of their past 25 playoff games and when they have had a chance to end a playoff series, the Lakers have done so seven times in a row.

Bryant gave the Lakers an 85-83 lead and Duncan missed on the Spurs' next two possessions, his first attempt swatted away by O'Neal's fifth block and the second over "Shaq" well off the mark, completing a streak of eight misses in nine shots for the NBA Most Valuable Player that spelled doom for San Antonio.

Rick Fox, who finished with 17 points, followed with a lay-in to boost the Laker lead.

France's Tony Parker missed a 3-point shot for the Spurs but Robert Horry followed with a 3-point hoop of his own to complete a 7-0 Los Angeles run and give the Lakers a 90-83 advantage.

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Small forward: Pippen was solid throughout the series, racking up good scoring, rebounding and assist numbers. But he couldn't put it together as a leader, then opened the door in Game 3 with a missed free throw in the closing seconds.

Rick Fox had an excellent Game 3 performance, with 16 points, five rebounds and three steals. When he's hitting his shot, the Lakers are unbeatable

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Who would you want....

Ty Corbin Jr... All Alone at the 3 pt line with his .143 average or rick Fox...

Not 5 yrs from now... But now.

[cyman3]

Newble didnt have any POSTSEASON numbers so who u comparing Rick Fox's 17 points and 16 points with? TY CORBINS?

-If Newble was given the opportunity to play next to BRYANT and ONEAL, and i can see him doing the same. Oneal is always doubled if not tripled.

"A guy who would embarrass the franchise or a guy who has consistently shown he can be a scoring threat when he needed to be."

-How is Newble an embarassment? He was the GLUE that change the losing attitude for the hawks. He held many STAR SG's to under 20 points night in and night out. Our attitudes started to change and we started winning. I dont call that an embarassment.

A guy has a very good games and u call him "a scoring threat when he needed to be?" You mention his good games, but what about his bad games? Let me guess, he didnt need to be a scoring threat at the time.

[Guest Walter]

Just like Kobe stepped up F-A-R more in Shaq's absence than the offensive dissappearing act of Fischer, Fox, and Horry, Rick Fox is F-A-R more like Ty Corbin than Ira Newble.

Ty Corbin, when he became a Hawk (presumably the Corbin you are referring too) was an aged veteran (1) who played good position defense (2), played almost exclusively on the perimeter on offense (3), was not very efficient on offense (4), and seemed to disappear on the court at times playing a very quiet game.

THIS IS RICK FOX TO A "T"(y)!!!

Are you gonna tell me that the 25 year old (?) Ira's defensive success is the result of a defensive style more similar to Ty Corbin's than Rick Fox's is?????????????????????????

Are you gonna tell me Ira doesn't cut to the basket? Fox, like Corbin, is ALWAYS on the perimeter! NOT IRA! He finishes not stands behind the 3 point line.

Are you gonna tell me Ira's overall offensive game and level of efficiency is more like Ty Corbin than Fox's is? If so get a [censored] CLUE!

Are you gonna tell me that you ever knew Ira wasn't on the court? Fox and Ty are "quiet players". Ira makes more noise.

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While I respect Fox as a championship experienced, aging role player...

The fact is that Ira was a bigger impact player for us than Fox was for LA, He will cost less, he is younger with more potential, and well to be honest with you Rick Fox is FAR more like Ty Corbin than Ira Newble!

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[Guest]

It's esy to try and sell you're crap when you try and

throw out a few good games but always fail to mention

the bad games.Alot of Laker fans I have talked to desperatly

want to see Rick Fox GONE.Why would the biggest hometowner

fans in the league want him GONE?Because he sux d*ck.Hell,

even Larry Robinson can have a few good games.Does a

couple of good games convince me?Hell no they don't!

Rick Fox will dissapear for chunks of the season...

[Diesel]

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-If Newble was given the opportunity to play next to BRYANT and ONEAL, and i can see him doing the same. Oneal is always doubled if not tripled.

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You know why a guy like Newble couldn't be with Shaq or Kobe.. Newble can't hit the open shot. Guys like Fisher, Horry, and Fox have made their living by hitting the open Shot when Shaq is doubled and tripled. AND YOU BELIEVE THAT NEWBLE WILL HIT AN OPEN THREE LIKE FOX?

What about Newble's .143 3 pt average makes you believe that he can?? Like some on this group, all Newble is is a defensive specialist. To call him anything else is a joke.

[Diesel]

Your point is not important to the topic...

However, let's talk about what real basketball fans know. Real basketball fans know that every Phil Jackson team is on "cruise control" until the postseason. You see, an experienced winning team knows that you don't do your best work until the playoffs come. That's the Lakers..

But Back to the subject.

Ira is a defensive specialist whoose offense arises from putbacks and break away layups.

Fox does the same but Fox can also hit from outside.

I just read a dumass Walter post where he tries to say that Fox being able to hit from outside somehow makes him weaker than Newble.

That's a dumass post because the Lakers don't need a slasher when Shaq clogs up the middle and is already triple teamed. Newble couldn't be of any service to the Lake Show's offense. What would they need a putback man for? Shaq has all the rebounds. What most teams need (including us) is a guy that other teams have to respect when they see him on the perimeter.

THATS NOT NEWBLE

Therefore, just like his predecessor TY Corbin.. My guarantee is that if we go into the playoffs with Newble as our starting Sf, TEAMS will isolate him... and use his man to double down on Reef or JT. And just like the Bulls did Corbin, they will force Newble to beat them...from outside. And guess what??? I don't think he can... JUST LIKE CORBIN.

[Guest]

Yes my point means something to the topic.Why does everyone

want him to go?Because he sucks.He isn't any good,but as a

said a couple of good games does mean crap.Fox would look

even worse on another team cause he would get even less

open looks.He sucks....Just because Ira wouldn't fit in with

the Lakers doesn't mean Fox is the better player.

Just like you talk about how Mason doesn't fit in with the

Bucks style.I'm not gunna say Ira would tear it up from the

outside with Shaq and Kobe because he wouldn't.However,

I like his game bettter.I wouldn't want either as my starter

and I have made that point before.

But if I had to choose I'd rather have Ira.We are younger

and a Rick Fox doesn't help us just Toni doesn't help us...

Toni is a better outside shooter,but Ira was more useful

than he was this season.

[Guest]

Why aren't the Lakers Shopping him??

Since everyone is so sick and tired of him... Why not trade him and resign George to replace him?

I have been looking from one word about the Lakers (specifically will they keep George) and their is nothing about THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE being fed up with Fox.

Keep talking to the outsiders...

My bet is that Fox will retire a Laker. NOt that they couldn't get rid of him, but they like him. They being the people in CHARGE.

[BlackHawkDown]

Fox is better, but he is also more $$$ and a waste of our resources we could sign 4 young players for the same price it would be a waste to pay him 4-5 mil. Besides I know for afact he wont leave LA.

[Hawksfreak]

Ira 10 times better then rick fox. All rick fox does is advertise "scetcher" shoes.

[chillzatl]

""A guy who would embarrass the franchise or a guy who has consistently shown he can be a scoring threat when he needed to be.""

That's garbage and you know it. If rick fox were consistant the Lakers wouldn't have had to work to get to the finals this year. Did you even watch those games? All through the playoffs all you heard was "when is someone else on the lakers going to step up". Seems like Mr. Consistancy wasn't very consistant when they needed him the most. Not to mention the months at a time he takes off during the regular season. For what Rick Fox would cost us to get him, I would rather have Newbill. Now is totally irrelevant. We aren't going to win NOW. I'd rather develop someone who could do he job tomorrow than to get a guy with medicre talent, a larger contract, no desire to be in our city and more grey hair every day.

Why don't you give Newbill some time to try and develop instead of trying to replace him at every turn? The guy has never been in a position that a team wants him for a certain role. He has talent, he's very athletic and has a good mid-range shot. Why not give him the chance to improve his game to match the role the Hawks gave him? He's said to be working feverishly on his shot this summer. If that's the case there is no reason he can't be what we need at a great price.

You call him Ty Corbin jr and that's a**-talk. Ty Corbins talent was maxxed out when we had him. He did not have the ability to be any better than what he was for us. Ira Newbill has the ability to be better than what we've seen so far. He's not going to replace Vince Carter in the All-stars, but he has talent and has the ability to become better.

[chillzatl]

newbill can hit the open shot, just not the 3pt shot. SO get it right. Don't fudge what you are saying so you can sound right. He's a good shooter, just not a 3pt shooter, yet. He certainly has the ability to beome a 30-35% 3 shooter though.

What walter said is right. Rick Fox is more like Ty Corbin than Ira is simply because Fox's talent level is MAXXED. He is never going to be anything more than what he is right now. Ira Newbill has the ability to be better than he is. Ignoring that just so you can be right is a joke.

[Hawksfreak]

Finally someone believes me that Ira is better then Rick. Ira has more pasion then Rick does and he is still growing he will be much better then fox!

[Diesel]

I hear you saying that Ira has the ability to be a 30-35% 3 pt shooter...

My question is why hasn't he done it?

There were plenty times...THIS YR... SAR is triple team and the ballgoes out to Ty Corbin Jr. and all he does is pass it around... .143 from 3 pt speaks for itself. Damn, Charles Barkley had a better stroke from outside.

Also, this idea that he will have many open shots inside the perimeter is a fantasy too. Teams defensive schemes are designed to force Nonshooters outside with the ball in their hands.

Don't you remember Yrs ago when Charlotte had Gill, Morning, and LJ (all friends). They were an awesome squad... However, when the games got important, Teams knew that if they forced Mugsy to beat them from outside he couldn't do it. Being that you guys don't remember Ty Corbin (BTW, Hawksfreak just stay out because you wasn't even born in Ty's playing days) Maybe you remember Mugsy.

My point is that Ira on the 3 pt line... would he do any better than Christie or Peja? I mean in the regular season he doesn't shoot nearly as well as those guys.

And youguys who throw up the FG% as if it means anything, I got two words for you... LAY UP.

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Why don't you give Newbill some time to try and develop instead of trying to replace him at every turn?

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Here's the very basics of the whole matter. Right now, Newble (not Newbill like My Man Ivano) is just BU material. Once we stop Glorifying BUs and start working realistically to fill our holes we can start to reach towards the championship level.

I thought very hard about it today...

The East just might be better and More balanced than anyone could have suspected. It's very possible that we might not make the playoffs.

Guess who's on the verge of being a contender again....

THE KNICKS.

If this deal of Nestor/Wally for Spree goes through, they will be a contender again.

I mean....

Eisley/Houston/Wally/McDyess/Nestor!

and if by hook or crook they can get Baron Davis!!!

What that really means is that right now with: INdy, Milwaukee, Toronto, New Jersey, New York, Orlando, Detroit, Boston, Philly, and New Orleans... .NOTHING IS PROMISED. Especially when we are glorifying a Backup at SF.

[Hawksfreak]

That is not his upside Ira's upside is too play SF and play defense and hit jumpers as well as contribute in the low post.

[Diesel]

We are not talking about which player has the most potential?

The question is who is better now.

For anyone to believe that .143 3 pt shooting Ira is better than Rick Fox right now... IS CRAZY.

Even Cyman has to preference every thing he talks about in Ira with...

Well Ira's close.

Did I mention Fox's Assists already??

[SWOLEHAWK]

but he doesn't have the offensive skills YET.

[Hawksfreak]

he will just needs some time but he is here mainly for defense