Hawks are one legit big away from a chip..

[Hawkmoor]

I know this has been beat into the ground, but it's beyond frustrating. The failure to REALLY make a move to get over the hump, leaves you saying, and I quote from the movie Casino " either you were in on it or you was too dumb, either way, I gotta let you go".  

 

That's where I stand with Hawk's management and their failure to address the problem and really challenge for the championship.

This is a good team with a major flaw. If a player like Dwight Howard was in the paint, Sap would be a beast at power forward. Even more so than now. He gets overworked trying to do his job and horfords job all at the same time. That spread offense that bud kept trying to force with Pero last year, and horford this year, would work with Howard in the paint.

Defenses would be spread inside out AND sideline to sideline.  In the playoffs, you would force other teams to beat you with jumpers, instead of the drives they get now to the bucket (lebron, etc.)

I want horford GONE. He IS the problem. He is good enough to make a person who doesn't know basketball, think that he is part of the solution. In reality, he is a glorified stretch power forward, in the way of Sap and a true run at a championship.

 

Edited November 27, 2015 by Hawkmoor

[Guest]

Agreed.  I don't know why they haven't traded for Andre Drummond or prime Shaq yet?

[Hawkmoor]

24 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Agreed.  I don't know why they haven't traded for Andre Drummond or prime Shaq yet?

Funny how Cleveland, like the bulls with Jordan (Rodman), knew that no matter how many points Jordan/lebron score, THAT alone doesn't win championships. You need somebody to go get it (Rodman/Thompson).   That's why Cleveland SMOKED Atlanta in the playoffs......

Edited November 27, 2015 by Hawkmoor

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

Funny how Cleveland, like the bulls with Jordan (Rodman), knew that no matter how many points Jordan/lebron score, THAT alone doesn't win championships. You need somebody to go get it (Rodman/Thompson).   That's why Cleveland SMOKED Atlanta in the playoffs......

Yeah, LeiBron and injuries had nothing to do with it.  Also interesting that the Jordan Bulls won nothing before they got Rodman.  Who knew?

Sarcasm aside, my point is that it's not just a matter of recognizing a weakness or an area for improvement.  There's a lot that goes into why trades do or don't happen.  They can't just go to other teams and say, "Hey, we need an all-star caliber 4/5.  Take our trash and give us your starter.  I'll wait."

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Hawkmoor said:

Funny how Cleveland, like the bulls with Jordan (Rodman), knew that no matter how many points Jordan/lebron score, THAT alone doesn't win championships. You need somebody to go get it (Rodman/Thompson).   That's why Cleveland SMOKED Atlanta in the playoffs......

If LBJ and Jordan only scored points you may have a point. There defense and rebounding weren't shabby by any stretch. Yes, you need the hustle, dirty work guys but in the end you still NEED that GUY who makes everybody else's job easier so those guys can  just focus on what they are good at. Rodman's job was to get the ball and give to Jordan, (who gets the ball fir the Hawks) that's all he cared about and wanted to do, guys like D12  still fuss about their 'touches'. 

[Hawkmoor]

2 hours ago, kg01 said:

Yeah, LeiBron and injuries had nothing to do with it.  Also interesting that the Jordan Bulls won nothing before they got Rodman.  Who knew?

Sarcasm aside, my point is that it's not just a matter of recognizing a weakness or an area for improvement.  There's a lot that goes into why trades do or don't happen.  They can't just go to other teams and say, "Hey, we need an all-star caliber 4/5.  Take our trash and give us your starter.  I'll wait."

The hawks don't SERIOUSLY pursue the bigs that would help them.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

The hawks don't SERIOUSLY pursue the bigs that would help them.

If you believe that's the primary reason then there's nothing more we can discuss.

[capstone21]

It's not major changes that are needed .... Just some subtle ones that can answer needs but not disrupt chemistry ...Honestly getting someone like Ed Davis from Portland would help tremendously... A pf/c who rebounds and plays in the post and only needs about 20 something minutes.  He doesn't cost a lot and could probably be gettable from the Blazers.  

[bird_dirt]

6 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

The hawks don't SERIOUSLY pursue the bigs that would help them.

Actually they did go hard after the one guy you mention. They kept Smoove around far too long and traded for fellow GA product Lou Williams all in an attempt to lure him here. He was adamant about not coming to ATL, and Josh eventually joined him Houston. That was Ferry's firstorder of business and when it failed, this team was plan B.

[Vol4ever]

To work in Buds scheme it would take a big who can really move  and shoot the ball.   For you youngsters that don't remember the Denver Nuggets had a team similar to the Hawks and their coach was Doug Moe, whom coach Bud coaches just like him.  They had a 6-9 center from Kentucky named Dan Issel who was a dead eye shooter, but he also could really put the ball on the floor and go to the basket usually getting a basket or a shooting foul.   IMO this is the only type of center that would work in Buds offense.  I'm not sure there are many players like that in the league now.  

[Hawkmoor]

1 minute ago, capstone21 said:

It's not major changes that are needed .... Just some subtle ones that can answer needs but not disrupt chemistry ...Honestly getting someone like Ed Davis from Portland would help tremendously... A pf/c who rebounds and plays in the post and only needs about 20 something minutes.  He doesn't cost a lot and could probably be gettable from the Blazers.  

I agree. The only reason I suggest Howard is because of the fact that he can opt out of his contract with Houston and I'm thinking he will bounce from them. Otherwise, you are correct. They don't need a superstar, just someone who can bang and get 8 to 10 rebounds to help Sap.

[NBASupes]

Once I get on a desktop,  remind me to negate the opportunity thread

[Hawkmoor]

5 minutes ago, bird_dirt said:

Actually they did go hard after the one guy you mention. They kept Smoove around far too long and traded for fellow GA product Lou Williams all in an attempt to lure him here. He was adamant about not coming to ATL, and Josh eventually joined him Houston. That was Ferry's firstorder of business and when it failed, this team was plan B.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but I've never heard it said in the media that ferry made a serious attempt at Howard. All I heard was that Atlanta wasn't on his list back then.

[bird_dirt]

9 hours ago, Hawkmoor said:

That spread offense that bud kept trying to force with Pero last year, and horford this year, would work with Howard in the paint.

 

I will say that this portion of the OP made me think something differently. I had been thinking (much like many have been saying) that Splitter was brought in to be Pero's replacement/upgrade. But you're right, Horford is really Pero's replacement given his usage this season, not Splitter. 

Quite an interesting turn of theoretical assumptions! 

[Hawkmoor]

8 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

To work in Buds scheme it would take a big who can really move  and shoot the ball.   For you youngsters that don't remember the Denver Nuggets had a team similar to the Hawks and their coach was Doug Moe, whom coach Bud coaches just like him.  They had a 6-9 center from Kentucky named Dan Issel who was a dead eye shooter, but he also could really put the ball on the floor and go to the basket usually getting a basket or a shooting foul.   IMO this is the only type of center that would work in Buds offense.  I'm not sure there are many players like that in the league now.  

His name is Anthony Davis........lol

He is playing in New Orleans.  Lol....

[Hawkmoor]

5 minutes ago, bird_dirt said:

I will say that this portion of the OP made me think something differently. I had been thinking (much like many have been saying) that Splitter was brought in to be Pero's replacement/upgrade. But you're right, Horford is really Pero's replacement given his usage this season, not Splitter. 

Quite an interesting turn of theoretical assumptions! 

Exactly. Believe it or not, but teague and Dennis driving to the basket IS the hawk's interior offense. Horford is out on the wings...

[Vol4ever]

8 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

His name is Anthony Davis........lol

He is playing in New Orleans.  Lol....

David Lee would really help us since there is no shot at Anthony Davis.

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

David Lee would really help us since there is no shot at Anthony Davis.

Too bad he has that 1 year left on his deal otherwise he'd be ideal (well, offensively anyway).

ADavis is indeed out of reach.  Too bad he resigned himself to career mediocrity with that lifetime-esque deal in NO.  Let's be honest.  They're never going to amount to anything down there.

[Hawkmoor]

Hawks shot more 3 pointers than regular shots last night......I guess they don't need a big......

[Diesel]

The truth is that we took a very injured team into that Cleveland series.  I'm here to make sure that you don't forget that.  BUT... Even healthy, Al is not the type of rebounder that would have kept us in games.

I disagree with the title. I don't think we're a major piece away.  For all I know, we have the right piece on the bench (Edy).  We just got to wait until he develops.

Here's the thing about Al.

He's efficient.  His midrange game is efficient.  However, Bud has to get in his mind about these three point shots.   The JoshSmithness that he's showing is something that will kill us faster than his inability or nonwanttoness  to get rebounds.  IF nothing changes with that, then maybe it would be best that he comes off the bench and plays PF with the second unit... ala Smoove.  Then we can rotate Splitter and Edy.