JTFan and ARR

[kelston827]

How come every time you guys mention Dan Dickau you find it necessary to mention the fact that he's white??

More and more, I've noticed race becoming more prevalent on this site and, to be honest, I find it disturbing.

I'm not going to let a few ignorant apples spoil the bunch, but I just think you both should know how immature and ignorant you come across with your constant references to the "great white hope" and "white players have no heart" (my favorite ARR quote)

[Guest]

Why does everyone feel the need to say he is the next Stockton

or whatever in hopes that he is.Just like people hope so badly

that Kobe makes it to MJ status(No player in the watered down

NBA can accomplish this anyway)Because Dickau is white and

comes from the same college as Stockton did that means he is

the next one.So it goes that way aswell.

People are thinking:

Dickau+White+Gonzaga=John Stockton

I mean what has the little midget EVER done besides he a college

overachiever for some 5th rate college.I mean,Dion and Ed Gray

had good college too but neither has yet to pan out in the NBA.

[Guest]

Not to mention JT brings good charisma to a rather boring hawks

roster filled with boring players.I'm sure Dan would fit in with the

rest of the boring personaities we have on the team.lol

Not only is JT proven,but he brings personality onto a otherwise

personality less team.You can tell when he hits big shots he

enjoys what he does.

[JTFan31]

I Just repeated what someone else said, calling him the great white hope, and IMO he is no hope.

BTW I'm white so is not about race to me, partner.

It just lights me up of all theignorance that people have, still calling JT a SG and Dickau being a better PG, which is totally clueless, then we have this Kings fan (dimes4life) saying the same thing, thinking he really does believe Dickau is better than JT.

IMO like I have said before Dickau shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as JT. JT is a superstar in the making and he hasnt hit his prime yet, damn thats scary.

[Guest]

Is JT is the only heart of the team.None of our other players seem to

have it including the guy we just traded for.Big Dog doesn't have heart

either.

Dickau

DJ

Big Dog

SAR

Theo

I hate to see that team in the 4th period.ouch!

I don't really mean it to sound as I hate Dickau cause he is white.But

I do think people figure that since he is white and comes from the

same college that means he will have the same sucess.

But I couldn't picture those 5 in the 4th on a every game basis.We

would never win really tight games.

[kelston827]

When have I compared Dickau with Stockton??

To my knowledge, the only people who have made that comparison are "experts", commentators and scouts who get paid for making these kinds of evaluations. Obviously, with both going to Gonzaga comparisons are going to be made. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is your inability to discuss Dan Dickau the basketball player, but rather Dan Dickau the WHITE basketball player.

And you ask what this "little midget" has done?? And his "5th rate college"??

How many Sweet 16s did Gonzaga make in Dickau's years??

And how many did Dion's Ga. Tech teams make?? Ed Gray's Cal teams??

Thought so.

[Guest]

It doesn't matter it IS COLLEGE.COLLEGE IS DIFFERENT FROM

THE NBA.

"And how many did Dion's Ga. Tech teams make?? Ed Gray's Cal teams?? "

Didn't Dion only play one season?But the fact that he brought alot of

hype...Didn't he average like 25PPG for GA Tech?And he has not

worked out.Dickau doesn't deserve the hype of a top 5 pick and

that is what he has been getting.Granted,you would think the more

hype for Hawk players the better right?Well,not when it likely will

not workout that way.

My point is that trading JT sucks cause it leaves us with even

more of a personality-less boring team than we already are.We would

never when a close game with the other heartless players we have.

When have Theo/SAR/Big Dog made shots of big importance?

Like in the Toronto game SAR had a WIDE OPEN shot at the end of

the game and passed the ball to JT for a 3 way behind the arc.I

couldn't believe Shareef did that.

[JTFan31]

again back to the point that ARR pointed out, Gonzaga played in a $hitty conference unlike Georgia tech has to play in the ACC and California plays in PAC - 10

ACC - Clemson, Duke, UNC, Georgia Tech, Maryland, NC Sate, FSU, Virginia and Wake Forest.

PAC -10 - Arizona, Arizona St., California, Oregon, Oregon ST., Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, & Washington St.

Now those are top level teams right across the board, these are all big time schools with excellent basketball programs with Hall of Fame coaches. California and Georgia Tech had to play each of thos team 2 times, wow and you expect them to make the elite team of 64, with the level of competition that their respected conferences have. Now lets look at Gonzaga's competition in the conference, which is basically none. Buts lets have a look.

West Coast Conference - Gonzaga, Loyola marymount (Bo Kimble was awesome there and was nothing in the NBA), Pepperdine, Portland, San Diego, San Francisco, Santa Clara, St. Mary's (CA).

Lets look at those teams, they probably have not even one guy drafted from any of those schools and only Dickau was the only draftee. From the ACC and PAC 10 you have guys drafted year in and year out, not just 1 guy , but quite a few just in the 1st round. In other words Dickau's competition in college was basically none and nonexistent.

[SteveBeckett]

Some people, including GM's in the NBA, think DD will be a good player. Some do not.

Your analysis, as typical, is shallow BS.

[Guest]

Yeah what would you know...lil Steve.lol

Dickau couldn't guard a paper bag.half the PG's

in the league will run right around him.

Everybody got so hype him because of one move

to Jefferson in the summer league.Dan probably will

never do anything like that again after jefferson pounded

him into the ground=)

If I ever go to a game I might throw a tomato at him=)

Oh and one more thing,if Dickau is every our fulltime starting

PG I lose even more respect for this franchise than I already

have.

[Diesel]

Sorry but this post sucks.

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Not to mention JT brings good charisma to a rather boring hawks

roster filled with boring players.I'm sure Dan would fit in with the

rest of the boring personaities we have on the team.lol

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Are you suggesting that you FEEL that Dan is boring? Heck, the no look behind the back passes and scoring streaks and stuff I have heard about Dan tells me that he may be MORE exciting than JT? I mean, which Hawksquawker can not point gaurd like JT??

"Bring the ball up. Pass into the post. Run to his spot. Get the ball back. Pass back into the post."...etc etc..

[Guest]

No Jt can actually makes shots when it counts and can play

defense.Dickau couldn't guard a paper bag.98% of starting

PG's will blow right passed him.

I seen nothing exciting abotu Dickau in the summer league game.

Like I said,when you have:

Dickau

DJ

Big Dog

SAR

Theo

Who is gunna make shots when they count?None of those guys have

the guts to do it.None of them ever have in the NBA.

It's stupid.

[Guest]

And you dang right part of it is biased.I just don't like the son

of a bitch.Even if he is sucessful I'm not going to support him

plain and simple.If you guys like a heartless team that is your

choice....whatever.....

Maybe it's not fair...either way I don't care if it is or isn't.I don't

approve of JT being traded for a rookie.It's a stupid idea.

Dan isn't Stockton and Shareef sure ain't no Karl Malone...get the

picture?

[BlackHawkDown]

I wanted DD as our pick at 35 not 29. 29 before expansion would have been a second rounder. I watch Gonzaga, DD was okay in college, a league of High School all stars, I think he is good but Great. God No. With that said.

I agree I wish there weren't so many race debates on this site that is why I addressed so many comments that I felt were racist in nature, addressed other posters, and privately discussed many post. I was accussed of racism because I dont like Dirk and Peja much and my top 7 coaches are black. I felt many people didn't really ask why? They just assumed instead of debating the points. With that said one thing that bothers me about the DD hype is I feel much of it is because he is white. Some is earned based on college stats but overall I think a lot of white players get some undeserved hype. DD is a okay player but star no.

I hope we will have more to talk about when the season starts.

[Guest]

Like I said,alot of boards around the net seem to be having

problems due to the offseason.It will improve once the season

gets about December.We are gunna get off to a REAL slow

start and I expect it.

Youy consider we have a new coaching staff,Theo/Big Dog/Dickau/

probably Willis(things surely are different since he left)and others

it will take time.Plus we have a REAL tuff November.

[Inside_Man]

It's real dangerous to call someone 'the next so and so'.

Ask Steve Avery, "the next Steve Carlton."

On the other hand - there's something worth it about guys who win, even if they don't seem to have the tools necessary to be winners. There's no better example than Joe Montana. Most pro scouts didn't think he had the stuff, but the fact is he engineered that great 4th qtr comeback in the sugar bowl - but what most people don't know is that ND took him because of a great 4th qtr comeback he engineered in high school. the guy was pulling off last minute touchdown drives since he was in diapers. he was a winner, pure and simple, and that counts for something.

Dickau's worth a shot because maybe he has that quality. Maybe. Right now he hasn't played 1 minute of NBA ball and he's our backup PG, and that's all he is.

Now, another topic that might be worth discussing is: Do NBA teams feel they need some white players to sell tix??

[Guest]

No I don't think teams look for white players to sell

tickets.I just think some fans are so eager for a white

superstar than they push the limit.First Christian was

the next Larry Bird....Now Dunleavy is the next Larry

Bird.....Now Dan Dickau is the next Stockton....I wish

people would just stop it.

1)It simply isn't fair to put these expectations on someone

cause it usally doesn't work the way people think.

2)I really think Dickau is alot like Vaughn.I didn't see the

John Stockton compare in the summer league game.

3)Dickau can't be a bust cause I don't expect him to do

much.Some people think he will be in line for the rookie

of the year and if he is not they will call him a bust.

[tmac]

JT play good Defense?..When? We all like JT, he does bring alot to the team, but so can DD. Why do all of the blind JT loyalists who can't see the holes in his game have to rip the new guy?..They can both help us win.

[Diesel]

Then you must admit that the people you criticize are right!

http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/vaughn_011005.html

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After being selected by the Utah Jazz as the 28th overall pick in the 1997 Draft, Vaughn has changed from being a four-year letterwinner in college to a four-year student of the game in the NBA. Jacque couldn't ask for a better point guard to learn the ins and outs of the game than John Stockton.

Former Kansas Jayhawk Vaughn watches practice with former Hawk guard (and Kansas State standout) and current Hawks scout Steve Henson.

People have started to notice in Atlanta. "They've already started calling me Little Stockton around here," admits the fifth-year point guard.

He can't exactly pinpoint what he learned, but acknowledges that Stockton has a strong influence on the way he plays the game today.

"It's the little things you pick up, it's hard for me to say what, but throughout the course of the game, I definitely learned a lot from Stockton."

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My point is this....

If you think that Dickau plays like Vaughn (little Stockton), then doesn't that suggest that you feel that in some ways he plays like Stockton??

[kelston827]