EazyRoc

Quote: Marvin to Cleveland for Andersen Vajero, Rights to JJ Hickson, and 2010 1st rounder. What we get is some big man help. Vajero is a motor and a defensive, rebounding machine. The move also allows us to offer Brent Barry our partial MLE. I'd give 2 year 5 Million. This definitely makes our team worse.

Quote: Quote: Falcons get Farve for his last season? wouldn't that be something. Start with the Falcons, end with the Falcons? I can give about 67 million reason why the Falcons wouldn't do this, and those reason are atteched to the #3 pick in the 08 draft. Matt Ryan is the QB of the Falcons and they aren't going to bring in Farve to take time away from Matt's development. If Matt doesn't start the season under center, he'll be there by game 6. Not to mention they have like 8 quarterbacks on the roster right now.

Quote: You say Smoove gets eaten alive by PFs in the east, care to name them? Chris Bosh, Kevin Garnett, Gerald Wallace, and Zach Randolph are PFs that had good games against Smith during the regular season, if I remember correctly.

Quote: One thing about Horf that I haven't heard many people talk about (actually 2 things): 1. Horf Father played in the NBA. I wonder how much that has influenced/helped him make the transition. Like all the Berry Kids and Mike Dunleavy Jr, Horf should have a natural BBIQ... 2. Horf is probably the most physical player that we have. When I watched Hawks games, they would always comment on how Al's father Tito played in the NBA. However, if you go to the games instead of watching them, you probably missed it. Al Horford is the most physical player we've had in a long time.

Quote: Quote: Perhaps you need to do more research. We were 17th in the league for Home 3pt% and 14th in the league away from home. Who deemed midranged shooting as not important, you ? Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Dwayne Wade, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Mike Redd, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Martin etc. all use the midrange game heavily. Like I said, all big time scorers barring bigs use the midrange game, because in today's game defenders are much better. Which means they can't always shoot the 3 or take the ball to the hoop. Enter the pull-up jumpshot. LeBron James is the only player I can think of who doesn't use the midrange game to score, and that's because hes an athletic freak of nature. 3pt % is not what's going to help keep the defenders off JJ. In fact, JJ is responsible for that 3pt%. INstead of insisting I research, I think you need to think about the research I have already given. We were 28 and 27 in 3PA and 3PM. That's horrible. What that says is that we don't consistently try to spread the floor. I don't consider the 3 pter to be the end all and be all, however, in the lack of a low post offensive scorer, we need to be able to do something from outside that can help our quasi low post scorers and our scoring Sg. When you don't shoot the three teams Compact the lane and they double scorers. Namely because they are not worried. That's why Smoove is always open on the three point line. Teams don't fear him out there. He sometimes have an eternity to shoot the three because that's what they want.. and his big shots are those threes that he hit when we need it. Bibby will help us with his three point shooting. Bibby has no conscience. However, the Sf Position has to shoot more than 10 3 pters. Whatever man. I like how you missed the whole point. The point is we are not one of the worse 3 pt shooting teams in the league. Just because we don't take a lot of 3s as a team doesn't mean you are bad at it. Our 3PT Made is going to be low because we don't attempt a lot of them, but when we do we are an average 3pt shooting team. That's like saying player A, who shot 100 3s and hit 40%, is a bad shooter because there are guys out there that took 250 3s and hit the same percentage.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: So because the guy realizes that he can consistently knock down the midrange J and he decides to only shoot from that range, you want to hold that against him? Please! Do you realize how good Smoove would be if he could shoot it like Marv from midrange but he stopped taking 3's? As for Magette and Wallace, they can't shoot from midrange OR 3 pt land. If we were not the worst three point shooting team in the game what you said would really have some meaning. However, Because we're the worst three point shooting team in the game and Marvin only attempted 10 3 pters on the season... and he plays a position that requires a guy to shoot three pointers... Uhm... your argument is kinda weak. Marvin needs to play beside a PF like Dirk or Okur. A guy who will shoot the three. Otherwise Trace.. all we will do will watch JJ get double and triple teamed. Don't overrate Midrange shooting. We are not the worst three point shooting team in the game. There are a few teams that are worse than us, and even if we were it's because players who have no business taking 3s are taking them. Marvin will continue to improve on his game, and I can easily see him as a 16-18 ppg with 6-8 reb. next year. I expect his assists to go up slightly as Woodson starts demanding Marvin score more. Also, midrange shooting is very important in this league. Name a big time scorer in this league (that's not a big) that can't hit midrange jumpshots consistently ? OH... You're right we are 28/30 in 3PTFGA... And 27/30 in 3PtFGM So we obviously don't have a problem shooting the threes. Back to reality. We do have a problem shooting the threes and MW can be efficient all he wants close to the goal.. all that does is Spacing wise, defensive players can easily play off him and double our shooters. Part of the reason why Sfs make themselves available on the three point line is that in it's third decade, NBA players determined that putting a Sf on the three point line spreads the floor and allows players to work inside better and outside players can shoot without a hand in their face. So what happens when Most teams have Sfs shooting 180 - 600 3 pters in a season and Marvin shows up with his 10... That puts a lot of pressure on the other players on this team to make up for that lack of spacing. So you have our PF (Smoove) hanging out shooting those shots he's not supposed to take. Lastly. Midrange Shooting was defined as NOT important a long time ago. When basketball players became better defensive players, the Midrange shooter's era was over. Big Dog was the last midrange shooter who was able to do something... and that's because he had a lot of physicality to his game. He could get his shot off while being hit. Can Marvin do that? The Midrange game was upgraded to either: 1. The three point threat. 2. The drive by. Go back into your basketball history and pull up Larry Bird and Scottie Pippen. They were the upgrade to the Sf position in this regard. Perhaps you need to do more research. We were 17th in the league for Home 3pt% and 14th in the league away from home. Who deemed midranged shooting as not important, you ? Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Dwayne Wade, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Mike Redd, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Martin etc. all use the midrange game heavily. Like I said, all big time scorers barring bigs use the midrange game, because in today's game defenders are much better. Which means they can't always shoot the 3 or take the ball to the hoop. Enter the pull-up jumpshot. LeBron James is the only player I can think of who doesn't use the midrange game to score, and that's because hes an athletic freak of nature.

Quote: Quote: I'm a big Horford fan, but that just isn't true. If we put Horford on the block, and they put Kaman on the block, I think the Clippers would get more back than we would. I would probably disagree here. You might be surprised after Horf's season. I'm thinking Kaman has probably hit the ceiling while Al is up, up, and away... Kaman is the rare 7-foot true center with a somewhat effective post game. He's a decent defender and a great rebounder. He's also a good shotblocker. I think that in and of itself makes him more valuable than Horford, who still had an excellent rookie year.

Quote: I try to avoid these arguments about Marvin because I feel there are two sides-those who vastly overrate Marvin and those who vastly underrate what he brings to the team. But I should chime in with a couple of points. First, I think Marvin's defense gets undervalued a bit. He can use his length to check smaller 3s and gets his hands on some balls at times. There's some stronger, bigger threes like Carmelo, Lebron, and Artest who Marvin will never be able to guard well. But he does work hard, and he is the second youngest player we have on the team. I can't rule out that he might actually get stronger and fill out more, which should let him play more physical. As it is, he does try hard and does a fairly decent job of keeping guys in front of him. He's average-to-slightly above average defensively. Secondly, I would definately rather have Marvin than Gerald Wallace. If you look at the breakdown on their shooting, Marvin shoots a higher percentage on the inside-although he is assisted more. Wallace's jumpshooting is attrocious by comparison, where MArvin is pretty good. Wallace gets fouled more, but he's not a good foul shooter at all. And Marvin isn't bad at drawing fouls, and he's a GREAT foul shooter. And Wallace isn't exactly helping his team when he takes threes. His shooting isn't good enough to warrant taking those. It looks like Wallace scores a ton more than Marvin, but he also plays a lot more minutes-when you account for that, it's much closer. And he's been in the league 6 years already and is going to be 26-Marvin has been in the league for 3 and will be 22. Given that choice, I'd take Marvin. But if we take Wallace and Felton, we could be the Showtime Lakers!

Quote: Quote: So because the guy realizes that he can consistently knock down the midrange J and he decides to only shoot from that range, you want to hold that against him? Please! Do you realize how good Smoove would be if he could shoot it like Marv from midrange but he stopped taking 3's? As for Magette and Wallace, they can't shoot from midrange OR 3 pt land. If we were not the worst three point shooting team in the game what you said would really have some meaning. However, Because we're the worst three point shooting team in the game and Marvin only attempted 10 3 pters on the season... and he plays a position that requires a guy to shoot three pointers... Uhm... your argument is kinda weak. Marvin needs to play beside a PF like Dirk or Okur. A guy who will shoot the three. Otherwise Trace.. all we will do will watch JJ get double and triple teamed. Don't overrate Midrange shooting. We are not the worst three point shooting team in the game. There are a few teams that are worse than us, and even if we were it's because players who have no business taking 3s are taking them. Marvin will continue to improve on his game, and I can easily see him as a 16-18 ppg with 6-8 reb. next year. I expect his assists to go up slightly as Woodson starts demanding Marvin score more. Also, midrange shooting is very important in this league. Name a big time scorer in this league (that's not a big) that can't hit midrange jumpshots consistently ?

Quote: Quote: Quote: I like Kamen but he does not have JSmith's range of impact. Clearly. Zaza is still very young, too young to dismiss. With a thin roster and Marvin's inevitable jettison, the pick will be needed. Then retain the pick. I'm not sure Livingston will pass any physical anyway. But ZaZa/JS for Kaman isn't much different. Nobody's drinking but the person who would rather have a Horford, ZaZa, JS frontline over Kaman, Horford, FA MLE Pf/C. W Walter, who the heck is "FA MLE Pf/C" ? Kamen is a nice piece, like a Dalembart where as Daly is a better defender and Kamen is at better scorer. But Curry can score, Frye can score, Gasol can score. But as well as Kamen, they are not "Elite". JSmith has a chance to be "Elite" and is a better commodity than Kamen Right Now. Heck, Al is a better commodity as a center than Kamen. I'd trade Marvin and Zaza for Kamen and a #2. But I wouldn't move Smith for him. I'm a big Horford fan, but that just isn't true. If we put Horford on the block, and they put Kaman on the block, I think the Clippers would get more back than we would.

Quote: BK could have made poorer picks EACH YEAR. The fact is that he DID NOT make the worst possible picks as you claim he did. Look at the guys who were picked closely to the picks that BK did make. In 2003 he could have gone with Zoran Planinic, Travis Outlaw, Brian Cook, Carlos Delfino, etc instead of Diaw who could have been the key to getting Joe Johnson. In 2004 he could have gone with Araujo, Jackson, Swift, Telfair instead of Childress or he could have gone with JR Smith or Jameer Nelson instead of Josh Smith. In 2005 he could have made the trade that MANY here wanted and ended up with a gimp Sean May and a PG who is already being replaced in Felton instead of taking Marvin who has gotten better every year. Or he could have drafted Channing Frye, Martell Webster, Charlie Villenueva, etc who are nowhere near the players that Marvin is. In 2006 he could have drafted your boys O'Bryant, Sene, Reddick, etc. and been MUCH WORSE off. In 2007 it sure seems like he made the best pick of anyone getting Horford when the major pressure was on to take Conley who may turn out to be a great PG or he could turn out to be the next bust of PG prospects. While I agree with everything else in this post, I would have taken my chances with O'Bryant or Sene before I drafted Shelden Williams. That is the one player he's drafted that probably doesn't have much of a future in the NBA.

Quote: 1 Boston 2 Detroit 3 Philly 4 Hawks 5 Wizards 6 Orlando 7 Heat 8 Toronto 1. Boston 2. Orlando 3. Detroit 4. Philly 5. Toronto 6. Cleveland 7. Hawks 8. Wizards

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: No, for me, the Babcock decision to trade Steve Smith for J.R. Rider was the most incredibly outrageously idiotic trade I think I've ever seen. Sturt, I tend to disagree with a lot of your opinions on the Hawks but I couldn't agree more with one of the most important ones. This is easily the worst decision our franchise has ever made. I remember after the trade was announced I made a post (I was on the Hawkee board on AOL at the time, don't laugh) about how it wasn't going to work. Why "rebuild" a yearly playoff team. I knew trades needed to be made as we were getting older but why make that trade the year Jordan retires? We finally had a shot at the east and we trade away our core for a cancer.?.? That forum got pretty heated around that time and I remember posting that a lot of our fans had become spoiled with our playoff runs every year and tried to remind them just how hard it really is to get there. Longest playoff draught in the NBA later I was wishing I still had AOL just so I could ask how they like their crow. I also saw JR at Lennox during that year (after several missed practices) and proceeded to ask what he was doing there. "Wow, JR Rider at the mall. Are you here steeling something or just skipping practice?" Needless to say we got into a bit of a low-level shouting match. What an *ss. Something I'll always remember. That's actually a very rude thing to come up to a grown man, and say. He didn't deserve to be approached like that no matter how much of a cancer he was. Really?.?. A "grown man" (skipping practices, showing up late for games, selling stolen cell-phones etc. etc. etc.) doesn't deserve to be called out on it? I had season tickets during that year so I feel pretty comfortable in what I said. The man was essentially robbing me and those of you that spent any money on Hawks tickets or merchandise while he was here. If a "grown man" can't take someone calling him out for being a loser then he's in the wrong business. Oh wait, I guess he couldn't. That's the problem with today's society...no accountability. Thanks for participating. J.R. Rider was a screw-up, that's no secret. Considering J.R. Rider never stole anything (or was never caught stealing anything I should say), you weren't "calling" him out by calling him a thief. You were just insulting him, which is probably why you guys ended up shouting at each other. You're not wrong for addressing him about practice, because that's business. However, just because he's a semi-famous athlete doesn't mean you could talk to him any kind of way. Hell, even if he was just a regular joe, it doesn't give you the right to flat-out insult him. That's all I'm saying.

Quote: Quote: Very athletic, yet very undersized. Unless we get a true center via trade, I see Horford as the best center the Hawks can get their hands on, although he's more of a pure PF. Smith is small at the 4 but there aren't many PFs in the game today that he can't defend adequately. The only way I see this frontcourt living up to its full potential is if the Hawks run the fast to let the frontcourt use, but even if Woody is not smart enough to get these guys on the break, I think Smith/Horford is solid. Not great, but solid. They'd be an absolutely fantastic combo at SF/PF imo. Without one of them developing a post offense and defense that can score 20 ppg and hold their defensive counterpart to 45% shooting... then the we can never be successful. Athleticism will only last so long.. then you must have skillset. Josh Smith could be a 20 ppg player, and Al Horford is a player that probably will be able to hold his opponent to 45%.

Quote: Atlanta out: Marvin Williams Mike Bibby GS out: Kelenna Azubuike 1st round pick ('09 or '10) GS in: Marvin Williams Mike Bibby Atlanta in: Kelenna Azubuike Make the offer to Emeka Okafor that he cannot refuse. Law/Speedy JJ/Azubuike JS/JC Horford/Solo Okafor/Zaza Wow. Much better than your other one. I like this trade, and would do it in a heartbeat.

Quote: Quote: You are ignorant ! You need a little understanding of the salsry cap and luxury tax before you call everyone names don't you think ? An embarrasment would be signing Jones to $4 mill starting contract which could take away our cap flexibility to match offers for Smoove and Chillz. Most importantly for Smoove. I think Sund and the ASG are playing their cards right to this point. LOL NO sh!t. If we had resigned the Joshes, we could've gone after these two FA's. Who said we were going after Pietrus? The NBA Rumors site did, and their guess is as good as anybody. Who said we were going after James Jones? Sekou's spies. This Joshes situation is an embarrassment--we should've locked them up last summer instead of wasting all these weeks letting FA's get away. We need to be PROactive, not REactive. K Thx GG Who knows how much money we would have had exactly after resigning the Josh's ? I don't think we would have had enough to sign 2 FAs anyways. If you didn't know, ASG tried to sign Smith to a contract last year. Besides, any smart business would wait to see what kind of offers we would get for them. As much as I hate to say this, so far ASG appears to be doing everything the right way, considering they can match anything another team offers. However, forget that. Your opinion is law. I think we need to start a petition to the ASG, demanding that they hire you as the GM or sell the team.

Quote: Quote: I really am surprised that Brand left the Clippers. He is a real good fit in Philly though. If Philly signs Lou and gets another shooter, they will move towards the top 4. Their defense is going to be ridiculous. I hope Brand gets injured again, that way we won't have to see him 4 times next year. You also got to take into account that players like Thad Young, Lou, and A.I. are going to be better next year.

Quote: Quote: Diop signed with Dallas last week, or agreed to sign that is. Perhaps Ratliff, Ely or Kwame? We can get any of those players without trading Mike Bibby or Marvin Williams. Raymond Felton is a terrible shooter, and definitely the last thing our team needs. He's not a PG, according to the old reports from Charlotte when they first announced that they weren't really satisfied with Felton as a player. On top of that, he's a very bad shooter all around. I don't think he'll do anything for our offense that Mike Bibby can't do or will he do anything on D that Acie can't do. While I would like to have Azu-whatever on our team, not at the expense of Mike Bibby or Marvin Williams, considering Marvin is significantly better and so is Bibby.

Quote: Quote: You would take James Jones' 8 points and 3 rebounds over Marvin's 15 and 6? Don't forget Jones' 91 three pointers made, 44% from 3, 22 mpg, and renowned defensive stopper. Yeah. If we played Jones Marvin's minutes, Jones would be an allstar. That is by far the biggest load of BS I've ever read on a basketball related blog/forum. Congratulations, you've earned it.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: 32% doesn't make you a threat. 32% is much better than 10%... with only 10 shots from outside. Think about that EazyRoc. How often do you think other teams worried about Marvin shooting a three? If they see Marvin on the 3 pt line, what do you think they thought? A. "Damn, I need to get over there... he's about to kill us with the three." B. "Maybe I need to stop doubling Joe Johnson because Marvin's open on the three." C. "Marvin's on the three point line... HA HA... Yeah Right!!" D. " Marvin's open for three... I wish he would shoot, we could use a rebound here!" However, Marvin can shoot from 18-20 foot consistently. I would be willing to bet that Marvin shoots a better 3pt % than Gerald Wallace next year, barring any major injuries from either player. No proof to really back that up, but I think Marvin has good form and with enough practice will be a good 3pt shooter. Well, Damn. Smoove COULD be the best PF in basketball if he developed his low post play and defense. Chillz COULD be the best 6th man in basketball if he changed the way he shoots. Acie COULD have been Rookie of the year if he didn't turn the ball over and shot better from outside. You're willing to bet that Marvin shoots a better 3pt % than Wallace next year. Let me introduce you to a simple thing called THE FACTS. The fact is... Over his career, he is 25 for 108 from 3.. (23%)... Do you know how pathetic that is? 3 years of playing basketball and Marvin has only attempted 108 3 pters. He's not going to magically get the confidence to be a three point shooter. He was a PF in college and he's lucky to be a midrange shooter now. He doesn't have it. Yet, Squawkers will complain day in and day out if a Sf who doesn't shoot 40% from three is proposed for this team. " That will be a terrible shooting team with ____________________" Well guess What. 23% Marvin is really helping our shooting right now huh? The 3pt shot isn't the only shot on the court. Marvin really does help our shooting right now without a 3pt shot. The thing with Gerald Wallace is he shoots a bad % on 3s and midrange. I'd rather a guy be a bad 3pt % and take 10, than be a bad one and take several. Our offense would be significantly worse without Marvin's midrange jumpshot, and that's a fact. That's a hole Gerald Wallace can't fill, and because he's such a bad 3pt shooter, I'd rather him not take 3s if he was on our team too. Who cares if he's 23% out of 108 3pts in his career ? Gerald Wallace is still the worse shooter and that's a fact. He won't get better, either. Atleast Marvin can still develop the range on his consistent jumpshot. Gerald Wallace shot a much better 3pt% than Marvin, and still was the worse shooter.

Quote: Quote: 32% doesn't make you a threat. 32% is much better than 10%... with only 10 shots from outside. Think about that EazyRoc. How often do you think other teams worried about Marvin shooting a three? If they see Marvin on the 3 pt line, what do you think they thought? A. "Damn, I need to get over there... he's about to kill us with the three." B. "Maybe I need to stop doubling Joe Johnson because Marvin's open on the three." C. "Marvin's on the three point line... HA HA... Yeah Right!!" D. " Marvin's open for three... I wish he would shoot, we could use a rebound here!" However, Marvin can shoot from 18-20 foot consistently. I would be willing to bet that Marvin shoots a better 3pt % than Gerald Wallace next year, barring any major injuries from either player. No proof to really back that up, but I think Marvin has good form and with enough practice will be a good 3pt shooter.

Quote: While I agree with most of your post, the point you are failing to realize is the key to many fast breaks is TO's. Secondly, outside of Johnson, who do we currently have that will shoot a 3 consistently? Bibby and .....err, that's really it since Salim is gone and never saw the floor anyways. We now have guys who will put up a 3pt. shot in Carroll, Wallace, Felton, and Wilkins. While their % isn't the greatest, they are a threat to shoot. Also remember that in 06'-07' when given significant playing time next to Ray Allen, Damien Wilkins shot 41% from 3pt. range. Felton's first two seasons, he shot better than the 28% he shot last year. Shooting % generally gets better when you get wide open looks. I'd day say playing alongside JJ will get Felton, Wallace, Wilkins, and Carroll alot of open looks. You can't tell me a player can't get better by playing in a system. Prime example is Al Harrington. He never did anything beyond the arc, but got to Golden State and played along with other great shooters and all of a sudden he's a deep threat that shoots with solid accuracy. Childress only pulled the trigger 60 times this past season from beyond the arc. Williams 10 times. Bibby and JJ took most of the 3's this team shot. I don't really want to mess with that duo, but I think our team at least maintains (if not improves on 3pt. shooting), offense, and gets better in transition, defense and a much deeper bench through these moves. I just don't see it working on offense, but I do think our defense would be much better. What if we keep Bibby and let him go at the end of the year ? Won't we have 14 mil to get a free agent ?

Quote: Here are the comparisons of FG% with our roster "as is" vs. the proposed roster I had Mike Bibby 41.1% FG 37.4%-3pt. Marvin Williams 46.2% 10%-3pt. Josh Chilldress 57.1% 36.7%-3pt. ZaZa Pachulia 43.7% Raymond Felton 41.4% FG 28%-3pt. Gerald Wallace 45% FG 32.1%-3pt. Matt Carroll 42.8% FG 43.6%-3pt. Chris Wilcox 52.4% FG Damien Wilkins 40.3% FG 32.3%-3pt. Kwame Brown 50.7% FG As far as starters go, you'd be gaining another threat to shoot from the outside in Wallace while only losing some of the accuracy from outside the arc from Bibby to Felton. I agree that would be a dramatic dropoff, but Felton's up-tempo style of running a team would be good for us. You also have to look at addition by subtraction. Would our defense not be better by replacing Bibby and Williams with Wallace and Felton? Would our big man rotation not be more solid with Smith, Horford, Brown and Wilcox over Smith, Horford, and Pachulia? 32% doesn't make you a threat. Our defense would be much better, no doubt. However, what makes offenses like Phoenix's and Golden State's so successful is that they got good PGs and a lot of shooters. Our offense would be worse, and when we force the transition we usually don't get a good shot or turn the ball over. We will miss that midrange shooter in the starting lineup that we had in Marvin Williams, when Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace, and Felton start chucking up 3s because everyone will play off them and double JJ. That was one of the big reasons we got Mike Bibby, not because he is some kind of distributor. We needed his skills as a good shooter, so people wouldn't double Joe as much.

Quote: Quote: Quote: I know it's hard to pull off deals with teams within your division, but here's my thoughts for what the Hawks should do this offseason.......... Re-Sign Josh Smith Sign Kwame Brown Trade Mike Bibby & Marvin Williams for Gerald Wallace, Matt Carroll, and Raymond Felton Sign & Trade Josh Childress and ZaZa Pachulia for Chris Wilcox and Damien Wilkins New Roster......... Felton Johnson Wallace Smith Horford Bench: Wilcox, Carroll, Law, Wilkins, Brown, Claxton, Jones This gives us a solid 10 man rotation as well as improves us defensively. Our bench has shooters to help us with bench scoring. Don't know if either of the trading partners would be interested in either of those deals, but these were some of my thoughts. Charlotte saves money this year and with Bibby coming off the books (Marvin also), they've got alot of $ freed up to either re-sign players or pursue others in FA. Seattle gets ZaZa's expiring deal and a young athletic wing in Childress to grow with both Durant and Green. We'd need a new goal every half because all the bricks our starting 5 would throw up. Whatever! Seriously. Raymond Felton is about as bad of a shooter as Josh Smith.

Quote: Marvin, Vince to Charlotte. Zaza, Jrich to NJ GWallace to Atlanta Just say no to Gerald Wallace. Jrich might bring us something our team actually needs.