What has me flabbergasted is that if those guys were considered elite the year that old boy played with them and you are comparing those years to what Trae and Murray are doing this year, then that would mean they are elite too. Or conversely, Harden and Paul were not elite those particular years either. Splitting hairs here, just trying to understand the logic. For the record I think Paul and Harden have elite skill sets and so do Trae and Dejounte.