Ranking the East . . . by player/position

[TheNorthCydeRises]

I saw what DJlaysitup typed earlier today. So I decided to look through the East, and rank the players as I see them.

My player rankings, especially by position, are based on where that guy played the most, not by what he actually is. For example, Jamison is a tweener 3/4, that plays like a 3. But in Washington's offense, he's the 4. So I rank him as a 4. Same with Jermaine O'Neal. He's a PF, but plays C more than PF, so I ranked him as a C.

I'm sure I'll get some flack for this. And I think I'm forgetting one or two good players that should at least be honorable mentions, if not in the top 10. I think I covered everybody though.

Center

1) D. Howard

2) S. O'Neal

3) J O'Neal

4) Okafor

5) B. Wallace

6) Curry

7) Dalembert

8) Mourning

9) Bogut

10) Kristic

( missed cut )

Ilgauskas

Pachulia

Haywood

Magloire

Power Forward

1) Garnett

2) Bosh

3) Jamison

4) J. Smith

5) Randolph

6) R. Wallace

7) Haslem

8) Gooden

9) Horford

10) Noah

( missed cut )

May

Murphy

E. Thomas

Ty Thomas

Small Forward

1) L. James

2) Pierce

3) Carter

4) G. Wallace

5) Butler

6) Deng

7) R. Lewis

8) Prince

9) Nocioni

10) M. Williams

( missed cut )

Childress

Granger

J. Graham

Gomes

2-guard

1) Wade

2) J. Johnson

3) R. Allen

4) Redd

5) Hamilton

5a) Gordon

7) Iguodala

8) Hughes

9) R. Jefferson

10) J. Richardson

( missed cut )

Stuckey

J. Crawford

A. Parker

Stevenson

Point Guard

1) Billups

2) Kidd

3) Arenas

4) Hinrich

5) Marbury

6) A. Miller

7) Nelson

8) Felton

9) Mo Williams

10) Law

( missed cut )

Calderon

Tinsley

J. Williams

Duhon

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Top 10 overall

1) L. James

2) Garnett

3) Wade

4) Pierce

5) J. Johnson

6) Bosh

7) Carter

8) R. Allen

9) Billups

10) D. Howard

( missed cut )

Redd

Kidd

Arenas

Shaq

I'm sure there will be some disagreements with this. I was tempted to put Shaq in the overall top 10, but I just couldn't do it. And Bosh probably deserves to be ahead of JJ.

[Swatguy]

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I saw what DJlaysitup typed earlier today. So I decided to look through the East, and rank the players as I see them.

My player rankings, especially by position, are based on where that guy played the most, not by what he actually is. For example, Jamison is a tweener 3/4, that plays like a 3. But in Washington's offense, he's the 4. So I rank him as a 4. Same with Jermaine O'Neal. He's a PF, but plays C more than PF, so I ranked him as a C.

I'm sure I'll get some flack for this. And I think I'm forgetting one or two good players that should at least be honorable mentions, if not in the top 10. I think I covered everybody though.

Center

1) D. Howard

2) S. O'Neal

3) J O'Neal

4) Okafor

5) B. Wallace

6) Curry

7) Dalembert

8) Mourning

9) Bogut

10) Kristic

( missed cut )

Ilgauskas

Pachulia

Haywood

Magloire

Power Forward

1) Garnett

2) Bosh

3) Jamison

4) J. Smith

5) Randolph

6) R. Wallace

7) Haslem

8) Gooden

9) Horford

10) Noah

( missed cut )

May

Murphy

E. Thomas

Ty Thomas

Small Forward

1) L. James

2) Pierce

3) Carter

4) G. Wallace

5) Butler

6) Deng

7) R. Lewis

8) Prince

9) Nocioni

10) M. Williams

( missed cut )

Childress

Granger

J. Graham

Gomes

2-guard

1) Wade

2) J. Johnson

3) R. Allen

4) Redd

5) Hamilton

5a) Gordon

7) Iguodala

8) Hughes

9) R. Jefferson

10) J. Richardson

( missed cut )

Stuckey

J. Crawford

A. Parker

Stevenson

Point Guard

1) Billups

2) Kidd

3) Arenas

4) Hinrich

5) Marbury

6) A. Miller

7) Nelson

8) Felton

9) Mo Williams

10) Law

( missed cut )

Calderon

Tinsley

J. Williams

Duhon

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Top 10 overall

1) L. James

2) Garnett

3) Wade

4) Pierce

5) J. Johnson

6) Bosh

7) Carter

8) R. Allen

9) Billups

10) D. Howard

( missed cut )

Redd

Kidd

Arenas

Shaq

I'm sure there will be some disagreements with this. I was tempted to put Shaq in the overall top 10, but I just couldn't do it. And Bosh probably deserves to be ahead of JJ.

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Gilbert without a doubt is the best point in the east. In fact he is the best point in the league.

Horford

Law

Marvin

cmon wait till they at least play significantly.

[Packfill]

Good list. More then anything that really shows that there is generally a giant chasm between the top 5 or so players at a given position and all the rest.

[AtLaS]

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Center

1) D. Howard

2) S. O'Neal

3) J O'Neal

4) Okafor

5) B. Wallace

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I'd move Jermaine and Okafor above Shaq until he proves he can stay healthy. Jermaine and Emeka aren't exactly ironmen but Shaq misses games for no reason most of the time. And when he plays, he only plays about 25 minutes or so.

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Small Forward

1) L. James

2) Pierce

3) Carter

4) G. Wallace

5) Butler

6) Deng

7) R. Lewis

8) Prince

9) Nocioni

10) M. Williams

( missed cut )

Childress

Granger

J. Graham

Gomes

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Based on last season, I don't see how Marvin is ahead of Granger or Childress.

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2-guard

1) Wade

2) J. Johnson

3) R. Allen

4) Redd

5) Hamilton

5a) Gordon

7) Iguodala

8) Hughes

9) R. Jefferson

10) J. Richardson

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My rankings for SG would be very different so here they are.

1. Wade

2. JJ

3. Ray Allen

4. Redd

5. Iggy

6. Hamilton

7. Gordon

8. Richardson

9. R. Jefferson

10. Hughes

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Point Guard

1) Billups

2) Kidd

3) Arenas

4) Hinrich

5) Marbury

6) A. Miller

7) Nelson

8) Felton

9) Mo Williams

10) Law

( missed cut )

Calderon

Tinsley

J. Williams

Duhon

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These are my rankings (You forgot TJ Ford).

1. Kidd

2. Arenas

3. Billups

4. Miller

5. Felton

6. Hinrich

7. TJ Ford

8. Marbury

9. Mo

10. Calderon

Jameer doesn't even belong on this list IMO.

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Top 10 overall

1) L. James

2) Garnett

3) Wade

4) Pierce

5) J. Johnson

6) Bosh

7) Carter

8) R. Allen

9) Billups

10) D. Howard

( missed cut )

Redd

Kidd

Arenas

Shaq

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I think you're really underrating Arenas,. I'd definitely put him in my top 10 and maybe Kidd as well. I'd move Dwight up slightly, and Bosh belongs ahead of JJ.

[pimp]

Center

1. D.Howard -best rerounder amoung east centers

2. Shaq

3. Okafor.... if healthy

4. J.O

5. B.Wallace

6. Curry

7. Mourning

8. Dalembert

9. Kristic

10. Bogut

11. Big Z

12. Mags

13. Shelden ....if he starts

14. Jeff Foster ..i like rebounders.

15. Zaza

Power foward

1. Kg

2. Bosh

3. Randolph like him or not...25 and 10 are great numbers.

4. Jamison

5. J.Smith and Rasheed Wallace (tie) Josh is getting better on offense, but Wallace is the better defender

6. David Lee

7. Gooden

8. Webber

9. Haslem

10.Charlie v

11. Horford

12. T.Murphy

13. T.Thomas

14. Anderson Varejao

15. May

Small Forward

1. LBJ

2. Paul Pierce ..clutch

3. Gerald Wallace. avg 21ppg after the allstar break

and the best the defender amoung sf in the east

4. R,Lewis

5. Deng

6. Vince Carter got exposed in the playoffs

7. C. Butler

8. T. Prince

9. A. Nocioni

10. Wally Szczerbiak .. 15ppg 41% on 3s

11. 10. Childress people say all he does is get layups and dunks.I say he should get credit for putting himself in postion to recieve all those layups and dunks

12. Danny Granger 14ppg 46fg% 38% 3pt%

13. Kyle Korver 14ppg 43% on 3pointers

14. Marvin Williams

15. Rueben Patterson

Shooting Guards

1. D.Wade

2 Redd...sorry folks...JJ takes over quarters & halves..Redd takes over entire games.Gets to the line.

3. JJ

4. R.Allen

5. Hamilton

6. Iggy

7. Gordan

8. R.Jefferson

9. J Rich

10. Jamal Crawford

11. Larry Hughes

12. Q RICH

13. A. Parker

14. is Reggie Miller coming back?

15. Matt Carroll

Point Guarda

1. Arena .. Clutch

2. Kidd... would be #1 if not for age and injuries

3. Billups

4. A. Miller

5. Hinrich

6 Tj Ford

7. J. Carlderon

8. Felton

9. Marbury

10. Mo Williams

11 Law IV

12.Nelson

13 lue

14. speedy

15. Aj.

top 10

1. James

2. Wade

3 Kg

4. Arenas

5. Pierce

6. Redd

7. JJ

8. D Howard

9. Bosh

10 Kidd

11. Allen

12. Billups

13 Shaq

14. Okafor

15 G. Wallace

[jerrywest]

The rookies don't belong there.

The interesting part is Zaza/Shelden/Horford give us a 48 minutes center that at least half of the team wish they had.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

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TJ Ford. I knew I was missing somebody.

When I was doing this, I was listing all of the good PGs that could be considered in the top 10, then rearranging them in order. Ford was on that list, but I guess I deleted his name in the shuffle, and just forgot about him.

Ford would definitely be in the top 6 or 7, with Acie dropping out of the top 10.

I also forgot about David Lee in that PF list. Lee would definitely have to be somewhere in the bottom half of the top 10.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

. . or just himself?

Gilbert is a machine gunner. Switch out Kidd or Billups for Arenas on that Washington team, and the Wiz are definitely better off.

When KOBE of all people says that you take a lot of bad shots, you really must be a gunner.

When I watch Gilbert sometimes, I'm thinking I'm watching that old Nintendo game "Double Dribble". Us "old heads" remember that game. You just go down and just shoot from anywhere. Forget setting up a play or trying to get a good shot. As soon as you cross 1/2 court, just chuck it up. That's Gilbert in a nutshell.

Plus, he showed me all I needed to see last summer, when he couldn't even beat out Hinrich for one of those spots on the USA team. He played horrible in those exhibition games, then had the nerve to get mad at Coach K for not picking him up?

Given the choice of Billups, Kidd, or Arenas to be the Hawks PG, there's NO WAY IN HELL I'm taking Gilbert.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

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The rookies don't belong there.

The interesting part is Zaza/Shelden/Horford give us a 48 minutes center that at least half of the team wish they had.

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Do they don't belong there because they haven't played an NBA game yet? Or do they not belong because you don't think that when they'll start playing, that they'll be in the top 10 at their respective positions in the East?

Just want to see where you're coming from on this.

[Traceman]

My rankings take into consideration what a player did last year but the rankings are based on what I think the player will do THIS year (including what position they will play THIS year).

Center

1) Howard

2) Okafor

3) J. O'Neal

4) Curry

5) S. O'Neal

6) Bogut

7) Krstic

8) B. Wallace

9) Ilgauskas

10) Horford

( missed cut )

Z. Pachulia

A. Mourning

J. Magloire

Power Forward

1) Garnett

2) Bosh

3) Randolph

4) J. Smoove

5) Jamison

6) Lee

7) R. Wallace

8) Gooden

9) Haslem

10) S. Williams

( missed cut )

May

Murphy

Small Forward

1) James

2) Pierce

3) Deng

4) Butler

5) G. Wallace

6) R. Lewis

7) Prince

8) M. Williams

9) Granger

10) Childress

( missed cut )

Nocioni

J. Graham

Shooting Guard

1) Wade

2) Carter

2) J. Johnson

3) R. Allen

4) Redd

5) Iguodala

6) Hamilton

7) Richardson

8) Gordon

9) Crawford

10) A. Parker

( missed cut )

Hughes

Stevenson

Point Guard

1) Arenas

2) Kidd

3) Billups

4) Hinrich

5) M. Williams

6) A. Miller

7) Ford

8) Felton

9) Marbury

10) Law

( missed cut )

Calderon

Tinsley

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Top 10 overall

1) L. James

2) Wade

3) Garnett

4) Bosh

5) Arenas

6) D. Howard

7) Carter

8) Kidd

9) Pierce

10) J. Johnson

( missed cut )

Redd

Allen

Billups

Okafor

Shaq

[AtLaS]

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Does Arenas make a team better . . or just himself?

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Considering the Wizards didn't make the playoffs for about 10 years, and they've made them 3 straight seasons after the first year of his arrival, I'd say he's definitely contributing to winning basketball. They lost Hughes (who was an All-Star for WAS), but have still maintained playoff status. He can be a chucker sometimes, but without him there's no way they'd be a playoff team IMO.

[Traceman]

I LOVE J Kidd and I'd take him over Arenas when J Kidd was in his prime but right now, Arenas is simply a better ball player. From an efficiency standpoint, the only players better than Gil in the entire EC are LeBron, D Wade and CB4. Throw in the fact that he has led the once lowly Wizards to the playoffs every year he has been there and I think it is CLEAR that he is more than just a chucker.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

He's definitely contributing to winning basketball. Don't get me wrong, I don't totally disregard his game. When he's on, he's a very, very good player. It's just hard to really respect his overall game, when he's just shooting all the time.

When you look at his game log from last season you'll see just how hot and cold this guy runs. I mean, when he's off . . he's really off.

To me, he's a less talented version of Iverson, that is even more selfish than he is. I say that because at least Iverson ( in Philly ) and Kobe can use the excuse that they only have one other good player playing with him. ARenas has 2 all-star caliber players in Caron and Antwan playing with him.

The Hawks, with a trio of JJ, Caron, and Antwan, would definitely be East contenders, with JJ probably equaling Arenas' assist numbers from the 2-guard spot.

[jerrywest]

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The rookies don't belong there.

The interesting part is Zaza/Shelden/Horford give us a 48 minutes center that at least half of the team wish they had.

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Do they don't belong there because they haven't played an NBA game yet? Or do they not belong because you don't think that when they'll start playing, that they'll be in the top 10 at their respective positions in the East?

Just want to see where you're coming from on this.

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We have seen plenty of NCAA studs stink it up in the NBA. I'd like to see them perform before I put them in any top 10 list. Surely they have top 10, even top 5 potential.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

OK . . fair enough. But I'm sure people are already putting Greg Oden in their top 5 - 10 centers in the NBA list. But you're right. There have been plenty of college superstars that have failed as soon as they stepped on an NBA court.

I'm glad we got 2 guys who I think should have very little problem transitioning their game to the NBA style of play.

[shug94]

If I had to make a team right now, starting five and one backup per position, from the pool of players currently playing in the East, here is my list:

Starters:

PG - Arenas

SG - Joe Johnson

SF - LeBron James

PF - Kevin Garnett

C - Dwight Howard

Backups:

PG - Hinrich

SG - Michael Redd

SF - Luol Deng

PF - Antwan Jamison

C - Jermaine O'Neal

[TheNorthCydeRises]

I didn't know there were so many Arenas fans in the world. That cat didn't make the USA team cut last year because of his decision making, lack of consistent shooting, and most of all . . his defense.

He let Paul and Hinrich beat him out. That's sad to me.

The best thing about Arenas' game to me, is his ability to get to the FT line. Even when he's having one of those 0-9 3FG, 3-18 FG nights . . he can still go 12-15 from the FT line. That helps keep his scoring average high and makes him an efficient player. LOL . . but even when he gets to the FT line, he's missing a shot.

I like scoring PGs. Not machine gun ones.

[pimp]

I'm not really a Arenas fan, but he was hitting game winners left and right last year.And , to be fair Team USA tried to change his game.They wanted him to be a Steve Kerr type, and that just not who he is.

[prolific25]

Point guards

1.Kidd

2.Arenas

3.Billups

4.Hinrich

5.Miller

6.Ford

7.Marbury

8.Calderon

9.Felton

10. Mo Williams

2 guards

1.Wade

2.Vince

3.Joe

4.Redd

5.Allen

6.Gordon

7.Hamilton

8.Iguodala

9.Richardson

10.Parker

Small Forwards

1.Lebron

2.Pierce

3.Butler

4.Deng

5.Wallace

6.Prince

7.Lewis

8.Jefferson

9.Chillz

10.Nocioni

Power Forwards

1.KG

2.Bosh

3.Jermaine

4.Randolph

5.Rasheed

6.Smoove

7.Jamison

8.David Lee

9.Gooden

10.Horford

Centers

1.Dwight

2.Shaq

3.Okafor

4.Wallace

5.Curry(the rest are useless IMO)