Golden State interested in Marvin?

[ag82]

Money and he would probably sign an extension as well.

Those are assumptions, not explanations.

[Joker]

Chandler is about to enter his second year of a 5 year $37 million contract (not sure abt incentives)Marvin is about to enter his fourth year of a 5 year $37.5 million contract with incentives for about $5 million more if hit

Marvin: 8.5, and 7 next. He can opt out next year.Chandler contract:http://www.spotrac.com/nba/denver-nuggets/wilson-chandler/

[MrMeltdown]

With Budinger going for #18 and Wallace going for #6. Marvin/23 for #7 doesn't surprise me at all.Why trade Zaza? Naw, leave Zaza out of this one.Smoove real value in this draft is #1 overall. Since that's not happening. Forget it.

Trading Zaza and Marvin to get Biedrins and Drummond is a no brainer.

[AHF]

Hell, we can get a 7 pick for Marvin and you fools wanted a bench player(Martin) and a mid first for Josh. See, you all would be fired with me in charged. FIRED!The precedence has been set. Scouts don't like this draft that much outside of the Davis.

We can't get a 7 pick for Marvin. If we can we will and I will apologize, but you are out of your mind if you think GS will trade the #7 pick for Marvin. Marvin is $2.4M more expensive than Chandler this season and has been marginalized by his own team to the point where his scoring is 2/3 of what Chandler has done in their last full seasons. Anyone who thinks the Wallace trade is a precedent that indicates likely value needed to acquire top 6 lottery picks is as challenged as the NJ GM who bizarrely made the dumbest trade of the decade.Danny Ferry is smart enough to try to get a Wallace type deal, and smart enough not to base his strategy around it. Edited June 27, 2012 by AHF

[Mutombolievable]

Trading Zaza and Marvin to get Biedrins and Drummond is a no brainer.

Disagree

[Joker]

Chandler is paid less than 75% of what Marvin is.Chandler's 2012/13 salary is $5.9MMarvin's 2012/13 salary is $8.3MChandler sat out almost the entire season so of course Marvin had the bigger year. In the full seasons they have played, they have been very similar statistically on a per minute basis but Marvin's role with the team has declined every year to his 10 ppg level. Chandler has averaged 15 ppg the last two full seasons so I doubt GM's have forgotten that. Chandler is also younger.It is a good bet that there are GMs that value Chandler more.

Marvin is much better all around and is longer and taller.This is what GM's think. Chandler isn't even in the top 100. Just cause Atlanta plays bad offense which hurts Marvin clearly doesn't mean GM's don't like him.http://www.charlotte...00-players.html

Those are assumptions, not explanations.

It's that simple. Just like you are giving hypotheticals. Edited June 27, 2012 by Joker

[NineOhTheRino]

1 word and a punctuation: Why?

[Joker]

We can't get a 7 pick for Marvin. If we can we will and I will apologize, but you are out of your mind if you think GS will trade the #7 pick for Marvin. Marvin is $2.4M more expensive than Chandler this season and has been marginalized by his own team to the point where his scoring is 2/3 of what Chandler has done in their last full seasons. Anyone who thinks the Wallace trade is a precedent that indicates likely value needed to acquire top 6 lottery picks is as challenged as the NJ GM who bizarrely made the dumbest trade of the decade.Danny Ferry is smart enough to try to get a Wallace type deal, and smart enough not to base his strategy around it.

Wallace for 6 pickBudinger for 18 pick.Just saying. It's makes sense. Marvin can score score a lot more if Atlanta ran a real offense and Marvin is one of the rare all around SF's in the NBA.Marvin is only 800k more this year and will make 400K less next year than Chandler.Golden State needs a spot up specialist who can defend. Last I checked, there aren't that many out there.

[Joker]

Marvin for 7 pick is a solid offer given the precedence that has been set.

[AHF]

Marvin is much better all around and is longer and taller.This is what GM's think. Chandler isn't even in the top 100. Just cause Atlanta plays bad offense which hurts Marvin clearly doesn't mean GM's don't like him.http://www.charlotte...00-players.html

LMAOSo according to you teams will give up the following players for Marvin Williams?Ricky RubioSerge IbakaDanilo GallinariTy LawsonPaul MillsapNicholas BatumIn fact, you have persuaded me. We will absolutely acquire Rubio for Marvin this offseason. Say hello to Rubio to HorfordNo, no, wait...."PRECENDENT HAS BEEN SET" and since Marvin is valued higher than Rubio by "GMs" then we should get Rubio and another asset.I'm not doing the deal unless we get Rubio and a future first rounder to make up for the fact that we are losing the better player.That sounds about right for the kind of keen trade analysis we are seeing on this thread.

[AHF]

Marvin is only 800k more this year and will make 400K less next year than Chandler.

Is this the joke part of your username?

Marvin 2012/13 salary: $8.3M

Chandler 2012/13 salary: $5.9M

$8.3M

-$5.9M

---------

$2.4M

$2.4M > $.8M

It is like the economics in these situations are just being totally ignored.

Edited June 27, 2012 by AHF

[Joker]

LMAOSo according to you teams will give up the following players for Marvin Williams?Ricky RubioSerge IbakaDanilo GallinariTy LawsonPaul MillsapNicholas BatumIn fact, you have persuaded me. We will absolutely acquire Rubio for Marvin this offseason. Say hello to Rubio to HorfordNo, no, wait...."PRECENDENT HAS BEEN SET" and since Marvin is valued higher than Rubio by "GMs" then we should get Rubio and another asset.I'm not doing the deal unless we get Rubio and a future first rounder to make up for the fact that we are losing the better player.That sounds about right for the kind of keen trade analysis we are seeing on this thread.

Two former GM's created that list, not me. Edited June 27, 2012 by Joker

[AHF]

Two former GM's created that list, not me.

So you agree that the list's valuation of Marvin is way off base but you cite to it as authority?I see a dumb list and I ignore it.When a list says that GMs value Kevin Garnett more than Blake Griffin, I laugh a little and then move on with my life. I don't start pretending like it is meaningful for trade analysis.You know better than that.

[MrMeltdown]

Disagree

Zaza nor Marvin are franchise changing players and Biedrins is not a franchise killing contract.

[MaceCase]

Chandler is paid less than 75% of what Marvin is.

Chandler's 2012/13 salary is $5.9M

Marvin's 2012/13 salary is $8.3M

Chandler sat out almost the entire season so of course Marvin had the bigger year. In the full seasons they have played, they have been very similar statistically on a per minute basis but Marvin's role with the team has declined every year to his 10 ppg level. Chandler has averaged 15 ppg the last two full seasons so I doubt GM's have forgotten that. Chandler is also younger.

It is a good bet that there are GMs that value Chandler more.

Chandler has 6 million in deferred compensation which from my understanding is treated similar to a signing bonus and will be stretched over the remaining 4 years of his deal. That equates his salary out to 7.4 mill owed per year compared to Marvin's 8.3 next season (it could actually put his salary higher if it's counted over only his guaranteed years). He is only a year younger than Marvin (May '87 to June '86) and achieved his vaunted 15ppg in D'Antoni's high pace system and then Karl's where he also operated as a primary scorer. His advanced statistics also put him firmly behind Marvin and if it's a matter of team role dropping Marv's raw production to 10ppg why would a GM looking to acquire him into a different situation hold that particularly against him?

It's all a matter of perception. Marvin was #2 overall so he's a bust, Chandler was #23 overall so he's an overachiever. Put em side by side and they are the same player but somehow one is getting valued over the other?

[Joker]

Is this the joke part of your username?Marvin 2012/13 salary: $8.3MChandler 2012/13 salary: $5.9M$8.3M-$5.9M---------$2.4M$2.4M > $.8MIt is like the economics in these situations are just being totally ignored.

http://www.spotrac.c...ilson-chandler/Marvin- 8.2/7.5mil800K and 100K, my math was wrong but your math is that jpeg in your sig.Chandler 7,400,000 7,400,000 Edited June 27, 2012 by Joker

[Joker]

Chandler has 6 million in deferred compensation which from my understanding is treated similar to a signing bonus and will be stretched over the remaining 4 years of his deal. That equates his salary out to 7.4 mill owed per year compared to Marvin's 8.3 next season (it could actually put his salary higher if it's counted over only his guaranteed years). He is only a year younger than Marvin (May '87 to June '86) and achieved his vaunted 15ppg in D'Antoni's high pace system and then Karl's where he also operated as a primary scorer. His advanced statistics also put him firmly behind Marvin and if it's a matter of team role dropping Marv's raw production to 10ppg why would a GM looking to acquire him into a different situation hold that particularly against him?

It's all a matter of perception. Marvin was #2 overall so he's a bust, Chandler was #23 overall so he's an overachiever. Put em side by side and they are the same player but somehow one is getting valued over the other?

GM's don't give a damn about perceptions. They just want to know can you do this role and how do you fit, what's your contract, and what not. AHF is letting his emotions get to him again.

[AHF]

http://www.spotrac.c...ilson-chandler/Marvin- 8.2/7.5mil800K and 100K, my math was wrong but your math is that jpeg in your sig.Chandler 7,400,000 7,400,000

I'll take back some of the sarcasm because we have different values on this one:http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/nuggets.jspThose salaries are close enough that I will agree that Marvin and Chandler are in the same range with Chandler only younger and $1M cheaper this year.If the Nuggets can get a #7 pick for him alone, and I seriously doubt they can, then they should snatch that up.If Atlanta can give up Marvin and the #23 pick for the #7, then that is a steal.I would not want to add either Chandler or Marvin to my team.

[AHF]

Chandler has 6 million in deferred compensation which from my understanding is treated similar to a signing bonus and will be stretched over the remaining 4 years of his deal.

A bonus is paid up front and then stretched over the deal for cap purposes. Are you talking about something similar here or is there a $6M payment not yet made that is going to be paid at a later point in time (defered compensation)?

[Joker]

I'll take back some of the sarcasm because we have different values on this one:http://www.shamsport...ies/nuggets.jspThose salaries are close enough that I will agree that Marvin and Chandler are in the same range with Chandler only younger and $1M cheaper this year.If the Nuggets can get a #7 pick for him alone, and I seriously doubt they can, then they should snatch that up.If Atlanta can give up Marvin and the #23 pick for the #7, then that is a steal.I would not want to add either Chandler or Marvin to my team.

Naw, didn't you just call me out on my math. You better get three sources my friend if you going to call me out.Marvin is 26 and Chandler is 25. That isn't much of a difference at all.

I would not want to add either Chandler or Marvin to my team.

Well GS ain't you.