Dirk is willing to take pay cut in hope for Paul or Howard

[JTB]

Wasnt sure if anybody saw this: http://m.basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/227687/dirk-prepared-to-take-paycut-in-2014-hopeful-on-howard-or-paul How does this effect the hawks hopes of grabbing both Howard and Paul?

[JETSET]

I think this was already known. They would still have to take a major pay cut in their first year though.

It just comes down to if they would rather play with a 36 year old 7 ftr who has elite offensive skills but provides next to nothing on defense or play with a young well-rounded offensive player who has elite defensive skills.

How many more years can Dirk play before that large frame of his has had enough?

[Guest]

He is talking about taking a paycut after his current contract ends.He is locked into next seasons deal at 22 million. He will probably sign a 3yr/10mil deal similar to KG and TD to stay with Mavs. That's the paycut he is talking about, at 34 I can see why.

[Guest]

I think this was already known. They would still have to take a major pay cut in their first year though. It just comes down to if they would rather play with a 36 year old 7 ftr who has elite offensive skills but provides next to nothing on defense or play with a young well-rounded offensive player who has elite defensive skills. How many more years can Dirk play before that large frame of his has had enough?

Dirk does no rely on athethicism to play effective ball. Having somebody do the dirty work will prolong his career. Look at what TD (37) n KG (36) are doing. Dirk is 34.

[JTB]

That does not free up any cap space for this offseason, so I do not see the point of this. It is just buzzwords that people do not know how to use, just like EXPIRINGS and CAP-FILLER. Maybe I should FRONTLOAD this reply?

I was just trying to make sure it didnt effect the hawks. Wasnt getting worried or anything.

[JETSET]

That does not free up any cap space for this offseason, so I do not see the point of this. It is just buzzwords that people do not know how to use, just like EXPIRINGS and CAP-FILLER. Maybe I should FRONTLOAD this reply?

What is the rule on that? Are you not allowed to sign max players if it puts you over the cap?

[GameTime]

Other teams can just guarantee what they will do NEXT year. We can guarantee a contender this YEAR. CP3/Dwight/Horf.

And the Mavs/Rockets can't get both.

[Jody23]

In any case, this off season, they could only sign one of the two and not BOTH like our Hawks can. Not hating, but if either of those guys wants to win right away, signing with Dallas won't be a good choice imo.

[JETSET]

Can someone explain why they can't sign both? or give me a link that explains signing free agents and staying under the cap?

[Jody23]

Other teams can just guarantee what they will do NEXT year. We can guarantee a contender this YEAR. CP3/Dwight/Horf. And the Mavs/Rockets can't get both.

And really they couldn't guarantee anything past this year since the free agent landscape could change by then. If they really want to ensure they'll play together on a contending team, Atlanta can make it reality.

[red2play]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-wholl-have-salary-cap-space-in-2013/print/

Atlanta Hawks – $18.483 million in salary commitments

The Hawks are set up to be massive cap players in July. They will have to work out the contract situations with Jeff Teague and Josh Smith, but beyond those two almost everyone else is expendable, giving the Hawks what could be as much as $30 million to spend depending on how they manage their rookie scale contracts and pending free agents. New Hawks GM Danny Ferry has been preaching that his moves this summer were about positioning for July of 2013, so it is safe to say the Hawks plan to be aggressive and they should have ample money to pull it off

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Dallas Mavericks ($27.898 million in commitments),

Max deals are like 20+ mil a yr and with the cap being 60mil, after you sign draft picks/minor FA the cap is like 52 mil, so Dallas would have to free up at least 7-8 mil to get both (not happening). Add that you would only have CP3 and Dwight and DNow. You still need other pieces like a Jamal Crawford, etc. Therefore, going to Dallas would have to take at least a 4-6 mil pay cut each (Not happening).

Edited May 15, 2013 by red2play

[benhillboy]

Sounds like a slap in the face to Mike James and Chris Kaman.

[AHF]

Wow. This is major news. A guy earning $23M per year ($22.7M next season), is willing to cut his pay after next year following a season in which he was tied for #71 in the league in wins added? (BBReference is down now for win shares but the ESPN EWA metric lists Dirk's impact as having been below Jamal Crawford and Grievas Vasquez and right above Amir Johnson and Nate Robinson).

Dirk is heading towards a salary price down regardless of whether a superstar signs on.

[AHF]

What is the rule on that? Are you not allowed to sign max players if it puts you over the cap?

Here is the simple version.

Teams need to roster 13 players. To sign free agents above the mid-level exception, you need to have room under the salary cap (different than the luxury tax line) to do so.

To determine a team's cap room, you look at who is already under contract for next year along with any cap holds (players with expiring contracts have cap holds, etc.) for players they aren't going to renounce.

So for the Hawks, you calculate their maximum cap room by looking at the salary commitments to Horford, Lou and Jenkins and the cap holds for guys like Josh Smith (sizable) and Mike Scott (small). You add the cap holds for any players the Hawks won't renounce (they can't S&T Josh if they renounce him, for example) and add cap holds for the empty roster spots (salaries + cap holds for players + cap holds for empty roster spots needs to = 13). In most cases where media members properly calculate maximum cap rooms for teams, they are assuming that the players under contract count and that the team renounces everyone they aren't already committed to (so for the Hawks that is Horf, Lou, Jenkins, and 10 minimum salary cap holds). After the draft, the Hawks will have 2 additional 1st round salaries eating cap room (unless they unload one or more picks or use them on guys staying overseas).

Read Larry Coon's FAQ to get a grounding in this.

[JTB]

Here is the simple version. Teams need to roster 13 players. To sign free agents above the mid-level exception, you need to have room under the salary cap (different than the luxury tax line) to do so. To determine a team's cap room, you look at who is already under contract for next year along with any cap holds (players with expiring contracts have cap holds, etc.) for players they aren't going to renounce. So for the Hawks, you calculate their maximum cap room by looking at the salary commitments to Horford, Lou and Jenkins and the cap holds for guys like Josh Smith (sizable) and Mike Scott (small). You add the cap holds for any players the Hawks won't renounce (they can't S&T Josh if they renounce him, for example) and add cap holds for the empty roster spots (salaries + cap holds for players + cap holds for empty roster spots needs to = 13). In most cases where media members properly calculate maximum cap rooms for teams, they are assuming that the players under contract count and that the team renounces everyone they aren't already committed to (so for the Hawks that is Horf, Lou, Jenkins, and 10 minimum salary cap holds). After the draft, the Hawks will have 2 additional 1st round salaries eating cap room (unless they unload one or more picks or use them on guys staying overseas). Read Larry Coon's FAQ to get a grounding in this.

Question In the nba can you not reconstruct a contract like you can in the NFL?.... The eagles freed up money this offseason by reconstructing mike Vicks 100 million dollar contract. Can you not do this in the nba?

[Jody23]

Question In the nba can you not reconstruct a contract like you can in the NFL?.... The eagles freed up money this offseason by reconstructing mike Vicks 100 million dollar contract. Can you not do this in the nba?

No.

[AHF]

QuestionIn the nba can you not reconstruct a contract like you can in the NFL?.... The eagles freed up money this offseason by reconstructing mike Vicks 100 million dollar contract. Can you not do this in the nba?

You cannot restructure guaranteed contracts. In the NFL, very few contracts are guaranteed (most have a small % that is guaranteed) and players are free to restructure their deals. In the NBA, almost all contracts are guaranteed and you cannot restructure them.

[Buzzard]

This is news like telling me JJ was traded. Its old news. Dallas is in a position to sign one max player, they got there last season and the season before with all Cubans moves and non moves. His other agenda was obvious as well though not one he readily admits. Mavs have been the luxury tax gluttens for years on end. That 20 million avg turns into 60 million in tax very quickly under the new CBA.

Cuban the biggest tax offender and naysayer of the new tax laws is also the same big spending owner who got his butt in line first not to pay that big fine. His wallet may be open as he says, but only up to the 60 mill cap mark. Not his usual 80 as in years past.

[MaceCase]

Cuban isn't afraid of the tax penalties of the new CBA, he's afraid of the rules that limit tax teams from further spending and improving their team. Being unable to receive sign and traded players, having more stringent parameters on overall trades and then smaller exceptions are more restrictive to billionaires than having to shell out more millions from the millions of profit they are making off their teams.

[Buzzard]

Cuban isn't afraid of the tax penalties of the new CBA, he's afraid of the rules that limit tax teams from further spending and improving their team. Being unable to receive sign and traded players, having more stringent parameters on overall trades and then smaller exceptions are more restrictive to billionaires than having to shell out more millions from the millions of profit they are making off their teams.

So why did he not resign his one championship team and just pay the penalties for the extended contracts of JT, Kidd, Chandler? I know you think you can read his mind, but cutting cap is cutting cap. Especially when it involves a championship team.

Cuban will never say exactly what he thinks. Its how he got to where he is. He cut cap and he will not be in the penalty in 2013/14. I choose to believe in what he does a lot more than what he says.