Guest Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) Chris Vivlamore: Hawks GM Danny Ferry, coach Mike Budenholzer and basketball ops' Andy Birdsong were in Spain to watch Lucas Nogueira Wednesday. #ATLHawks Twitter @ajchawks Atlanta Hawks, Free Agency, Danny Ferry, Lucas Nogueira, Spain, Mike Budenholzer - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.oOtu1tdm.dpuf That should say 'In Spain' Edited May 22, 2014 by JayBirdHawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebert Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Estudiantes played vs Barcelona. I watched just the end of that game but didn't pay attention a lot since it was clearly won by Barcelona. If all the stuff about Asik are right, maybe they were also paying attention to Papanikolaou. Houston has his rights and is a good player, a Demarre Carroll type of player... Maybe they would have liked to watch Hezonja play (great prospect for the 2015 draft), but he didn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimeyKidd Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Bud said he is impressed with bebes progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMeltdown Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Hopefully they are there only for Bebe and not searching for ways to blow more picks on overrated foreigners who will most likely never translate to the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperXX79 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 overrated foreigners. This just comes across as bigotry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Vol4ever Posted May 23, 2014 Premium Member Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 This just comes across as bigotry. What? Bigotry? Are your serious? That's just a dumb comment period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMeltdown Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Please there are facts that show that foreign players are not living up to there hype in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High5 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Please there are facts that show that foreign players are not living up to there hype in the league. 6 of the top 9 players on the team crushing the daunting Western Conference right now are foreign players. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I luv dem fariners!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Please there are facts that show that foreign players are not living up to there hype in the league. Show your work? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag82 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) Please there are facts that show that foreign players are not living up to there hype in the league. And all of the Americans in the league are living up to their hype, right? A more accurate comment would be "Most players don't live up to their hype." Edited May 23, 2014 by ag82 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMeltdown Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) Show your work? Evan Fournier Jonas Valanciunas Jan Vesely Bismack Biyombo Donatas Motiejunas Nikola Mirotic Kevin Seraphin Ricky Rubio Victor Claver Omri Casspi Rodrigue Beaubois Christian Eyenga Danilo Gallinari Alexis Ajinca Serge Ibaka Nicolas Batum Yi Jianlian Marco Belinelli Rudy Fernandez Andrea Bargnani Mouhamed Sene Thabo Sefolosha Oleksiy Pecherov Sergio Rodriguez Joel Freeland That is a list of the last 25 Foreign Players selected in the 1st round excluding the rookie class. This list goes back to 2006. http://www.nba.com/h...ry/draft/index/ There is not a single all-star appearance amongst these guys. Edited May 23, 2014 by MrMeltdown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Evan Fournier Jonas Valanciunas Jan Vesely Bismack Biyombo Donatas Motiejunas Nikola Mirotic Kevin Seraphin Ricky Rubio Victor Claver Omri Casspi Rodrigue Beaubois Christian Eyenga Danilo Gallinari Alexis Ajinca Serge Ibaka Nicolas Batum Yi Jianlian Marco Belinelli Rudy Fernandez Andrea Bargnani Mouhamed Sene Thabo Sefolosha Oleksiy Pecherov Sergio Rodriguez Joel Freeland That is a list of the last 25 Foreign Players selected in the 1st round excluding the rookie class. This list goes back to 2006. http://www.nba.com/h...ry/draft/index/ There is not a single all-star appearance amongst these guys. What's the draft position of each of these players? I would bet you there's a higher percentage among these guys who are actually contributing on NBA teams than a list of the domestic players drafted over the same time period. And I don't know about you but I am betting OKC wishes they had Ibaka back right about now, the guy who's led the NBA in blocks the past 3 years. They've got Thabo playing important minutes for them and he's been a very solid player in the league. Bellinelli has balled out for the Spurs this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Evan Fournier Jonas Valanciunas Jan Vesely Bismack Biyombo Donatas Motiejunas Nikola Mirotic Kevin Seraphin Ricky Rubio Victor Claver Omri Casspi Rodrigue Beaubois Christian Eyenga Danilo Gallinari Alexis Ajinca Serge Ibaka Nicolas Batum Yi Jianlian Marco Belinelli Rudy Fernandez Andrea Bargnani Mouhamed Sene Thabo Sefolosha Oleksiy Pecherov Sergio Rodriguez Joel Freeland That is a list of the last 25 Foreign Players selected in the 1st round excluding the rookie class. This list goes back to 2006. http://www.nba.com/h...ry/draft/index/ There is not a single all-star appearance amongst these guys. Maybe no all stars but I sure as hell see some players that will fit on this team and be good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Evan Fournier Jonas Valanciunas Jan Vesely Bismack Biyombo Donatas Motiejunas Nikola Mirotic Kevin Seraphin Ricky Rubio Victor Claver Omri Casspi Rodrigue Beaubois Christian Eyenga Danilo Gallinari Alexis Ajinca Serge Ibaka Nicolas Batum Yi Jianlian Marco Belinelli Rudy Fernandez Andrea Bargnani Mouhamed Sene Thabo Sefolosha Oleksiy Pecherov Sergio Rodriguez Joel Freeland That is a list of the last 25 Foreign Players selected in the 1st round excluding the rookie class. This list goes back to 2006. http://www.nba.com/h...ry/draft/index/ There is not a single all-star appearance amongst these guys. The ONLY person on that list who had any kind of hype was Rubio! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag82 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 There are a handful of guys on that list that are starters or atleast playing big minutes for really good teams. Bad idea to use Nic Batum, Thabo, and Ibaka as reasons why foreigners don't do well in the NBA. Almost like the list was compiled to prove the opposite point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 23, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Here is my view: Evan Fournier - solid Jonas Valanciunas - hit Jan Vesely - bust Bismack Biyombo - bust Donatas Motiejunas - eh Nikola Mirotic - solid (hasn't come over yet, seems to be developing quite well in Euroleague) Kevin Seraphin - eh Ricky Rubio - hit Victor Claver - bust Omri Casspi - decent Rodrigue Beaubois - decent Christian Eyenga - 30th pick - miss Danilo Gallinari - hit Alexis Ajinca - 20th pick - bust Serge Ibaka - hit Nicolas Batum - hit Yi Jianlian - bust Marco Belinelli - hit Rudy Fernandez - hit Andrea Bargnani - bust Mouhamed Sene - bust Thabo Sefolosha - hit Oleksiy Pecherov - 18th pick - bust Sergio Rodriguez - 27th pick - solid Joel Freeland - 30th pick - eh Started doing the picks and then stopped. There haven't been any home runs with this bunch but a majority are doing what you would expect at their draft slot or better. Bust = Bust Eh = Not as good as you'd want but not a complete bust Solid = OK - not great but not that bad for the draft slot Hit = Good pick. Team doesn't second guess this pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I disagree I think Ibaka is a home run. Not sure you can hope for more than a highly efficient scorer who has led the league in shot blocking the past 3 seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMeltdown Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Since 2006 there have been 182 College players drafted in the first round. 21 have already made atleast one all-star appearance. That is 8.7% of those drafted. With all-star appearance as the criteria college basketball players are 8.7% more successful than foreigners. I argue that a college basketball player is atleast 8.7% more likely to be an elite performer in the NBA than a foreigner. Drafts are all about potential. This is just another way that foreign potential is overrated compared to college potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 23, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Since 2006 there have been 182 College players drafted in the first round. 21 have already made atleast one all-star appearance. That is 8.7% of those drafted. With all-star appearance as the criteria college basketball players are 8.7% more successful than foreigners. I argue that a college basketball player is atleast 8.7% more likely to be an elite performer in the NBA than a foreigner. Drafts are all about potential. This is just another way that foreign potential is overrated compared to college potential. I would still like to see it controlled for draft slot. Most of the players you listed were picked 20 or higher. I am willing to bet that most of the college players who made All-Star teams were picked in the lottery (perhaps a high % in the top 5 or top 10, etc.) and very few, if any, were picked in that range. Ibaka, Valanciunas, and Batum could easily make one or more All-Star games before they are done. Bargnani and Yi stand out as the worst busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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