Luol Deng likely destination : Hawks

[Guest]

I think we have roughly $10 million in available cap space to sign free agents. The capologists @hawksfanatic will have to confirm if this includes cap holds etc.

I thought it was $13 million. Not sure though.

[Guest]

I thought it was $13 million. Not sure though.

Could be (just remember DF saying $10mil on radio) - and then I'm not sure if it includes the projected increase in salary cap

[benhillboy]

Deng is the guy we were mad at Josh not being able to surpass in terms of the 3 in the East, and only because his IQ is about double Josh's, nothing physical or skill-wise. A guy comparable to Josh isn't going to help us too tough. I don't see how y'all can trust his body and mileage. He's probably a better slasher than we have (we have none), but I wouldn't put his man defense above Junkyard.

Edited June 7, 2014 by benhillboy

[Guest]

Deng is the guy we were mad at Josh not being able to surpass in terms of the 3 in the East, and only because his IQ is about double Josh's, nothing physical or skill-wise. A guy comparable to Josh isn't going to help us too tough. I don't see how y'all can trust his body and mileage. He's probably a better slasher than we have (we have none), but I wouldn't put his man defense above Junkyard.

I don't think you can call him "comparable" if his IQ is double.

[Guest]

I think we have roughly $10 million in available cap space to sign free agents. The capologists @hawksfanatic will have to confirm if this includes cap holds etc.

Edit: we can trade Lou and get an addt'l $5 mil

Around $10 million is about right. If we renounce all of our Free Agents, then we will be at $11.4m with a projected cap of $63.2m.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2014/5/8/5688226/atlanta-hawks-salary-cap-2014-offseason

[Afro]

So with a Lou trade wed be at around 16? So not enough for deng, Hayward, and a big

[Guest]

By all means, trade Lou.

[Admin]

So with a Lou trade wed be at around 16? So not enough for deng, Hayward, and a big

Why would we want Deng and Hayward? We already have Korver at 6 million and Hayward isn't that much better.

[turnermx]

Childress...uuuh...and he's now out the League.

Phoenix amnestied him- still owed $7 mil next season, smh. The Hawks turned the 2nd round pick we got in that trade into Mike Scott - good deal.

So we got scott for chill? Sounds good to me!

[AHF]

Why would we want Deng and Hayward? We already have Korver at 6 million and Hayward isn't that much better.

Korver was better last year.

[Afro]

Why would we want Deng and Hayward? We already have Korver at 6 million and Hayward isn't that much better.

Well this is a lot to explain haha.

Korver is 33. He's not old by any means, but I would mind going ahead and bring in a 24 year old. Hayward had a slight slump being the go to guy in Utah last year, and I would think that might help us get him slightly cheaper. It'd be all about the money though.

Just like the Spurs id like to build great depth. Adding Hayward wouldn't make us worse. Like you said, he's slightly better than Korver. So he's good lol. And an asset. He can facilitate the offense and hit shots. The kind of guy we've been wanting to pair with teague. At 8 or 9 million I think he would be a solid pick up. With Hayward and Korver there would be a wealth of offensive options on the floor at all times. He's a good fit for this system.

Deng is a luxury, but one that would improve us. He would add another good defender and give us the slashing wing we need. Again. It'd be all about the money.

What I'm getting at is depth I guess. Hayward and Deng are not light years better than what we have, but they are more all around players and would shift korver into "backup' roles. I don't see how that wouldn't help us tremendously. Wed have a tom of options.

These signings would give us 2 more players that can realistically be counted on to give you 15 points when needed. Milsap,Horford,teague,Hayward, Deng, korver. That's a lot of quality guys right there.

Hayward would be my first choice though. I think he'd fit in well here even if he is just slightly more well rounded than Korver. At the very least you're adding a 24 year old on a decent contract that will be a good trade piece later.

I think its also fair to assume both players will improve over last year in this system. Kind of a "buy low" situation.

[TheFuzz]

Korver was better last year.

Different players, though I agree Korver is probably better. Hayward can create some off the dribble.

Our 2 most pressing needs are rebounding and another creator on the wing, preferably one who can shoot, play off the ball and play defense. I like Deng but he doesn't really fix either of those. He's a fine player for the right deal, but Parsons, Hayward and Stephenson give us a creator. Unfortunately, Hayward and Parsons are RFAs and Stephenson is insane. I'd rather draft someone to fill one of those roles, and if we can't land Hayward or Parsons on a decent deal, wait till next off-season to bring in Durant, Dragic or someone like that.

Edit: What's with all the hate on Korver's defense? As far as I'm aware, he is by most statistics a very good defender and by the eye-test as well. He played phenomenal defense against Indiana in the playoffs. Good D on Stephenson and swatted Hibbert a few times.

Edited June 7, 2014 by TheFuzz

[tbhawksfan]

Korver is aging like fine wine because his game is shoot and fundamental. He will continue to be able to do those things. Deng plays more athletic, will not maintain his level of play and would tie up too much money.

I'm looking for other options. No Deng

[Guest]

Well this is a lot to explain haha.

Korver is 33. He's not old by any means, but I would mind going ahead and bring in a 24 year old. Hayward had a slight slump being the go to guy in Utah last year, and I would think that might help us get him slightly cheaper. It'd be all about the money though.

Just like the Spurs id like to build great depth. Adding Hayward wouldn't make us worse. Like you said, he's slightly better than Korver. So he's good lol. And an asset. He can facilitate the offense and hit shots. The kind of guy we've been wanting to pair with teague. At 8 or 9 million I think he would be a solid pick up. With Hayward and Korver there would be a wealth of offensive options on the floor at all times. He's a good fit for this system.

Deng is a luxury, but one that would improve us. He would add another good defender and give us the slashing wing we need. Again. It'd be all about the money.

What I'm getting at is depth I guess. Hayward and Deng are not light years better than what we have, but they are more all around players and would shift korver into "backup' roles. I don't see how that wouldn't help us tremendously. Wed have a tom of options.

These signings would give us 2 more players that can realistically be counted on to give you 15 points when needed. Milsap,Horford,teague,Hayward, Deng, korver. That's a lot of quality guys right there.

Hayward would be my first choice though. I think he'd fit in well here even if he is just slightly more well rounded than Korver. At the very least you're adding a 24 year old on a decent contract that will be a good trade piece later.

I think its also fair to assume both players will improve over last year in this system. Kind of a "buy low" situation.

San Antonio's depth is built on low price free agents surrounding their high priced talent. They will cost too much combined.

[Admin]

Korver was better last year.

Doesn't mean he's the better player. Hayward is younger and had to take on more load than he should.

But I see no need for him here with Korver being on the team.

[Afro]

Doesn't mean he's the better player. Hayward is younger and had to take on more load than he should.

But I see no need for him here with Korver being on the team.

Why not have both? With Korver being more of the offensive specialist.

Say Hayward signs for 8-9 million. Thats 14-15 million dollars for 27+ppg, 7assts, 7+ rebounds. He'll must likely be cheaper than Parsons, and would be an asset to this team. Outside of being slightly redundant, why shouldn't we take a look a Hayward? Im curious. Also, does anyone know if he has interest from Boston? Seeing as how his college coach is there?

@JayBirdHawk- Yeah. Deng is probably a luxury we can't afford. Im still on the Hayward train for now haha. He isn't a star, but he is a very solid player and I think we could do worse for 9ish million.

[AHF]

Hayward is a restricted free agent and won't be leaving Utah for $8M/year. You are going to have to overpay to get the Jazz to let go of their best offensive player, even if he clearly isn't a #1.

[Admin]

Why not have both? With Korver being more of the offensive specialist.

Say Hayward signs for 8-9 million. Thats 14-15 million dollars for 27+ppg, 7assts, 7+ rebounds. He'll must likely be cheaper than Parsons, and would be an asset to this team. Outside of being slightly redundant, why shouldn't we take a look a Hayward? Im curious. Also, does anyone know if he has interest from Boston? Seeing as how his college coach is there?

@JayBirdHawk- Yeah. Deng is probably a luxury we can't afford. Im still on the Hayward train for now haha. He isn't a star, but he is a very solid player and I think we could do worse for 9ish million.

I'd rather have Deng than Hayward. I see no reason to have a 6 mil SG backing up a slightly better 8 mil SG. Too much money tied up there.

[TheFuzz]

If Hayward only costs $8M then he'd be the obvious signing but it'll take more than that. Hayward would take more than $10M to pry him from Utah and he's not worth that. Parsons is probably in a similar boat. I guess I'm warming up to a Deng signing if we can make it for pretty cheap.

[frosgrim]

If Hayward only costs $8M then he'd be the obvious signing but it'll take more than that. Hayward would take more than $10M to pry him from Utah and he's not worth that. Parsons is probably in a similar boat. I guess I'm warming up to a Deng signing if we can make it for pretty cheap.

Parsons is possible because Houston wants Melon or another big star. Hayward isn't leaving Utah because of his RFA stays (as AHF pointed out).

I say go for Parsons all out, if Houston matches then see of you can get Affalo in a trade or just take Deng on a 3 year deal.