Johnnybravo4 Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 How many big slow white big men are we going to draft? Konkak, Cal Bowdler, Antić, Jason Collier , Adam Keefe, Chris Crawford, Laettner, Hanno Mattola, Zaza, Pryzbilla, Rasmussen, Alexander fricken Volkov....just make it stop... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flight Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) I don't think Kaminsky will even fall to 15 at this point. Teams are falling in love with his offensive skills and potential Edited June 19, 2015 by Flight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I don't think Kaminsky will even fall to 15 at this point. Teams are falling in love with his offensive skills and potential He's gone between 9-13 pick imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlhawks1 Posted June 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) He's gone between 9-13 pick imo. Exactly, and we got people here who think he is a stretch at 15. Kaminsky is THE perfect fit for the Hawks system. In the system they run, in their Hammer Sets, the 4 or 5 doesnt set the weakside screen, he pops OUT for the 3 pointer. In San Antonio's Hammer, the 4 or 5 sets the weakside pick and nothing else. Thats the brilliance of Coach Bud, he took the San Antonio sets and gave them even MORE variations. The problem with the Hawks is the big that pops out, wasnt consistent enough ( Pero, later Scott, etc.) Kaminsky would THRIVE in this system. He doesnt HAVE to be a big bruisher. You slide Kaminsky into the 5 slot and move Horford over to the 4 where he isnt under soo much pressure to be a scorer and let him work on the boards. Here is a example of that set in action: Edited June 20, 2015 by atlhawks1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Exactly, and we got people here who think he is a stretch at 15. Kaminsky is THE perfect fit for the Hawks system. In the system they run, in their Hammer Sets, the 4 or 5 doesnt set the weakside screen, he pops OUT for the 3 pointer. In San Antonio's Hammer, the 4 or 5 sets the weakside pick and nothing else. Thats the brilliance of Coach Bud, he took the San Antonio sets and gave them even MORE variations. The problem with the Hawks is the big that pops out, wasnt consistent enough ( Pero, later Scott, etc.) Kaminsky would THRIVE in this system. He doesnt HAVE to be a big bruisher. You slide Kaminsky into the 5 slot and move Horford over to the 4 where he isnt under soo much pressure to be a scorer and let him work on the boards. Here is a example of that set in action: Frank at the 5 slot might get murdered on defense :-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlhawks1 Posted June 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Frank at the 5 slot might get murdered on defense :-0 No different than Horford and Milsap getting their lunch handed to them. The angle im looking at is the fact that its obvious to me, that Bud isnt gonna get a conventional center. This means he wants to play small ball and out execute teams. If he is gonna do that, his SCORERS have to be better than they are. I agree with you, dont get me wrong, but i dont think Bud cares. He couldnt have, because anybody could see the Hawks weakness on the boards. So, again, if he is playing that way, draft Kaminsky, and if Kaminsky is as weak as people say, let him play the 4 and keep Horford at 5. Either way, i rather see Kaminsky popping out for those 3 point shots, instead of Pero. Its not like Pero played defense either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Its not like Pero played defense either. I heard his post defense was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 No different than Horford and Milsap getting their lunch handed to them. The angle im looking at is the fact that its obvious to me, that Bud isnt gonna get a conventional center. This means he wants to play small ball and out execute teams. If he is gonna do that, his SCORERS have to be better than they are. I agree with you, dont get me wrong, but i dont think Bud cares. He couldnt have, because anybody could see the Hawks weakness on the boards. So, again, if he is playing that way, draft Kaminsky, and if Kaminsky is as weak as people say, let him play the 4 and keep Horford at 5. Either way, i rather see Kaminsky popping out for those 3 point shots, instead of Pero. Its not like Pero played defense either. I understand the versatility of our offense and having the bigs shoot 3's and outside jumpers, but at the same time, I'm weary of Frank having to go up against Marc Gasol or Deandre Jordan or someone like that with size. I'm not completely against drafting Frank, but I'm not sure if he might be the best solution for our team right now. Honestly, I'm not sure how much an ECF team can depend on a 15th pick anyways. We are a veteran team that relies heavily on veteran experience and leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlhawks1 Posted June 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 I heard his post defense was excellent. lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlhawks1 Posted June 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) I understand the versatility of our offense and having the bigs shoot 3's and outside jumpers, but at the same time, I'm weary of Frank having to go up against Marc Gasol or Deandre Jordan or someone like that with size. I'm not completely against drafting Frank, but I'm not sure if he might be the best solution for our team right now. Honestly, I'm not sure how much an ECF team can depend on a 15th pick anyways. We are a veteran team that relies heavily on veteran experience and leadership. Like i said, its not like Horford is holding down the paint. Mosgove and Thompson proved that. My whole thing is, if you can have Pero Antić on your roster, why not draft somebody with potential. Next year is gonna be tougher for the Hawks. Whatever they do, a Horford/Millsap front line isnt gonna cut it in the playoffs. They NOT getting Deandre Jordan. They NOT getting Gasol. They NOT gonna figure out a way to get Dwight Howard.................so.........At this point, a washed up Roy HIbbert is a good option........lmao Edited June 20, 2015 by atlhawks1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 lmao That's not post defense bro ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlhawks1 Posted June 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 That's not post defense bro ... Its a joke............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Its a joke............ Lol...ok. It's ok not to know what post defense is and still be a fan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolvetigers Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 It will be interesting to see how Kaminsky's career goes anyway. Ill hate to see the Hawks past him up and he DOES turn into a big time player. I personally think he has enough post game to be what the Hawks need. Kaminsky is not strong at all...he woud get push out of the post easily. The main knock on him is whether he will translate to the league. He may just be a another cody zeller.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescout5 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Don't know about Kaminsky. He has the smarts and some players might not be blessed with great leaping ability,scoring but you can't measure heart. If Kaminsky has the heart (work ethic) then I would take a chance on him. You know if the Pacers like him then that usually bodes well for the player. Not saying Pacers are perfect but they seem to find gems wth questionable players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Measurables for defense. The number one measurable for defense is standing reach. Paul Millsap - 8' 9.5" Al Horford - 8' 11" Tyrus Thomas - 9' 0" Frank Kaminsky - 9' 1.5" Tyson Chandler - 9' 2" I agree he'll get moved out of the post, but players in the post with length are a deterrent to penetration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnice Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I thought pau was small in 2001 but he turned out to be a 3 or 4 time all star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimeyKidd Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Alex Kennedy says we talked to multiple teams about moving up. Nba sources believe we want frank k Edited June 24, 2015 by GrimeyKidd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member hawkman Posted June 24, 2015 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Alex Kennedy says we talked to multiple teams about moving up. Nba sources believe we want frank k That's who they want to trade up for? Won't he be available at 15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 That's who they want to trade up for? Won't he be available at 15? It's looking like his stock is rising. Won't likely be there at 15 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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