Getting KD has become a bigger possibility

[aali34]

Even though we have to go through the cavs, playing Boston in the first round may have been helpful in a way to the hawks this upcoming off season.

It is common knowledge that many analysts say that Boston is a prime FA target this off season, but by watching how they are falling apart against us in the playoffs  (knock on wood), many players may end up being dissuaded from going there. If we steal a game or two in a convincing fashion and try to make it a competitive series, then it  no brainer that ECF contender with no star + top 5 player in nba = Finals contender. Also KD is a big fan of Gregg Popovich, and his former right hand man is our freakin' head coach.

To be frank, the only clear advantage Boston has against us is money, but as last season showed us, players are leaning towards winning more than money nowadays.  Ex- Lamarcus Aldridge, Greg Monroe( backfired on him)

Here is the cap for each team- 

 

 

 

 

Atlanta is in the middle of the pack compared to Boston, but to me the only way KD goes to Boston is if another max player joins him which i don't see happening as of today. And just for kicks here is a list of every nba team and why he wont go to them; I hope you all agree with my reasoning.

Lakers - lol

Philly- lol

Boston - lack of talent/too young

Dallas - possibility, but they kind of already have Parsons

Washington - screwed it for themselves by not making the playoffs

Portland - lack of talent/too young

Houston - Idc who you are, there is no way any rational  person leaves Westbrook for Harden

Charlotte - too many wings (lamb, mkg, batum) plus they already have Batum

Brooklyn- lol

Memphis- too old

Detroit - recent beef, plus they have Caldwell-Pope and Stanley Johnson

Miami -lebron's shadow, Dwade's knees, Chris Bosh's health, Hassan Whiteside leaving possibility, plus they have 9 free agents

Atlanta - Leave in the comments ( and i don't want too hear "free agents don't come hear", valid reasoning please

Toronto - same iso system as OKC, plus is Derozan staying or not?

Utah - growing team, but not there yet. Plus they have Hood, and Hayward

Denver - lol

New York - lol

Indiana - possibility, but not likely, plus PG

Minnesota - lol

Phoenix - lol

Orlando - lol

Sacramento -lol

Milwaukee - lol, plus Giannis

New Orleans - not a lot of cap space available

OKC - most likely

Chicago - no money, but very intriguing ( Jimmy Butler plus KD would be very interesting)

San Antonio - no money, plus why would he sign with the team that may knock him out of the second round this year

Golden State - would look like a total p*ssy, plus he would be second to curry

Clippers - no money

If KD chooses any team other than OKC over the hawks, than the man is a complete moron and that kind of stupidity would not be welcomed here anyway.

One last question, I know that the hawks haven't made any splashes in free agency in years past, but that's because the old front office was filled with complete idiots. This new management has done way more than in 2-3 years than the old one ever has in a business and competitive fashion.

- Elite coach

- Player development that we never had

-Improved training staff

- Emory/P3 training center

-Trying to make a d'league team

- Having actual plans

- Adding Steve Koonin ( the hawks seem way more marketable ever since he came, Fresher court, nice logo, 3d projector, the overall fan experience is way better)

Any reason the hawks did not get anyone was in the past, I'm not saying we will get KD ( who knows if the Front office is even considering it?), but if we tried to without losing key players and he goes to any other team, than he's just plain dumb.

 

 

Edited April 21, 2016 by aali34

[Guest]

IMHO, KD is likely to sign a 1 year deal with a 1-year player option for the max so he and Westbrook can be FAgents together.  I think that's stupid considering the injury he's coming off.

Second most likely scenario is he'll explore joining the Warriors.  How they end their season will determine if they want him or not.  If they win it all it becomes less likely.

Third, I'd bet on Pat Riley.  He's still revered by players in a way that dwarfs the logic of their scenario (which you noted effectively).  That team is in build-mode after this year but I don't think that would phase KD.  Riley has a track record that almost no other front office has.

Next, I'd say San Antonio is a real threat.  He's looking to stealth-ring chase.  SA is another front office with a stellar track record/rep.  IIUC, there are scenarios whereby they could actually get him signed.  Why would he sign with the team that put them out?  Why not?  It's not like it'll be a chippy series.  That's not SA's style.  They whup guys and at the end of it their opponents respect them more for it.

I don't think we'll get a meeting.  If we do, that's a huge win.  Our track record/rep is still as a joke of a franchise due to the ineptitude of the past 3 decades.  We have grown ups in place now but you don't dispel that clownership rep in just 2 seasons unfortunately.

Now, we'd be the best fit for KD IMHO.  We have a role just waiting for a guy like him, we could pay him comparably, we're in the East and are a solid team.  There's not much more to like if you're him.  Unfortunately, these guys don't work based on logic.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, aali34 said:

Even though we have to go through the cavs, playing Boston in the first round may have been helpful in a way to the hawks this upcoming off season.

It is common knowledge that many analysts say that Boston is a prime FA target this off season, but by watching how they are falling apart against us in the playoffs  (knock on wood), many players may end up being dissuaded from going there. If we steal a game or two in a convincing fashion and try to make it a competitive series, then it  no brainer that ECF contender with no star + top 5 player in nba = Finals contender. Also KD is a big fan of Gregg Popovich, and his former right hand man is our freakin' head coach.

To be frank, the only clear advantage Boston has against us is money, but as last season showed us, players are leaning towards winning more than money nowadays.  Ex- Lamarcus Aldridge, Greg Monroe( backfired on him)

Here is the cap for each team- 

 

 

 

 

Atlanta is in the middle of the pack compared to Boston, but to me the only way KD goes to Boston is if another max player joins him which i don't see happening as of today. And just for kicks here is a list of every nba team and why he wont go to them; I hope you all agree with my reasoning.

Lakers - lol

Philly- lol

Boston - lack of talent/too young

Dallas - possibility, but they kind of already have Parsons

Washington - screwed it for themselves by not making the playoffs

Portland - lack of talent/too young

Houston - Idc who you are, there is no way any rational  person leaves Westbrook for Harden

Charlotte - too many wings (lamb, mkg, batum) plus they already have Batum

Brooklyn- lol

Memphis- too old

Detroit - recent beef, plus they have Caldwell-Pope and Stanley Johnson

Miami -lebron's shadow, Dwade's knees, Chris Bosh's health, Hassan Whiteside leaving possibility, plus they have 9 free agents

Atlanta - Leave in the comments ( and i don't want too hear "free agents don't come hear", valid reasoning please

Toronto - same iso system as OKC, plus is Derozan staying or not?

Utah - growing team, but not there yet. Plus they have Hood, and Hayward

Denver - lol

New York - lol

Indiana - possibility, but not likely, plus PG

Minnesota - lol

Phoenix - lol

Orlando - lol

Sacramento -lol

Milwaukee - lol, plus Giannis

New Orleans - not a lot of cap space available

OKC - most likely

Chicago - no money, but very intriguing ( Jimmy Butler plus KD would be very interesting)

San Antonio - no money, plus why would he sign with the team that may knock him out of the second round this year

Golden State - would look like a total p*ssy, plus he would be second to curry

Clippers - no money

If KD chooses any team other than OKC over the hawks, than the man is a complete moron and that kind of stupidity would not be welcomed here anyway.

One last question, I know that the hawks haven't made any splashes in free agency in years past, but that's because the old front office was filled with complete idiots. This new management has done way more than in 2-3 years than the old one ever has in a business and competitive fashion.

- Elite coach

- Player development that we never had

-Improved training staff

- Emory/P3 training center

-Trying to make a d'league team

- Having actual plans

- Adding Steve Koonin ( the hawks seem way more marketable ever since he came, Fresher court, nice logo, 3d projector, the overall fan experience is way better)

Any reason the hawks did not get anyone was in the past, I'm not saying we will get KD ( who knows if the Front office is even considering it?), but if we tried to without losing key players and he goes to any other team, than he's just plain dumb.

 

 

Ok, how about "Free agents don't come HERE."

 

Gotta admire you for dreamin though.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Spud2Nique said:

Ok, how about "Free agents don't come HERE."

Gotta admire you for dreamin though.

Your such a terd.

[Guest]

46 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Your such a terd.

Ur mom

[aali34]

1 hour ago, Spud2Nique said:

Ok, how about "Free agents don't come HERE."

I get that, but i want to know a weakness or a logical reason as to why he would not come here.

He by himself fixes every problem the Hawks have-

shooting- over 40% from 3

star power/facilitator(one of the best pnr ball handlers in the nba)

rebounding - 8  per game

plus he is a very underrated defender - defensive rating - 82.1

[Guest]

1 minute ago, aali34 said:

I get that, but i want to know a weakness or a logical reason as to why he would not come here.

He by himself fixes every problem the Hawks have-

shooting- over 40% from 3

star power/facilitator(one of the best pnr ball handlers in the nba)

rebounding - 8  per game

plus he is a very underrated defender - defensive rating - 82.1

We have a ready made team for him, most of us see that.  

The weakness/logical reason?  I would say we do not have a player(s) that Durant would see as a part of this 'BIG THREE' .  We do not have a player deemed a   'SUPERSTAR'  to draw Durant in.  Unfortunate but TRUE.

Is he willing to be "THE MAN" and bring in other players here or is it easier for him to join up with another Superstar on another team.

It's all about what Durant wants and how he and his people see Atlanta and the Hawks.  They'll revert to what's easy in discounting Atlanta.  

That's just the Hawks lot in life after YEARS/DECADES of incompetence and mismanagement.  

 

[aali34]

2 hours ago, kg01 said:

IMHO, KD is likely to sign a 1 year deal with a 1-year player option for the max so he and Westbrook can be FAgents together.  I think that's stupid considering the injury he's coming off.

Second most likely scenario is he'll explore joining the Warriors.  How they end their season will determine if they want him or not.  If they win it all it becomes less likely.

Third, I'd bet on Pat Riley.  He's still revered by players in a way that dwarfs the logic of their scenario (which you noted effectively).  That team is in build-mode after this year but I don't think that would phase KD.  Riley has a track record that almost no other front office has.

Next, I'd say San Antonio is a real threat.  He's looking to stealth-ring chase.  SA is another front office with a stellar track record/rep.  IIUC, there are scenarios whereby they could actually get him signed.  Why would he sign with the team that put them out?  Why not?  It's not like it'll be a chippy series.  That's not SA's style.  They whup guys and at the end of it their opponents respect them more for it.

I don't think we'll get a meeting.  If we do, that's a huge win.  Our track record/rep is still as a joke of a franchise due to the ineptitude of the past 3 decades.  We have grown ups in place now but you don't dispel that clownership rep in just 2 seasons unfortunately.

Now, we'd be the best fit for KD IMHO.  We have a role just waiting for a guy like him, we could pay him comparably, we're in the East and are a solid team.  There's not much more to like if you're him.  Unfortunately, these guys don't work based on logic.

I agree that OKC is his most likely option,

but i don't see how the warriors could sign him without losing so many valuable players that made them so good, plus WHY? They just won 73 games. The only way that does'nt happen is if Harrison Barnes leaves, and if he does we could snag him too. But the main reason I don't think San Antonio or GSW is a valid option is that KD is a competitor and he would most likely be second fiddle to curry.

Pat Riley may be a genius, but I don't think any star at the small forward position would willingly put themselves in Lebron's shadow, plus its not like they can sign him anyway. Whiteside is getting a max, wade is getting his money, lots of role players are getting thier money, they have to decide to keep Dieng and/or Joe johnson

I think that if we do get a meeting than we have a 45% chance.

[frosgrim]

First, KD would be an absolute perfect fit for this team IF he stops dribbling the air out of the ball. If he buys into the catch and shoot that this offense is predicated on, he would have another MVP season.

In terms of FA coming to Atlanta: Bud got Millsap to come, or at least helped with that. But more importantly, Bud got Millsap to stay when he could have left for Orlando. So, the FA thing while true in the past is starting to melt.

I don't think this is far-fetched a scenario as it seems. If Horford and KD have a talk we could see them working out salaries to make it happen.

But as a Atlanta sports fan, I do have to say... Dang-it, another pipe dream that will be crushed like an empty can of Budweiser on Payton Manning's head.

 

[aali34]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

We have a ready made team for him, most of us see that.  

The weakness/logical reason?  I would say we do not have a player(s) that Durant would see as a part of this 'BIG THREE' .  We do not have a player deemed a   'SUPERSTAR'  to draw Durant in.  Unfortunate but TRUE.

Is he willing to be "THE MAN" and bring in other players here or is it easier for him to join up with another Superstar on another team.

It's all about what Durant wants and how he and his people see Atlanta and the Hawks.  They'll revert to what's easy in discounting Atlanta.  

That's just the Hawks lot in life after YEARS/DECADES of incompetence and mismanagement.  

 

To be completley honest,

I think Al Horfod and Paul Millsap are good enough to spike interest, but thats not it.

If you observe OKC's starting 5 aside from Durant himself, the best shooter is ibaka at 32%

There is no spacing whatsoever and the fact that he is shooting so well and that his team is 3rd makes me believe that he is better than lebron already. Why its simple.

Since his miami days, lebron always fills the floor with 3 point shooting big men- Chris Bosh, Rashard Lewis, Kevin Love, Channing Frye. And has alos had good shooters ta the gaurd positions as well - Chalmers, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Ray Allen, Kyrie, and Jr smith.

All KD has is Ibaka ( Kanter shoots 47% percent but took around 20 threes this season so he doesn't count)

The fact that he dominates so well regardless of what he little space he has is amazing, and i think that if he came to Atlanta he would erupt just like Steph Curry did.

Here is an iso of KD - a few years ago- note that even though Perkins is playing he nor Adams can shoot.

Here is an iso of kawhi leonard- note that aldridge and west are both midrange shooters space the floor better for him-

Here is lebron in an iso with Love and Mozgov who is an okay midrange shooter spacing the floor- 

Here is another of KD with good spacing - 

Isolating is not all bad if the floor is spread out with respectable shooters, Kd hardly has more than one above average shooter on the court with him, the fact that our worst 3 point shooter in the staring 5 is as good as thier BEST is a big staement.

I think that a big three of Horford, Millsap, and KD would probably be the best frontcourt in the nba

[aali34]

15 minutes ago, frosgrim said:

First, KD would be an absolute perfect fit for this team IF he stops dribbling the air out of the ball. If he buys into the catch and shoot that this offense is predicated on, he would have another MVP season.

In terms of FA coming to Atlanta: Bud got Millsap to come, or at least helped with that. But more importantly, Bud got Millsap to stay when he could have left for Orlando. So, the FA thing while true in the past is starting to melt.

I don't think this is far-fetched a scenario as it seems. If Horford and KD have a talk we could see them working out salaries to make it happen.

But as a Atlanta sports fan, I do have to say... Dang-it, another pipe dream that will be crushed like an empty can of Budweiser on Payton Manning's head.

 

Thats not all, I think that the constant ball and player movement would result in meaningful isos like with him on a point or shooting gaurd in the low block. KD is actually a very good post player for a wing and we can run multiple sets for him like the way the spurs run them for kawhi leonard.-

 

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, aali34 said:

To be completley honest,

I think Al Horfod and Paul Millsap are good enough to spike interest, but thats not it.

You and I and most Hawks fans know that.  We don't need convincing.  Convincing KD and his team is the issue.

The rest of the fringe fans, other NBA fans and the national media dont see Al and Paul as top level SUPERSTAR players.  Again Sad but TRUE.

[Sothron]

I love a good pipe dream.

[aali34]

56 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

You and I and most Hawks fans know that.  We don't need convincing.  Convincing KD and his team is the issue.

The rest of the fringe fans, other NBA fans and the national media dont see Al and Paul as top level SUPERSTAR players.  Again Sad but TRUE.

What pisses me off is that analysts aren't even thinking about it. Its not freakin rocket science-

Good offense/2nd best defensive team in nba + 2nd best offensive player in the nba = Top  offensive/defensive team overall

Nobody even respects Coach Bud as an elite coach.

 http://www.basketballinsiders.com/video-does-scott-brooks-bring-durant-too/

How the f*ck is this even a question?

Edited April 21, 2016 by aali34

[hylndr11]

Him and Rus are tight, i think he really wants to stay but i just dont see them getting past the spurs ,  i think they can beat GS i dont see currys ankle holding up or them keeping this up

[TheFuzz]

Pipe dream or no, I think we gotta go for it. We bring him in, we're a title squad for a long time, and this year more than most we actually make some sense for him. So, even if the shot is one-in-a-million, we gotta go for it. I mean, Phoenix almost pulled Aldridge in the offseason.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, aali34 said:

I get that, but i want to know a weakness or a logical reason as to why he would not come here.

He by himself fixes every problem the Hawks have-

shooting- over 40% from 3

star power/facilitator(one of the best pnr ball handlers in the nba)

rebounding - 8  per game

plus he is a very underrated defender - defensive rating - 82.1

I have absolutely no objection to KD coming here. As a matter of fact I'd personally roll out the red carpet for him. He fits us perfectly to a T. I guess I just haven't seen a high profile free agent choose us since JJ (and at the time he was the 4th option on the Suns) and before that was Dikembe in 96. I guess it's bound to happen sometime. I hope you are right, I pray that you are right.

[Sothron]

No fan here objects to his coming but there's just no way in hell that's going to happen. All the theory crafting that we have a perfect team to fit around him is true but it means nothing because we have no chance of signing him.

[BigDog90]

6 hours ago, kg01 said:

IMHO, KD is likely to sign a 1 year deal with a 1-year player option for the max so he and Westbrook can be FAgents together.  I think that's stupid considering the injury he's coming off.

Second most likely scenario is he'll explore joining the Warriors.  How they end their season will determine if they want him or not.  If they win it all it becomes less likely.

Third, I'd bet on Pat Riley.  He's still revered by players in a way that dwarfs the logic of their scenario (which you noted effectively).  That team is in build-mode after this year but I don't think that would phase KD.  Riley has a track record that almost no other front office has.

Next, I'd say San Antonio is a real threat.  He's looking to stealth-ring chase.  SA is another front office with a stellar track record/rep.  IIUC, there are scenarios whereby they could actually get him signed.  Why would he sign with the team that put them out?  Why not?  It's not like it'll be a chippy series.  That's not SA's style.  They whup guys and at the end of it their opponents respect them more for it.

I don't think we'll get a meeting.  If we do, that's a huge win.  Our track record/rep is still as a joke of a franchise due to the ineptitude of the past 3 decades.  We have grown ups in place now but you don't dispel that clownership rep in just 2 seasons unfortunately.

Now, we'd be the best fit for KD IMHO.  We have a role just waiting for a guy like him, we could pay him comparably, we're in the East and are a solid team.  There's not much more to like if you're him.  Unfortunately, these guys don't work based on logic.

I agree.  GS wouldn't have to gut their team to get him to come this off-season if he waits until 2017. They'd have to let Livingston (non-guaranteed contract), Barnes and Iggy or Bogut go to make it work this year. Meanwhile if KD waits until 2017, GS could sign KD and Iggy, Bogut, Livingston and Curry could all sign deals to work around KD's deal. I'm sure they'd max out Barnes if they win it all this year but I could imagine if there's a chance KD could come in 2017, they could trade Barnes. 

I don't know, Pat Riley is the best recruiter in the NBA. If anybody can get KD it's Riley,  salary wise going to be tough since they got to pay Wade, Deng, Joe and Whiteside this summer and Bosh is under contract. Who knows if he'll come back.

SA would be interesting. I think they're fine with Kawhi though.

I don't know about the Hawks, they don't have that younger talent who can take over as KD, Millsap and Horford play into their 30s like a team like SA has in Kawhi.

 

 

 

[hylndr11]

and if KD joins GS, the nba is going to be a even bigger joke, seriously w.t.f.  Thats probably the best iso guy potentially in the league and the best shooter ever not to mention these other all stars, thats not competition,  which should drive this product, and it no longer will, ppl might watch some more in the finals to see them destroy ppl, but overall ticket sales will drop around the league when so many other teams have no chance