TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 I'll break this up into 5 groups: 1st round picks in the top 20 Picks 21 or lower who cracked the rotation Draft night or preseason trades that brought other people in Free agents brought in who cracked the rotation Players brought in via trades I'll let people draw their own conclusions and leave my thoughts out of it. Top 20 Picks + draft night trades in top 20 1990 - Rumeal Robinson ( 10th ) 1991 - Stacey Augmon ( 9th ) 1991 - Blair Rasmussen ( acquired in trade ) 1992 - Adam Keefe ( 10th ) 1993 - Doug Edwards ( 15th ) 1995 - Alan Henderson ( 16th ) 1998 - Roshon McLeod ( 20th ) 1999 - Jason Terry ( 10th ) 1999 - Cal Bowdler ( 17th ) 1999 - Dion Glover ( 20th ) 2000 - Demarr Johnson ( 6th ) 2003 - Shareef Abdur-Rahim ( acquired in trade ) 2004 - Josh Childress ( 6th ) 2004 - Josh Smith ( 17th ) 2004 - Royal Ivey ( 37th ) 2005 - Marvin Williams ( 2nd ) 2006 - Shelden Williams ( 5th ) 2007 - Al Horford ( 3rd ) 2007 - Acie Law ( 11th ) 2009 - Jeff Teague ( 19th ) 2013 - Dennis Schröder ( 17th ) 2013 - Mike Muscala ( acquired in trade ) 2014 - Adreian Payne ( 15th ) - RIP 2015 - Tim Hardaway Jr ( acquired in trade ) 2017 - John Collins ( 19th ) 2018 - Trae Young ( acquired in trade ) 2018 - Kevin Huerter ( 18th ) 2019 - De'Andre Hunter ( acquired in trade ) 2019 - Cam Reddish ( 10th ) 2020 - Onyeka Okongwu ( 6th ) 2021 - Jalen Johnson ( 20th ) 2022 - AJ Griffin ( 16th ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 2023 - Kobe Bufkin ( 15th ) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 Picks 21 or lower who cracked the rotation ( minimum 10 min/game ) 1997 - Ed Gray ( 22nd ) 1997 - Chris Crawford ( 51st ) 2000 - Hanno Motola ( 40th ) 2003 - Boris Diaw ( 21st ) 2005 - Salim Stoudamire ( 31st ) 2006 - Solomon Jones ( 33rd ) 2012 - John Jenkins ( 22nd ) 2012 - Mike Scott ( 43rd ) 2016 - Deandre Bembry ( 21st ) 2018 - Omari Spellman ( 30th ) 2020 - Skylar Mays ( 50th ) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 Draft night/preseason trades and the player traded for them 1991 - Anthony Avent ( 15th )----> Blair Rasmussen 2001 - Pau Gasol ( 3rd ) ---------> Shareef Abdur-Rahim 2010 - Damion Jones ( 24th ) ----> Jordan Crawford 2013 - Shane Larkin ( 18th ) -----> Mike Muscala 2015 - Kelly Oubre Jr ( 15th ) ----> Tim Hardaway Jr 2018 - Luka Doncic ( 3rd ) -------> Trae Young 2019 - Jaxson Hayes ( 8th ) -----> De'Andre Hunter 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted July 4, 2023 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 Some of these are depressing. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 OOPS! . . . Missed the Taurean Prince Trade 2016 - Jeff Teague --------------> Taurean Prince 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 4, 2023 Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) Depending on all draftees to carry your team is fools gold. Denver did it though... that's why that was such a big win for the NBA. Edited July 4, 2023 by theheroatl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 4, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, theheroatl said: Depending on all draftees to carry your team is fools gold. Denver did it though... that's why that was such a big win for the NBA. Jokic (8yrs) and Murray (7yrs) have been together the longest. The rest of their team they traded for or signed as FAs. (Forgot MPJ - 5 years) Longevity with their coach and front office was also instrumental in that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 4, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 It takes time! Be patient Hawks management! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: Picks 21 or lower who cracked the rotation ( minimum 10 min/game ) 1997 - Ed Gray ( 22nd ) 1997 - Chris Crawford ( 51st ) 2000 - Hanno Motola ( 40th ) 2003 - Boris Diaw ( 21st ) 2005 - Salim Stoudamire ( 31st ) 2006 - Solomon Jones ( 33rd ) 2012 - John Jenkins ( 22nd ) 2012 - Mike Scott ( 43rd ) 2016 - Deandre Bembry ( 21st ) 2018 - Omari Spellman ( 30th ) 2020 - Skylar Mays ( 50th ) (( GASP!! )) . . . . I left my dude off of this 2019 - Bruno Fernando ( 34th ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: It takes time! Be patient Hawks management! I got more coming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: (( GASP!! )) . . . . I left my dude off of this 2019 - Bruno Fernando ( 34th ) Although technically, Bruno was a draft night trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 OK . . I think I got everything and all of the major players. May have left off some borderline minor guys ( like Tiago Splitter ). But I don't think I missed anyone major. Possible though. Free agents signed via cap space that cracked rotation ( minimum 15 min/game and 40 games played ) 1990 - Sidney Moncrief 1991 - Snoop Graham 1993 - Craig Ehlo 1993 - Andrew Lang 1996 - Dikembe Mutombo 1996 - Henry James 1996 - Eldridge Recasner 1996 - Jon Barry 1997 - Chucky Brown 1999 - LaPhonzo Ellis 1999 - Anthony Johnson 2000 - Matt Maloney 2001 - Ira Newble 2001 - Jacque Vaughn ( again in 2003 ) 2002 - Dan Dickau 2003 - Stephen Jackson 2004 - Jason Collier ( RIP ) 2005 - Zaza Pachulia 2006 - Speedy Claxton 2008 - Flip Murray 2008 - Maurice Evans 2009 - Jason Collins 2011 - Willie Green 2011 - Ivan Johnson 2011 - Tracy McGrady 2011 - Vladimir Radmanovic 2011 - Jannero Pargo 2012 - Lou Williams 2013 - Anthony Tolliver 2013 - Shelvin Mack 2013 - Paul Millsap 2013 - DeMarre Carroll 2013 - Elton Brand 2013 - Pero Antic 2014 - Cartier Martin 2014 - Thabo Sefolosha 2014 - Kent Bazemore 2016 - Kris Humphries 2016 - Dwight Howard 2017 - Ersan Ilyasova 2017 - Malcolm Delaney 2017 - Dewayne Deadmon 2017 - Isaiah Taylor 2017 - Luke Babbitt 2018 - Alex Len 2018 - Vince Carter 2019 - Jabari Parker 2019 - Brandon Goodwin 2020 - Solomon Hill 2020 - Bogdan Bogdanovic 2020 - Rajon Rondo 2021 - Timothe Luwawu-Caborrot 2021 - Gorgui Dieng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 Players brought in via trades ( minimum 15 min/game & 40 games played ) 1991 - Tim McCormick -----------> Maurice Cheeks 1991 - Spud Webb ---------------> Travis Mays 1992 - Rumeal Robinson ---------> Mookie Blaylock 1994 - Dominique Wilkins --------> Danny Manning 1994 - Roy Hinson ---------------> Ken Norman 1994 - Adam Keefe --------------> Ty Corbin 1994 - Kevin Willis + 1st ---------> Grant Long, Steve Smith 1996 - Lang + Webb -------------> Christain Laettner 1999 - Smitty + Gray ------------->Jim Jackson, JR Rider 1999 - Mookie + 1st --------------> Bimbo Coles 1999 - two 1sts ------------------> Lorenzen Wright 2001 - Dikembe + McLeod -------> Toni Kukoc, Theo Ratliff, Nazr Mohammed 2001 - Jimmy J + AJ -------------> Brevin Knight 2002 - Kukoc + 1st ---------------> Glenn Robinson 2003 - Glenn Robinson -----------> Terrell Brandon ( never played with Hawks and retired via injury ) 2004 - Rasheed Wallace ----------> Bobby Sura + 1st ( Josh Smith ) 2004 - Stephen Jackson ----------> Al Harrington 2004 - Jon Barry ------------------> Ty Lue 2004 - 2nd Rd pick ----------------> Predrag Drobnak 2005 - Terry + Hendu + 1st --------> Antoine Walker, Tony Delk 2005 - Antoine Walker -------------> Tom Gugliotta + 1st 2005 - Diaw + two 1sts ------------> Joe Johnson 2007 - 2nd Rd pick ----------------> Anthony Johnson 2008 - AJ, Lue, Shelden, Wright ---> Mike Bibby 2009 - Speedy + Acie -------------> Jamal Crawford 2011 - Bibby, Craw, Evans, 1st -----> Kirk Hinrich 2012 - Joe Johnson TPE ----------> Kyle Korver 2012 - Marvin Williams ------------> Devin Harris 2013 - Joe Johnson --------------> DeShawn Stevenson 2016 - Jeff Teague ----------------> Taurean Prince 2017 - Howard + 2nd rd -----------> Marco Belinelli, Miles Plumlee, 2nd rd ( Tyler Dorsey ) 2018 - two 2nds -------------------> Jeremy Lin 2018 - Schröder, 1st --------------> Justin Anderson 2020 - Dedmon -------------------> Tony Snell 2020 - Turner, 1st, 2nd ------------> Clint Capela 2020 - 2nd rd + TPE --------------> Danilo Gallinari + cash 2021 - Bruno, Dunn, 2nd rd -------> Delon Wright 2021 - Rondo ---------------------> Lou Williams + two 2nds 2022 - Gallo + four 1sts -----------> Dejounte Murray 2023 - five 2nd rd picks ----------> Saddiq Bey 2023 - J-Hol, Kaminsky ----------> Bruno Fernando, Garrison Matthews 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 4, 2023 Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: Players brought in via trades ( minimum 15 min/game & 40 games played ) 1991 - Tim McCormick -----------> Maurice Cheeks 1991 - Spud Webb ---------------> Travis Mays 1992 - Rumeal Robinson ---------> Mookie Blaylock 1994 - Dominique Wilkins --------> Danny Manning 1994 - Roy Hinson ---------------> Ken Norman 1994 - Adam Keefe --------------> Ty Corbin 1994 - Kevin Willis + 1st ---------> Grant Long, Steve Smith 1996 - Lang + Webb -------------> Christain Laettner 1999 - Smitty + Gray ------------->Jim Jackson, JR Rider 1999 - Mookie + 1st --------------> Bimbo Coles 1999 - two 1sts ------------------> Lorenzen Wright 2001 - Dikembe + McLeod -------> Toni Kukoc, Theo Ratliff, Nazr Mohammed 2001 - Jimmy J + AJ -------------> Brevin Knight 2002 - Kukoc + 1st ---------------> Glenn Robinson 2003 - Glenn Robinson -----------> Terrell Brandon ( never played with Hawks and retired via injury ) 2004 - Rasheed Wallace ----------> Bobby Sura + 1st ( Josh Smith ) 2004 - Stephen Jackson ----------> Al Harrington 2004 - Jon Barry ------------------> Ty Lue 2004 - 2nd Rd pick ----------------> Predrag Drobnak 2005 - Terry + Hendu + 1st --------> Antoine Walker, Tony Delk 2005 - Antoine Walker -------------> Tom Gugliotta + 1st 2005 - Diaw + two 1sts ------------> Joe Johnson 2007 - 2nd Rd pick ----------------> Anthony Johnson 2008 - AJ, Lue, Shelden, Wright ---> Mike Bibby 2009 - Speedy + Acie -------------> Jamal Crawford 2011 - Bibby, Craw, Evans, 1st -----> Kirk Hinrich 2012 - Joe Johnson TPE ----------> Kyle Korver 2012 - Marvin Williams ------------> Devin Harris 2013 - Joe Johnson --------------> DeShawn Stevenson 2016 - Jeff Teague ----------------> Taurean Prince 2017 - Howard + 2nd rd -----------> Marco Belinelli, Miles Plumlee, 2nd rd ( Tyler Dorsey ) 2018 - two 2nds -------------------> Jeremy Lin 2018 - Schröder, 1st --------------> Justin Anderson 2020 - Dedmon -------------------> Tony Snell 2020 - Turner, 1st, 2nd ------------> Clint Capela 2020 - 2nd rd + TPE --------------> Danilo Gallinari + cash 2021 - Bruno, Dunn, 2nd rd -------> Delon Wright 2021 - Rondo ---------------------> Lou Williams + two 2nds 2022 - Gallo + four 1sts -----------> Dejounte Murray 2023 - five 2nd rd picks ----------> Saddiq Bey 2023 - J-Hol, Kaminsky ----------> Bruno Fernando, Garrison Matthews There are some A+ trades in there in hindsight... Also major contributors to wins came from trades IMO. 2008 - AJ, Lue, Shelden, Wright ---> Mike Bibby 2009 - Speedy + Acie -------------> Jamal Crawford 2012 - Joe Johnson TPE ----------> Kyle Korver 2020 - Turner, 1st, 2nd ------------> Clint Capela 2021 - Rondo ---------------------> Lou Williams + two 2nds 2020 - 2nd rd + TPE --------------> Danilo Gallinari + cash 2021 - Bruno, Dunn, 2nd rd -------> Delon Wright 2022 - Gallo + four 1sts -----------> Dejounte Murray 2023 - five 2nd rd picks ----------> Saddiq Bey 2005 - Diaw + two 1sts ------------> Joe Johnson 2004 - Rasheed Wallace ----------> Bobby Sura + 1st ( Josh Smith ) 2002 - Kukoc + 1st ---------------> Glenn Robinson 1994 - Kevin Willis + 1st ---------> Grant Long, Steve Smith 1992 - Rumeal Robinson ---------> Mookie Blaylock Think about your top 20 Hawks players for the past few decades and compare that list. Edited July 4, 2023 by theheroatl 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, theheroatl said: There are some A+ trades in there in hindsight... Also major contributors to wins came from trades IMO Think about your top 20 Hawks players for the past few decades and compare that list. Very interesting. Edited July 4, 2023 by TheNorthCydeRises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 5 hours ago, theheroatl said: Think about your top 20 Hawks players for the past few decades and compare that list. Good idea! Leading scorers in a season in bold black All-Stars in bold red Top 20 Picks + draft night trades in top 20 1990 - Rumeal Robinson ( 10th ) 1991 - Stacey Augmon ( 9th ) 1991 - Blair Rasmussen ( acquired in trade ) 1992 - Adam Keefe ( 10th ) 1993 - Doug Edwards ( 15th ) 1995 - Alan Henderson ( 16th ) 1998 - Roshon McLeod ( 20th ) 1999 - Jason Terry ( 10th ) 1999 - Cal Bowdler ( 17th ) 1999 - Dion Glover ( 20th ) 2000 - Demarr Johnson ( 6th ) 2003 - Shareef Abdur-Rahim ( acquired in trade ) 2004 - Josh Childress ( 6th ) 2004 - Josh Smith ( 17th ) 2004 - Royal Ivey ( 37th ) 2005 - Marvin Williams ( 2nd ) 2006 - Shelden Williams ( 5th ) 2007 - Al Horford ( 3rd ) 2007 - Acie Law ( 11th ) 2009 - Jeff Teague ( 19th ) 2013 - Dennis Schröder ( 17th ) 2013 - Mike Muscala ( acquired in trade ) 2014 - Adreian Payne ( 15th ) - RIP 2015 - Tim Hardaway Jr ( acquired in trade ) 2017 - John Collins ( 19th ) 2018 - Trae Young ( acquired in trade ) 2018 - Kevin Huerter ( 18th ) 2019 - De'Andre Hunter ( acquired in trade ) 2019 - Cam Reddish ( 10th ) 2020 - Onyeka Okongwu ( 6th ) 2021 - Jalen Johnson ( 20th ) 2022 - AJ Griffin ( 16th ) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 Leading scorers in a season in bold black All-Stars in bold red Free agents signed via cap space that cracked rotation ( minimum 15 min/game and 40 games played ) 1990 - Sidney Moncrief 1991 - Snoop Graham 1993 - Craig Ehlo 1993 - Andrew Lang 1996 - Dikembe Mutombo 1996 - Henry James 1996 - Eldridge Recasner 1996 - Jon Barry 1997 - Chucky Brown 1999 - LaPhonzo Ellis 1999 - Anthony Johnson 2000 - Matt Maloney 2001 - Ira Newble 2001 - Jacque Vaughn ( again in 2003 ) 2002 - Dan Dickau 2003 - Stephen Jackson 2004 - Jason Collier ( RIP ) 2005 - Zaza Pachulia 2006 - Speedy Claxton 2008 - Flip Murray 2008 - Maurice Evans 2009 - Jason Collins 2011 - Willie Green 2011 - Ivan Johnson 2011 - Tracy McGrady 2011 - Vladimir Radmanovic 2011 - Jannero Pargo 2012 - Lou Williams 2013 - Anthony Tolliver 2013 - Shelvin Mack 2013 - Paul Millsap 2013 - DeMarre Carroll 2013 - Elton Brand 2013 - Pero Antic 2014 - Cartier Martin 2014 - Thabo Sefolosha 2014 - Kent Bazemore 2016 - Kris Humphries 2016 - Dwight Howard 2017 - Ersan Ilyasova 2017 - Malcolm Delaney 2017 - Dewayne Deadmon 2017 - Isaiah Taylor 2017 - Luke Babbitt 2018 - Alex Len 2018 - Vince Carter 2019 - Jabari Parker 2019 - Brandon Goodwin 2020 - Solomon Hill 2020 - Bogdan Bogdanovic 2020 - Rajon Rondo 2021 - Timothe Luwawu-Caborrot 2021 - Gorgui Dieng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 Leading scorers in a season in bold black All-Stars in bold red Players brought in via trades ( minimum 15 min/game & 40 games played ) 1991 - Tim McCormick -----------> Maurice Cheeks 1991 - Spud Webb ---------------> Travis Mays 1992 - Rumeal Robinson ---------> Mookie Blaylock 1994 - Dominique Wilkins --------> Danny Manning 1994 - Roy Hinson ---------------> Ken Norman 1994 - Adam Keefe --------------> Ty Corbin 1994 - Kevin Willis + 1st ---------> Grant Long, Steve Smith 1996 - Lang + Webb -------------> Christain Laettner 1999 - Smitty + Gray ------------->Jim Jackson, JR Rider 1999 - Mookie + 1st --------------> Bimbo Coles 1999 - two 1sts ------------------> Lorenzen Wright 2001 - Dikembe + McLeod -------> Toni Kukoc, Theo Ratliff, Nazr Mohammed 2001 - Jimmy J + AJ -------------> Brevin Knight 2002 - Kukoc + 1st ---------------> Glenn Robinson 2003 - Glenn Robinson -----------> Terrell Brandon ( never played with Hawks and retired via injury ) 2004 - Rasheed Wallace ----------> Bobby Sura + 1st ( Josh Smith ) 2004 - Stephen Jackson ----------> Al Harrington 2004 - Jon Barry ------------------> Ty Lue 2004 - 2nd Rd pick ----------------> Predrag Drobnak 2005 - Terry + Hendu + 1st --------> Antoine Walker, Tony Delk 2005 - Antoine Walker -------------> Tom Gugliotta + 1st 2005 - Diaw + two 1sts ------------> Joe Johnson 2007 - 2nd Rd pick ----------------> Anthony Johnson 2008 - AJ, Lue, Shelden, Wright ---> Mike Bibby 2009 - Speedy + Acie -------------> Jamal Crawford 2011 - Bibby, Craw, Evans, 1st -----> Kirk Hinrich 2012 - Joe Johnson TPE ----------> Kyle Korver 2012 - Marvin Williams ------------> Devin Harris 2013 - Joe Johnson --------------> DeShawn Stevenson 2016 - Jeff Teague ----------------> Taurean Prince 2017 - Howard + 2nd rd -----------> Marco Belinelli, Miles Plumlee, 2nd rd ( Tyler Dorsey ) 2018 - two 2nds -------------------> Jeremy Lin 2018 - Schröder, 1st --------------> Justin Anderson 2020 - Dedmon -------------------> Tony Snell 2020 - Turner, 1st, 2nd ------------> Clint Capela 2020 - 2nd rd + TPE --------------> Danilo Gallinari + cash 2021 - Bruno, Dunn, 2nd rd -------> Delon Wright 2021 - Rondo ---------------------> Lou Williams + two 2nds 2022 - Gallo + four 1sts -----------> Dejounte Murray 2023 - five 2nd rd picks ----------> Saddiq Bey 2023 - J-Hol, Kaminsky ----------> Bruno Fernando, Garrison Matthews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 The lack of high level talent that has been on this team throughout the years, is a testament as to why we've been so "average". We haven't been terrible. But we haven't been great either. Most who have followed this team for years know this. But when you see the list of names we've acquired over the years, it just hits different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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