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Well good. At least we now know officially that there are teams out there with a strong interest in Harrington. Now hopefully that interest will only strengthen and grow- so they'll *really* be willing and able to give us something good for him this summer when we SNT him. cool.gif

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There are people on here that probably think Al Harrington straight up for Michael Sweetney or Malik Allen is probably a good trade. It is a fact that the Hawks will get more value via a sign and trade this offseason.

Hey Hannity, what part of unrestricted can't you understand? We have no control of where Al goes. He can decide to go to LA for the MLE if he wants to. If Chi-town offers him 50 million dollars...guess what, he's gone. If we offer him 60 million dollars and he stays...guess what? We just pulled a Jon Koncak and we are stuck with his overpaid azz for the next 5 years. Basically Billy Knight blew it. We will win 25 games next year..fire Woodson and you and Diesel and Lascar will be on here talking about "Be patient...it has only been 36 months...he had to get rid of cap room for the 2007 offseason." And when none of those FA come here then you all will say. "It isn't BK's fault that no one wanted to come here." Complacent azz..They won't accept that bullsh*t up in NYC and we shouldn't down here, but our fanbase, and our newspaper are some apathetic pieces of sh*t.

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Yeah - lets be just like New York and actually lose more games than the Hawks while locking the team into overpriced losers. That would be awesome. Can you imagine how good it would feel to see the Hawks combining the natural blend of talents that is Marbury, Fracis, Richardson, and Crawford or the tough interior D and rebounding skills of Curry? That would be great. It would be even better if we could give our top 3 draft pick this year to another team like the Knicks are going to do with Chicago.

Too bad we are stuck with the youngest roster in the league and roster flexibility. Guys like Josh Smith and Marvin Williams are never going to get better or amount to anything.

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There are people on here that probably think Al Harrington straight up for Michael Sweetney or Malik Allen is probably a good trade. It is a fact that the Hawks will get more value via a sign and trade this offseason.

We'll see. I think you're wrong. I think we're gonna wind up with nothing or close to nothing. frown.gif

I wouldn't've taken the Chicago deal either unless Gordon or Duhon were included, but I still think we're in a terrible bargaining postion this year as far as Al is concerned. He'll use Chicago's cap room to up his price and either sign with them, or force us to either match his price, or accomadate a sign and trade that doesn't really help us.

I think the chance at gettig a young starter for Harrington has passed.

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Yeah - lets be just like New York and actually lose more games than the Hawks while locking the team into overpriced losers. That would be awesome. Can you imagine how good it would feel to see the Hawks combining the natural blend of talents that is Marbury, Fracis, Richardson, and Crawford or the tough interior D and rebounding skills of Curry? That would be great. It would be even better if we could give our top 3 draft pick this year to another team like the Knicks are going to do with Chicago.

Too bad we are stuck with the youngest roster in the league and roster flexibility. Guys like Josh Smith and Marvin Williams are never going to get better or amount to anything.

Salary cap space doesn't mean sh*t. No team has ever won a championship by clearing out a lot of cap space...that is the LA Clippers mentality, and after 30 years they finally got tired of it. Eventually you have to spend money and trade for veterans. We cant win with 10 22 year olds.

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If Al wants to leave, he will undoubtedly not resign with us this summer. I'm pretty sure that the front office has weighed this possibility into the decision that was ultimately made.

People seem so scared that we're gonna lose Al for nothing that they're willing to trade him for little to nothing or possibly even worse (bad contract). If the absolute worst scenario were to play out and Al leaves, we lose Al and we gain playing time at his starting slot. I can live with that.

If BK were to freak out at this thought and prematurely trade him rather than "just let him walk" there would have been even more threads by the offseason about how BK jumped the gun and should've gotten more value. Naturally there's no way to have pleased everyone on the forums no matter what went down yesterday, but I think the best move was made by standing pat. Again, it's entirely possible that Al walks but I don't think he'll leave money on the table.

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Yeah - lets be just like New York and actually lose more games than the Hawks while locking the team into overpriced losers. That would be awesome. Can you imagine how good it would feel to see the Hawks combining the natural blend of talents that is Marbury, Fracis, Richardson, and Crawford or the tough interior D and rebounding skills of Curry? That would be great. It would be even better if we could give our top 3 draft pick this year to another team like the Knicks are going to do with Chicago.

Too bad we are stuck with the youngest roster in the league and roster flexibility. Guys like Josh Smith and Marvin Williams are never going to get better or amount to anything.

Salary cap space doesn't mean sh*t. No team has ever won a championship by clearing out a lot of cap space...that is the LA Clippers mentality, and after 30 years they finally got tired of it. Eventually you have to spend money and trade for veterans. We cant win with 10 22 year olds.

This is the fact. Salary cap space isn't going to win you a championship. However, capping out your team with a bunch of shot chucking, no rebounding losers will keep you from being competitive for a LONG time. That is the reality the Knicks face. At least a team with flexibility can get better. For a team like the Knicks with no picks, bad roster management and long expensive contracts - they area out of contention for the next 3 years barring an absolute miracle.
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Yeah - lets be just like New York and actually lose more games than the Hawks while locking the team into overpriced losers. That would be awesome. Can you imagine how good it would feel to see the Hawks combining the natural blend of talents that is Marbury, Fracis, Richardson, and Crawford or the tough interior D and rebounding skills of Curry? That would be great. It would be even better if we could give our top 3 draft pick this year to another team like the Knicks are going to do with Chicago.

Too bad we are stuck with the youngest roster in the league and roster flexibility. Guys like Josh Smith and Marvin Williams are never going to get better or amount to anything.

Salary cap space doesn't mean sh*t. No team has ever won a championship by clearing out a lot of cap space...that is the LA Clippers mentality, and after 30 years they finally got tired of it. Eventually you have to spend money and trade for veterans. We cant win with 10 22 year olds.

This is the fact. Salary cap space isn't going to win you a championship. However, capping out your team with a bunch of shot chucking, no rebounding losers will keep you from being competitive for a LONG time. That is the reality the Knicks face. At least a team with flexibility can get better. For a team like the Knicks with no picks, bad roster management and long expensive contracts - they area out of contention for the next 3 years barring an absolute miracle.

That is because you don't understand what he is doing. He is stacking talented pieces because he knows in order to S&T you have to have something that other people want..STARS. Folks who sell tickets. Don't be surprised if he doesn't put a package together to get a Kevin Garnett or his caliber of player.
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Yeah - lets be just like New York and actually lose more games than the Hawks while locking the team into overpriced losers. That would be awesome. Can you imagine how good it would feel to see the Hawks combining the natural blend of talents that is Marbury, Fracis, Richardson, and Crawford or the tough interior D and rebounding skills of Curry? That would be great. It would be even better if we could give our top 3 draft pick this year to another team like the Knicks are going to do with Chicago.

Too bad we are stuck with the youngest roster in the league and roster flexibility. Guys like Josh Smith and Marvin Williams are never going to get better or amount to anything.

Salary cap space doesn't mean sh*t. No team has ever won a championship by clearing out a lot of cap space...that is the LA Clippers mentality, and after 30 years they finally got tired of it. Eventually you have to spend money and trade for veterans. We cant win with 10 22 year olds.

This is the fact. Salary cap space isn't going to win you a championship. However, capping out your team with a bunch of shot chucking, no rebounding losers will keep you from being competitive for a LONG time. That is the reality the Knicks face. At least a team with flexibility can get better. For a team like the Knicks with no picks, bad roster management and long expensive contracts - they area out of contention for the next 3 years barring an absolute miracle.

That is because you don't understand what he is doing. He is stacking talented pieces because he knows in order to S&T you have to have something that other people want..STARS. Folks who sell tickets. Don't be surprised if he doesn't put a package together to get a Kevin Garnett or his caliber of player.

The Knicks really have been having trouble selling tickets. Hopefully this will boost those sales about $40M worth. That will probably happen.

Also, I expect that since Orlando was able to trade Francis for almost nothing more than cap space that Isiah will be able to land KG for him. That makes sense.
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Yeah - lets be just like New York and actually lose more games than the Hawks while locking the team into overpriced losers. That would be awesome. Can you imagine how good it would feel to see the Hawks combining the natural blend of talents that is Marbury, Fracis, Richardson, and Crawford or the tough interior D and rebounding skills of Curry? That would be great. It would be even better if we could give our top 3 draft pick this year to another team like the Knicks are going to do with Chicago.

Too bad we are stuck with the youngest roster in the league and roster flexibility. Guys like Josh Smith and Marvin Williams are never going to get better or amount to anything.

Salary cap space doesn't mean sh*t. No team has ever won a championship by clearing out a lot of cap space...that is the LA Clippers mentality, and after 30 years they finally got tired of it. Eventually you have to spend money and trade for veterans. We cant win with 10 22 year olds.

This is the fact. Salary cap space isn't going to win you a championship. However, capping out your team with a bunch of shot chucking, no rebounding losers will keep you from being competitive for a LONG time. That is the reality the Knicks face. At least a team with flexibility can get better. For a team like the Knicks with no picks, bad roster management and long expensive contracts - they area out of contention for the next 3 years barring an absolute miracle.

That is because you don't understand what he is doing. He is stacking talented pieces because he knows in order to S&T you have to have something that other people want..STARS. Folks who sell tickets. Don't be surprised if he doesn't put a package together to get a Kevin Garnett or his caliber of player.

Even Isiah doesn't understand what he's doing and you think you do? I'll give you credit for bringing up a good point about trading stars for stars. I'll shoot down your point just as quickly. This isn't fantasy basketball. Salaries come into play and you'd be crazy to take on 3 or 4 large and longterm deals in exchange for KG.
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Yeah - lets be just like New York and actually lose more games than the Hawks while locking the team into overpriced losers. That would be awesome. Can you imagine how good it would feel to see the Hawks combining the natural blend of talents that is Marbury, Fracis, Richardson, and Crawford or the tough interior D and rebounding skills of Curry? That would be great. It would be even better if we could give our top 3 draft pick this year to another team like the Knicks are going to do with Chicago.

Too bad we are stuck with the youngest roster in the league and roster flexibility. Guys like Josh Smith and Marvin Williams are never going to get better or amount to anything.

All I know his starting PG is Steve Francis and ours is Royal Ivey. Now when I am approaching Minn about trading for Garnett, Zeke can say..hey how about Garnett for Stephon Marbury and Q and one of the 2 first rounders I have. Minn says..."Well we will think about it" We go to Minn and say hey..how about a S&T Al Harrington for Garnett. Minn GM will need his funnybone removed from laughing so hard.

Salary cap space doesn't mean sh*t. No team has ever won a championship by clearing out a lot of cap space...that is the LA Clippers mentality, and after 30 years they finally got tired of it. Eventually you have to spend money and trade for veterans. We cant win with 10 22 year olds.

This is the fact. Salary cap space isn't going to win you a championship. However, capping out your team with a bunch of shot chucking, no rebounding losers will keep you from being competitive for a LONG time. That is the reality the Knicks face. At least a team with flexibility can get better. For a team like the Knicks with no picks, bad roster management and long expensive contracts - they area out of contention for the next 3 years barring an absolute miracle.

That is because you don't understand what he is doing. He is stacking talented pieces because he knows in order to S&T you have to have something that other people want..STARS. Folks who sell tickets. Don't be surprised if he doesn't put a package together to get a Kevin Garnett or his caliber of player.

Even Isiah doesn't understand what he's doing and you think you do? I'll give you credit for bringing up a good point about trading stars for stars. I'll shoot down your point just as quickly. This isn't fantasy basketball. Salaries come into play and you'd be crazy to take on 3 or 4 large and longterm deals in exchange for KG.

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If Sweetney is worth a damn, why is CHI trying to trade Al for him in the first place?

I applaund BK for not getting impatient and trading Al for nothing. He was able to get Al in the first place by sign and trading Jax a couple of seasons ago when Jax was unrestricted. No reason he shouldn't be able to make a similar move with Al this offseason.

As for NY, you are joking right? They have a coach who is widely considered to be the best in the business, the league's highest payroll BY FAR and they have the league's worst record. How is that an example of how we want to be?

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If Sweetney is worth a damn, why is CHI trying to trade Al for him in the first place?

I applaund BK for not getting impatient and trading Al for nothing. He was able to get Al in the first place by sign and trading Jax a couple of seasons ago when Jax was unrestricted. No reason he shouldn't be able to make a similar move with Al this offseason.

As for NY, you are joking right? They have a coach who is widely considered to be the best in the business, the league's highest payroll BY FAR and they have the league's worst record. How is that an example of how we want to be?

I don't want us to be like that Knicks, however I am not going to hate on a GM that gambled on a roster and lost and is now trying his best to rectify the situation. I blame Larry brown more for failing to make that roster work.

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How can anyone defend Isaiah? He didn't gamble and lose once, he loses every time and never learns his lesson. Look at the list of players he's brought in, look at their salaries, look at their attitudes and reputations, look at their lack of defense, passing ability, or team play:

Stephon Marbury

Steve Francis

Jamal Crawford

Quentin Richardson

Jalen Rose

Jerome James

Eddy Curry

It's amazing really, how similarly overpaid and overrated all those players are...and when you assemble them all on one roster you actually get a record worse than the Hawks.

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