Walter..How many Hawks games did you watch in2003?

[Diesel]

And a Good PG would know how to feed the post and how to reguate the number of shots that Grob gets. He would know how to get players the ball in the flow of the game.

Right now, those statistics mean very little when talking about a different PG. The truth is that no one here knows how good Grob or SAR would be if they had a better PG (who knew how to run an offense playing). All we can really do is speculate.

History shows that Big Dog played much better with Cassell.

History shows that our team played well during the stint that Mike Wilks played Significant time.

[Guest]

You ever think that the fact that JT "struggles" in this department is that he is without another ball handler on the floor making GRob really his only other option to pass to on the perimeter (can't pass to Ira...Glover helped some later on)? Teams have no problem with GRob getting the ball, thus they allow it. They know that if they pressure JT and block the lanes to Reef, then it's going to be GRob with the ball more times than not since he's the only other one that can even somewhat get his own shot?

The solution to that is ball movement and player away from the ball movement...something that GRob won't and can't do (wont' pass/not fast enough or doesn't care enough to move without the ball as he believes it doesn't matter, cause he can get his shot off on anyone)? Ira's not good enough of a ball handler to set much flow by himself, so he tries to move without the ball. Again, we're stuck in a situation where our personnell magnify the problems that exist by their styles of play not fitting in with those around them...

[Diesel]

Isiah had Dumars... Not Really a Ball handling 2.

Magic had Scott.... Good Shooter, but not really a ball handler.

Doc Rivers had John Battle. Come on. Doc Average 10 assists per game with John Battle. NOt really a ball handler.

I don't buy into the fact that any PG that comes in will need Jon Barry or Penny Hardaway in order to be successful. That's the JT Crutch theory.

As far as defenses playing the hawks. We have NO movement in our offense. Where are the cutters. Where is the gaurd movement with the ball and the other players moving without the ball. With a stagnant offense, most teams can easily double and force the ball to go where they want it to.

[KB21]

Wrong.

Dumars and Scott both handled the ball well. There were many times that Dumars brought the ball up the court while Thomas looked to get himself into scoring position. I guess that means Isiah wasn't a true point guard.

The year Doc had 10 assists per game, Randy Wittman was the starting shooting guard, and he was a good ball handler who averaged about 4 assists himself.

It's tought to get much of an offensive flow with a sucking vortex like Glenn Robinson on the floor. When the ball goes in, it doesn't come out.

[Diesel]

Scott was a standstill jumpshooter who rarely put the ball on the floor.

Dumars was similar to Glover. He could dribble 2 steps but mainly, he shot the ball or passed.

Finally Whitman and Battle were two of the sorriest Ballhandlers ever. For you to even suggest that Whitman could handle the ball is a JOKE. Did you ever watch the Hawks back then. Whitman's 3.0 assist that year was due to Fratello's grand play. When you get the ball, pass it to Nique.

Next, you'll be trying to tell me that Scott Hastings was a great 3 pt shooter.

[kelston827]

Talk about remaking history.

Dumars was similar to Glover?? I hope you're not serious. Their games have little to no similarities at all.

First, Dumars WAS a good ballhandler, Dion is not. Dumars was a smart player, Dion is not. Dumars had a steady jumper, Dion does not. Dion, most times, relies solely on athleticism, Dumars had little athleticism (comparatively). Dumars was a leader, Dion is not. Dumars could create for his teammates, Dion can not.

Come on D.

Comparing Dumars to Dion in any respect is a stretch even for you.

[Diesel]

Read carefully...

I said Dumars was like Dion in that he can dribble 2 times and pass or Shoot.

Dion doesn't have the game of Dumars.

He's more like vinny Johnson with less of an outside shot.

[kelston827]

That's wrong too.

Dumars was a very good ballhandler, 10X better than Dion.

I see absolutely no similarities in their games.

The comparison to Vinny is much closer.