WOODY DOES IT AGAIN

[PureGreatness]

as usual he gives the ball to joe and..he gives it some more to joe. then he takes smith out(the one who was bringing us back) and puts in horford and of course..gave it to joe.

Whwn he gives it to joe at the clutch what that is saying to smith, marvin, chilzz etc is that i dont trust you guys im going to give it to joe. i know what yall are saying " chillz took a three and missed it" but do yall think woodson called that HELL NAW he was as usual...give it joe.

TRUST OTHER FOLKS WOODY

[mrhonline]

The iso's are getting old, but in Joe's defense, no one else is capable of consistently creating their own shot.

[HawkNJersey]

Smoove was outta da game on that infamous possesion, correct?

[PureGreatness]

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The iso's are getting old, but in Joe's defense, no one else is capable of consistently creating their own shot.

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how do you know? woody nevers calls anything for anybody else in the clutch he just says....give it to joe. hell, you dont have to do ISO's. you can actaully call a play and let smith, marvin hell even chillz to take the shot.

[PureGreatness]

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Smoove was outta da game on that infamous possesion, correct?

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yep. why you ask? i have no idea

[mrhonline]

How do I know?

Because I watch these players every game.

Smith, Marvin, and Childress are all secondary options.

Joe Johnson is the Hawks ONLY player who can consistently created his own shot.

I have no problem with him taking the shot. What the Hawks need to do a better job of is getting Joe a clean look.

[Atlantaholic]

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The iso's are getting old, but in Joe's defense, no one else is capable of consistently creating their own shot.

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Marvin had his couple of cracks at it also. Result? = Fail

[HawkNJersey]

How do you think that sits with him? The only reason we had a chance at the end. Who is not in any foul trouble.

[Cwell]

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How do I know?

Because I watch these players every game.

Smith, Marvin, and Childress are all secondary options.

Joe Johnson is the Hawks ONLY player who can consistently created his own shot.

I have no problem with him taking the shot. What the Hawks need to do a better job of is getting Joe a clean look.

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the only one that PLAYS that can create his own shot while our best PG rides the bench for nothing.Not for bad play that's for sure.

[PureGreatness]

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How do I know?

Because I watch these players every game.

Smith, Marvin, and Childress are all secondary options.

Joe Johnson is the Hawks ONLY player who can consistently created his own shot.

I have no problem with him taking the shot. What the Hawks need to do a better job of is getting Joe a clean look.

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you dont have to be a first option to take the shot. ask outlaw, ask hedo, ask ray allen, ask barbosa.

i know what your gonna say "everybody you named are good shooters" so what? draw something to the basket. what i am saying is is that everyone watching the game knew we was going to and we you do it then you playing in the hands of the opposing teams. DRAW A PHUCKING ACTUAL PLAY WOODY..DAMN

[Atlantaholic]

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How do I know?

Because I watch these players every game.

Smith, Marvin, and Childress are all secondary options.

Joe Johnson is the Hawks ONLY player who can consistently created his own shot.

I have no problem with him taking the shot. What the Hawks need to do a better job of is getting Joe a clean look.

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you dont have to be a first option to take the shot. ask outlaw, ask hedo, ask ray allen, ask barbosa.

i know what your gonna say "everybody you named are good shooters" so what? draw something to the basket. what i am saying is is that everyone watching the game knew we was going to and we you do it then you playing in the hands of the opposing teams. DRAW A PHUCKING ACTUAL PLAY WOODY..DAMN

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In the last two games, 6 of our 8 offensive plays after a time out resulted in a turnover... obviously NON resulted in a made basket.

[PureGreatness]

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How do I know?

Because I watch these players every game.

Smith, Marvin, and Childress are all secondary options.

Joe Johnson is the Hawks ONLY player who can consistently created his own shot.

I have no problem with him taking the shot. What the Hawks need to do a better job of is getting Joe a clean look.

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you dont have to be a first option to take the shot. ask outlaw, ask hedo, ask ray allen, ask barbosa.

i know what your gonna say "everybody you named are good shooters" so what? draw something to the basket. what i am saying is is that everyone watching the game knew we was going to and we you do it then you playing in the hands of the opposing teams. DRAW A PHUCKING ACTUAL PLAY WOODY..DAMN

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In the last two games, 6 of our 8 offensive plays after a time out resulted in a turnover... obviously NON resulted in a made basket.

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where was the shot clock and who had the ball? i bet you it was lue or joe

[AHF]

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How do I know?

Because I watch these players every game.

Smith, Marvin, and Childress are all secondary options.

Joe Johnson is the Hawks ONLY player who can consistently created his own shot.

I have no problem with him taking the shot. What the Hawks need to do a better job of is getting Joe a clean look.

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you dont have to be a first option to take the shot. ask outlaw, ask hedo, ask ray allen, ask barbosa.

i know what your gonna say "everybody you named are good shooters" so what? draw something to the basket. what i am saying is is that everyone watching the game knew we was going to and we you do it then you playing in the hands of the opposing teams. DRAW A PHUCKING ACTUAL PLAY WOODY..DAMN

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I don't think mrHonline will disagree with this at all. When we move the ball and create better opportunities for our guys we are much better than when the ball stops moving and we go to the freaking isolation play (or to a stagnant halfcourt offense). The lack of an offensive system in Atlanta is very old right now.

Woody may be a defensive specialist but I hope he can see that if he was setting up a defense to stop the Hawks down the stretch he would want to force them into the same iso game that he chooses as a matter of preference down the stretch.

[mrhonline]

I completely agree AHF.

The Hawks stop the ball too often, whether it's Lue pounding it 30 feet from the goal, JJ forcing it into a triple-team, or Marvin falling forward into the paint.

A lineup of AJ-JJ-Marvin-Smith-Horford in the final minute is what I'd go with. Slide guys to and from the basket, and keep moving the ball around the perimeter until something pops open. It almost needs to be spontaneous to keep the defense off-guard. All five of those players can hit the mid-range shot, and all of them are average or better passers.

Play to your strength, not your weakness. Forcing Joe into the paint might work on occasion, but it's too patterned to be effective most nights.

Personally, I've always like the Kings' movement without the ball, and I think the Hawks should mimic it.

[Southern_Bred]

I just hate watching the hawks with Lue. He takes the fast breaks out the game. As Lue's mins have increased the fast breaks have gone down because he cant pass well and cant finish. I rather see Law push the ball and miss then watch Lue dribble forever.

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I just hate watching the hawks with Lue. He takes the fast breaks out the game. As Lue's mins have increased the fast breaks have gone down because he cant pass well and cant finish. I rather see Law push the ball and miss then watch Lue dribble forever.

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It isn't a coincidence the Hawks are 12-18 with Lue in the lineup and 9-7 without him.

[Atlantaholic]

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I just hate watching the hawks with Lue. He takes the fast breaks out the game. As Lue's mins have increased the fast breaks have gone down because he cant pass well and cant finish. I rather see Law push the ball and miss then watch Lue dribble forever.

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It isn't a coincidence the Hawks are 12-18 with Lue in the lineup and 9-7 without him.

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It sure doesn't seem like a coincidence to anyone who watches the game.

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How do I know?

Because I watch these players every game.

Smith, Marvin, and Childress are all secondary options.

Joe Johnson is the Hawks ONLY player who can consistently created his own shot.

I have no problem with him taking the shot. What the Hawks need to do a better job of is getting Joe a clean look.

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you dont have to be a first option to take the shot. ask outlaw, ask hedo, ask ray allen, ask barbosa.

i know what your gonna say "everybody you named are good shooters" so what? draw something to the basket. what i am saying is is that everyone watching the game knew we was going to and we you do it then you playing in the hands of the opposing teams. DRAW A PHUCKING ACTUAL PLAY WOODY..DAMN

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I don't think mrHonline will disagree with this at all. When we move the ball and create better opportunities for our guys we are much better than when the ball stops moving and we go to the freaking isolation play (or to a stagnant halfcourt offense). The lack of an offensive system in Atlanta is very old right now.

Woody may be a defensive specialist but I hope he can see that if he was setting up a defense to stop the Hawks down the stretch he would want to force them into the same iso game that he chooses as a matter of preference down the stretch.

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I've been thinking if he was so much of a defensive specialist,why does he play Lue and Zaza so much?those 2 are easily one of the worst defenders at their respective positions in the entire league.and both suck on offense too.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

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You mean in Woody's defense, since he's the one giving it to JJ in those situations . . but you're right, no one else can create their own shot. Snow did a great job in defending JJ last night.

[Lascar78]

I agree. More of the same Woody problems:

-1 minute of play for Acie Law. Let's keep killing his confidence and holding him back.

- Nothing but iso plays down the stretch. Yes Joe is our only iso player (marvin can but isn't as good), but we shouldn't be running iso's exclusively.

- Poor defensive strategy from a defensive specialist. The guys seem to be deciding when to double and when to switch on the fly, or with poor reasoning. Especially down the stretch, no matter what your doubling / switching strategy is, one caveat HAS TO BE that whoever has Damon Jones can't leave him open behind the line. Not to mention that playing Lue and Zaza over our options makes no sense defensively.

It's just the same story over and over with Woody. No offensive system. No in-game adjustments on offense or defense. Horrible substitutions. Doesn't care about completely giving up on players and wrecking their confidence.

Our roster certainly has a number of issues, and the players themselves screw up a good bit, but Woody is consistently very bad. He keeps the players pretty motivated and he has them putting out effort on D, but we typically win in spite of him, not thanks to him.